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Old 12-08-2010, 05:07 PM   #561
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Carlos Pena agrees to a deal with the Cubs. 1-year, $10 mil.

Matt Diaz ends up with the Pirates with a 2-year deal.
A bit surprised Pena signed this quickly considering there were a few teams bidding on him. If he waited until after Crawford or Lee signed, he could have potentially gained more money (and years if he wanted both).
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Old 12-08-2010, 05:48 PM   #562
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Man, its wasnt but a few years back that Jeff Francoeur looked like the best rookie to hit MLB since Pujols
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Rays trade Jason Bartlett to the Padres for Adam Russell and Cesar Ramos.

Braves sign George Sherrill. 1-year, $1.2 mil.
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A bit surprised Pena signed this quickly considering there were a few teams bidding on him. If he waited until after Crawford or Lee signed, he could have potentially gained more money (and years if he wanted both).
Pena had such a bad year last season that he had to sign with someone quick on a o e year deal, improve next season, and cash in next December.
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Os first base situation is down to Derrek Lee or Adam Laroche which sucks.
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Old 12-08-2010, 09:25 PM   #566
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In that case, why don't they just put Reynolds or Scott at first and give Josh Bell one last chance?
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Yeah...Luke "Obama wasn't born here" Scott by the way..forgot to somehow work that into a post.

Cant wait to see how that pans out.

I think they gave up on Josh Bell. They lost Wigginton so they've got to make some sort of move. Scott isn't an everyday 1B.
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I can't see them already giving up on one of their top prospects after half a season.
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Jesus. Yanks are probably gonna answer this by upping their offer for Lee. Crawford was their fallback option.

If they don't get Lee - I can see them looking into Greinke. But if not they may just stick with their guns, coax Pettitte to come back, and back the truck up for Fielder or *gulp* Pujols next year.
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Glad the Yankees didn't get him. Just don't think he's a $20M player. A lot of money for a leadoff hitter with a career .336 OBP.

Not hating on the Red Sox or anything, he's obviously a great player and makes their team better. Just that the contract might start looking bad when he loses some speed. That lineup should be absolutely ridiculous.

Once they announce that Gonzalez extension thats a $300M offseason though. So hopefully I can stop hearing Sox fans try to explain to me that they are nothing like the Yankees.

This definitely doesn't help the Yankees in getting Lee either. Angels lose their main target in Crawford so I'm guessing are going harder after Lee now.
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Angels lose out on their Plan A every offseason. Teixeira, Lackey, Crawford.
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Apparently the Red Sox were one of the mystery teams offering Lee 7 years.

Offered him 7 years at a much reduced price to up the bidding for him.
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Rule 5 draft tomorrow. Usually always brings some interesting results.

Mets RHP Elvin Rodriguez is expected to be taken, possibly with the first pick. He's been clocked as high as 98 MPH but his control is horseshit so he wasn't selected to be one of the four players to protect on the 40-man roster last month.

Definitely think the Mets will grab a bullpen arm or two. No risk in doing so. Given how empty the pen currently is it's not a stretch to say that the Mets could carry a Rule 5 draftee on the roster all year.
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Glad the Yankees didn't get him. Just don't think he's a $20M player. A lot of money for a leadoff hitter with a career .336 OBP.

Not hating on the Red Sox or anything, he's obviously a great player and makes their team better. Just that the contract might start looking bad when he loses some speed. That lineup should be absolutely ridiculous.

Once they announce that Gonzalez extension thats a $300M offseason though. So hopefully I can stop hearing Sox fans try to explain to me that they are nothing like the Yankees.

This definitely doesn't help the Yankees in getting Lee either. Angels lose their main target in Crawford so I'm guessing are going harder after Lee now.

Yea because one re-building offseason is the same as every offseason. And they're also in the same division.
Signing Crawford and/or Lee is just as much a defensive move as it is a talent decision.
The Red Sox are looking to replace a lot of key players leaving. Manny has been gone 2 years now, and Ortiz doesn't have much time left.
And the Drew contract is finally expiring. They needed a power hitter and a new outfielder. I don't think Gonzalez and Crawford are as much additions as they are the cornerstones of the next 10 years of Red Sox baseball. They're both in long contracts and fill crucial roles.
Plus Youk and Pedroia aren't going anywhere. It's a pretty exciting lineup.

I'm curious to see where their budget falls in 2011, and then in 2012. I bet it will still be beneath the Mets and Phillies.

The Yankees are obviously going to go all-in for Lee now
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I would really love to see the Yanks get screwed on Lee and end up with nobody. Being a diesel hater (sorry Fake and Inno, much love)
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Its possible they could since ESPN is saying the offer from the Yankees is 6 years at close to $140 million ($23.33 million per year) which would put him as less than CC Sabathia in cash value and about 2.5 million more than Santana on the Mets.

Problem is Lee and his agent wants $25 million a year and 7 years or at least the $150-175 million range. Angels and Red Sox were revealed to be the mystery teams offering the 7th year and the Rangers will get a decision in 2 days if they are still in the hunt (their offer is similar to Yankees).

If the Yankees lose out on Lee, Royals want players, prospects, and maybe cash just for any deal on Greinke.
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The Red Sox are in on Greinke too. I'm not sure given Gonzalez and Crawford that they'd still go and land Lee or Greinke, but it would obviously please me.
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Jesus. Yanks are probably gonna answer this by upping their offer for Lee. Crawford was their fallback option.

If they don't get Lee - I can see them looking into Greinke. But if not they may just stick with their guns, coax Pettitte to come back, and back the truck up for Fielder or *gulp* Pujols next year.
I hope not Greinke. The guy is a really great pitcher. But with New York being a huge market team and the fans expect the best from you other wise they will let you know it. With all the reporters and Tabloids and what not. I really don't think that's the best place for someone with depression/major stress issues. He'd be better off in Toronto or Baltimore or a small market team like that.

And truth be told about Crawford we all ready have Gardner he has been doing real well and is younger then him.

I think I might prefer Fielder to Pujols. Why do I think if the Yankees signed Pujols some rumor that he's on steroids or something might "Accidently" get leaked out?
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Mmmmmmm. The Empire is on red alert right now.

Glad we didn't get Crawford. Not so much him going to Beantown. But then again, he was plan b if they couldn't get Werth.

Today should be interesting.
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I think what I love most about getting Crawford and Gonzalez is the hidden value that comes from their defense. They're both excellent in the field. Who'd have thought letting Beltre go could actually be a defensive upgrade? But it is.

Here's an interesting question Sawks fans: Carl Crawford is a wizard in left field. Ellsbury was phenomenal in 2008 but was terrible in 2009 (based on dWAR, not fielding %). Do you entertain a switch in position and try Crawford in center?
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Crawford doesn't have the arm for center. He's said himself that he doesn't like playing there.

BTW, so mint on this offseason so far.
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Once they announce that Gonzalez extension thats a $300M offseason though. So hopefully I can stop hearing Sox fans try to explain to me that they are nothing like the Yankees.

Still about $200 million less than what the Yankees spent in 2008.
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Mmmmmmm. The Empire is on red alert right now.

Glad we didn't get Crawford. Not so much him going to Beantown. But then again, he was plan b if they couldn't get Werth.

Today should be interesting.
The Yankees are in a very tight situation right now. They better get Lee by any means necessary.
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The Yankees have gone to 7 years on Lee. Can't see any way he turns that down. Knew the Yanks would get their Plan A guy. They always do.

Sox and Yanks could have some laughably bad contracts on their hands in a few years though. They make money hand over fist though so it really won't matter.
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The fuck? This Rule 5 draft goes ridiculously fast. I leave for 10 minutes and find the Mets already made 2 picks - 2B Brad Emaus from the Blue Jays and RHP Pedro Beato from the Orioles
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Oh, no wonder it went by fast - most teams skipped.

PIT: Josh Rodriguez, SS, Columbus (CLE)
SEA: Jose Flores, RHP, Columbus (CLE)
ARI: Joe Paterson, LHP, Fresno (SF)
BAL: Adrian Rosario, RHP, Nashville (MIL)
KC: Nathan Adcock, RHP, Indianapolis (PIT)
WAS: Elvin Ramirez, RHP, Buffalo (NYM)
CLE: No pick
CHC: Mason Tobin, RHP, Salt Lake (LAA)
HOU: Aneury Rodriguez, RHP, Durham (TB)
MIL: Patrick Egan, RHP, Norfolk (BAL)
NYM: Bradley Emaus, 2B, Las Vegas (TOR)
FLA: Pass
LAD: Pass
LAA: No pick
OAK: Pass
DET: No pick
COL: Pass
TOR: Pass
STL: Pass
CWS: Pass
BOS: Pass
SD: George Kontos, RHP, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (NYY)
TEX: Pass
CIN: Pass
ATL: Pass
SF: Pass
MIN: Scott Diamond, LHP, Gwinnett (ATL)
NYY: Robert Fish, LHP, Salt Lake (LAA)
TB: Cesar Cabral, LHP, Pawtucket (BOS)
PHI: Michael Martinez, IF, Syracuse (WAS)
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Fuck that was a whammy. I don't see Crawford being able to compete at the level he's at at the end of the contract, but it's gonna be hell for the first couple years. The Monster should serve him well.

Pettite is pushing for the Yanks to get Lee.
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Fuck that was a whammy. I don't see Crawford being able to compete at the level he's at at the end of the contract, but it's gonna be hell for the first couple years. The Monster should serve him well.

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Am I the only one who is more scared of A-Gon on the Red Sox then Crawford?
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....meanwhile the WSOX resigned Konerko for 3 years.
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I do not like this off season.
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Legend85, do you feel the Phillies aren't completely confident in Domonic Brown yet?
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Yes I do. This leaving winterball because he was tired isn't good to hear.
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Yeah and they need to act fast or else they will be shit out of luck on adequate right handed hitting outfielders.
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