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Old 01-02-2011, 09:00 AM   #161
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Whoring your title to promote a movie and an upset win by a legendary wrestler are not the same thing. If that's your best argument, you need to shut the fuck up.
My argument is that there is no reason to give King the title. they should focus on on actually building a strong program with it instead of using it as a thank you gift for their announcer.
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:03 AM   #162
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Ok, but he is like 20 years younger than Lawler.

And still like 20 years older than your average "new" guy.
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:05 AM   #163
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If WWE HAD to put the title on a "has been" I'd rather they put it on The Million Dollar Man.
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Old 01-02-2011, 10:15 AM   #164
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If WWE HAD to put the title on a "has been" I'd rather they put it on The Million Dollar Man.
that would be okay but if they weren't overdoing the whole idea of bret not being able to compete like he used to, the hitman could be a champion

seriously even though he had a stroke that doesn't mean he still can't make a good match.

also king should have a title run for he deserves it, i say give it to him for a month or so and really build him as a credible champion. not sure if anyone agrees with me on this but that's fine with me(just an opinion)
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Old 01-02-2011, 10:20 AM   #165
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seriously even though he had a stroke that doesn't mean he still can't make a good match.
Yes it does. The man can't bump, he can barely move and he can't really lift his opponents much. This leaves us with a match consisting of weak looking punches.
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Yes it does. The man can't bump, he can barely move and he can't really lift his opponents much. This leaves us with a match consisting of weak looking punches.
well that's your opinion, but whenever he competed a live events this past year he really preformed well

he's used
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you have to adimt he still can compete even if he can't bump
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Giving the title to Bret Hart would make it look weaker than giving it to Lawler would.

Somebody getting beaten up by a man who's had a stroke and can barely move. Great idea there Beth Phoenix Fan. You're a real bright spark.
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My argument is that there is no reason to give King the title. they should focus on on actually building a strong program with it instead of using it as a thank you gift for their announcer.
But this is both of those things. So what's the problem?
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:04 AM   #169
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I always forget that Lawler is older than JR.
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Let me preface this post by saying that I have never been a fan of Jerry Lawler in the ring. I don't think I've enjoyed a single one of his feuds. The guy is so fucking old school, which is fine if you're an old school fan, but he's just not relevant today. He's a Legend, like JR and Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan and Sgt. Slaughter and Jesse Ventura - but Legends shouldn't be the WWE Champion when there is fresh young talent that deserves it more.
I personally hold The King responsible for destroying Tazz's push back in 2001. Their feud was God awful. Every feud he's in, to me, is utterly stupid. This old announcer who cracks TERRIBLE JOKES all night long every Monday night and PPV's, who is far past his prime both in the ring and at the table, seems to think that when he gets into it with a superstar that he sets the world on fire. It's just not the case for me.

Now you have The Miz as the WWE Champion. No one has come up in the WWE from a lower position and at the incredible speed that The Miz has in a very, very long time. He really is the big thing in the WWE right now, no question about it.

While on the one hand I can see how it would be effective to take your top heel on that roller coaster ride of losing the WWE Title to a lesser competitor, only to win it back in cheating fashion one night later, I also feel that it's unneccesary at this stage in Miz' career and title run.

WrestleMania is in 3 months. They should be focusing on that - not on some birthday present title win for The King. If Miz is going to carry the WWE Title into WrestleMania, they need to keep booking him strongly and they need to keep the belt on him. This little speed bump with The King would be a downshift in gears - they need to keep him hot and keep him strong. If he's losing the title before WM, then they should focus on that instead - this title loss to King would only hurt him.

I understand the logic behind the idea, but I don't agree with it for right now. The Road to WrestleMania is not the time, and The King certainly is not the guy. If they really want to make King the champion AND give him his WrestleMania moment, put him in Money in the Bank at WM27, let him win it (the other 7 guys get knocked out in some gigantic spot and then a bloody King climbs the ladder slowly and pulls down the briefcase). Have him gloat about his MITB contract on RAW every week, have the heel champion talk about how King is GUARANTEED to be the only MITB winner to fail to cash in, and then when the time is right, he cashes in and wins the belt (they could even do it in Memphis, for Christ's sake). Then he either strips himself of the belt and they have a tournament, OR he loses it back to the heel. But do it around Summerslam. Not WrestleMania.
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:02 PM   #171
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That's because Lawler uses Botox and JR doesn't.
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But this is both of those things. So what's the problem?
The problem is he's trying to frame the argument as though the two are mutually exclusive.
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:18 PM   #173
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Realistically the match will end when Morrison or Orton hits a finishing move on King and Alex Riley interferes allowing Miz to sneak the pinfall.
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:30 PM   #174
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If WWE HAD to put the title on a "has been" I'd rather they put it on The Million Dollar Man.
You mean the guy that hasn't wrestled since 1994 due to a back injury?
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:34 PM   #175
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AS with all things, if it's done right, fine. But it's fucking WWE. they had 2 weeks worth of good writing in start of December, hopefully it won't fuck up if they do.

For sure not at mania tho. I'd like to see HHH vs Orton or something. A massive match. HHH is well known and always gets a reaction and Orton is hot and always gets a reaction. The guys could really really work out an awesome run up program. matches here and there, loads of backstage stuff, rants (as usual) but stop the matches 3 weeks before for whatever reasons so when they do go at it. make it matter.
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:54 PM   #176
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Jerry Lawler as champion would be an embrassment and a joke. He is washed up comentator who isnt any good anymore and was only good in the attitude era and his gimmick is dumb even today. He is out of shape he cant put on even half of a good match and his character is a joke.

Putting the WWE title on him is like taking a dump on the title and then vomiting on it. WWE will make The Miz and anyone involved with Lawler look like a joke if Lawler becomes champion and WWE will look like TNA if they have an over the hill wrestler like Lawler as champion.
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AS with all things, if it's done right, fine. But it's fucking WWE. they had 2 weeks worth of good writing in start of December, hopefully it won't fuck up if they do.

For sure not at mania tho. I'd like to see HHH vs Orton or something. A massive match. HHH is well known and always gets a reaction and Orton is hot and always gets a reaction. The guys could really really work out an awesome run up program. matches here and there, loads of backstage stuff, rants (as usual) but stop the matches 3 weeks before for whatever reasons so when they do go at it. make it matter.
I'm sure you are aware that these two already fought each other at WrestleMania 25 and that it really wasn't that good, like, at all. In fact they've fought numerous numerous times on PPV and have never exactly "torn down the house." I'm just not sure why you would consider Orton vs. Triple H a "massive match" worthy of yet another WM main event. They're not exactly Rock/Austin.
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this is a retarded idea, right on up there with david arquette WCW champion.

thankfully, like most of internet rumors this will not materialize into anything.
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I'm sure you are aware that these two already fought each other at WrestleMania 25 and that it really wasn't that good, like, at all. In fact they've fought numerous numerous times on PPV and have never exactly "torn down the house." I'm just not sure why you would consider Orton vs. Triple H a "massive match" worthy of yet another WM main event. They're not exactly Rock/Austin.
Most of the big guys dont tear the house down anyway, without the exception of Taker at Mania. these guys could do the RAW thing well (I dare say Taker will be taking the mantle of main SD match). The build up. I also think Orton has come on leaps and bounds and the freshness of HHH returning would be refreshing for now.

Depends how it pens out, but I don't want no John Cena - Orton match for sure. If Miz is involved, great. But I really see a 4-way for the title @ Mania with HHH, Miz, Orton, Cena. Unless I'm missing someone out who could jump over Miz in there.
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Depends how they are going with Miz's run btw. It could just be he disappears knowing WWE.
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I honestly feel some of guys think hell will freeze over if Lawler wins the title. The average fan will get a kick out of it, the long time viewers will probably mark out like bitches, and the internet fans will have to suck it up. It could actually pull some more old viewers back if they hear the news.

So yeah, IF it happens, it will only be short term. WWE won't fall apart because of it.
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You can see the level of intelligence in the grammar, differentiating the opinions. There are a handful of smart posters and smart reasons that go for the negative. However, this would be something incredibly memorable and only aide the Miz. The Miz is a pussy champ anyway, he can lose every single match and still be over, he's not a "dangerous" man like Randy Orton.
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That's because Lawler uses Botox and JR doesn't.
What!? of course he does! Half of his face is paralyzed.
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What!? of course he does! Half of his face is paralyzed.
I was waiting for someone to say this.
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Most of the big guys dont tear the house down anyway, without the exception of Taker at Mania. these guys could do the RAW thing well (I dare say Taker will be taking the mantle of main SD match). The build up. I also think Orton has come on leaps and bounds and the freshness of HHH returning would be refreshing for now.

Depends how it pens out, but I don't want no John Cena - Orton match for sure. If Miz is involved, great. But I really see a 4-way for the title @ Mania with HHH, Miz, Orton, Cena. Unless I'm missing someone out who could jump over Miz in there.
WWE had a great run of main events for awhile.

WM XIV: Austin vs. HBK
WM XV: Austin vs. Rock
WM XVI: Rock vs. Triple H vs. Foley vs. Big Show
WM XVII: Austin vs. Rock II
WM XIX: Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle
WM XX: Benoit vs. Triple H vs. HBK

Honestly, I feel like that's where it stopped. The main events since WM20 have all been fairly lackluster, shown up by matches lower on the card. I don't see why this should be continued with another Orton/HHH fiasco.

Punk vs. Anyone for the WWE Title is the way to go.
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I should also mention Cena vs. Triple H from WM22, as that match was epic from a viewer standpoint, even if the actual in-ring action wasn't THAT good.
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Im not saying that they shouldn't do a program with Miz vs Lawler @ Mania (hopefully Tag Team and not 1 on 1) but coming to the conclusion that they need to put the title on Lawler for that to happen is bad. You could easily have Lawler cost him the title against someone to start up that feud.
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Yeah that guy, he shoulda beat macho man in that tourney for the title. Now would be the absolute best time in his entire career to give him the title.
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...... Bret Hart would be able to bump better atm than him.
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Linda McMahon would be able to bump better than him tbf.
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This is not about just showing respect, its interesting booking and could be a nice shake up for the title picture.
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WWE had a great run of main events for awhile.

WM XIV: Austin vs. HBK
WM XV: Austin vs. Rock
WM XVI: Rock vs. Triple H vs. Foley vs. Big Show
WM XVII: Austin vs. Rock II
WM XIX: Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle
WM XX: Benoit vs. Triple H vs. HBK

Honestly, I feel like that's where it stopped. The main events since WM20 have all been fairly lackluster, shown up by matches lower on the card. I don't see why this should be continued with another Orton/HHH fiasco.

Punk vs. Anyone for the WWE Title is the way to go.
Are we forgetting Taker v HBK II from this past year for any particular reason?
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Also, is this the same board that shit a brick when Miz "needed" Cole to help him beat Lawler about a month ago cos it made him look "weak"?

Now, half of us are OK with Lawler beating Miz for the belt (under the right circumstances of course)?
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That is why people should be in the chat thread during shows and ppv's, and not the thread. We have sense in the chat thread. Nobody there thought that finish made Miz look weak
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Hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe I should look into that.
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You're not suggesting that was a good Mania ME are you Steele? You really think a match featuring Cena would get that kind of credit round here?
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You're not suggesting that was a good Mania ME are you Steele? You really think a match featuring Cena would get that kind of credit round here?
HBK obviously carried him in that match.
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