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Old 02-01-2011, 11:05 PM   #1
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Daniel Bryan: The Best Wrestler No One Cares About
Now before anyone gets upset, please know that I think Danielson is an extremely talented wrestler. His pay-per-view matches tend to be the best on the card and I don't mind him as US champion. But Gertner was completely right. The crowd on NXT tonight was dead when he came out. The attempts to get interest in him (Derrick Bateman, The Bella Twins) aren't working. You know it's bad when R-Truth has to rally the crowd to get a response for him. If things don't change, I see him getting future endeavored. What will it take for the crowd to care about Bryan Danielson?





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Old 02-01-2011, 11:11 PM   #2
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put him up against guys like sheamus , orton, miz and morrison ,cm punk and also cena .. and making them tap out or at least wrestle to a time limit .I think that would be the best and fastest way .
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:13 PM   #3
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I'm already upset from the title of this thread. :foc:
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I'm already upset from the title of this thread. :foc:
Once again, I don't hate him. but you can't deny that the crowd isn't really into him
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That's bullshit. He was getting chants when he wasn't even there. Fatal Fourway they were chanting his name during every single match and when the show was fading to black.

Nobody cares about NXT why would you think that NXT reactions count at all? Besides "nobody" is a stupid word to use since we care about him on TPWW. We're not nobody.
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He's only over with the smart fans who know what he's capable of. Until WWE wants him to get over, he won't. It's pretty clear they don't want him over right now, but they also don't want him left off the show. I seriously doubt he'll get future endeavored unless he goes the Low Ki route and decides to part ways.

I see his current stint as paying WWE dues. I'm not happy with it, but I don't really care. Matches like the series with Ziggler make it worth it.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:19 PM   #7
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I see his current stint as paying WWE dues. I'm not happy with it, but I don't really care. Matches like the series with Ziggler make it worth it.
Didn't he already pay his dues during his stint in NXT season 1? I blame this stupid 'ladies man' gimmick wwe gave him...it needs to end now and/or turn him heel.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:22 PM   #8
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Didn't he already pay his dues during his stint in NXT season 1? I blame this stupid 'ladies man' gimmick wwe gave him...it needs to end now and/or turn him heel.
To be perfectly honest, he was booked pretty strong on NXT. Yes, he lost, but he hung with guys like Jericho and Batista. His first WWE match was a good showing against the World champion. His feud with Michael Cole was actually really well done as well, if left unresolved.
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I think he'll be just fine. He doesn't have enough of a fanbase for people to care about his random matches with even more underdeveloped characters like Tyson Kidd and Ted Dibiase. Once he gets another program with a heel that people actually care about, people will be interested again.
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He got a great reaction in Boston but that's a smark crowd.
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He got a great reaction in Boston but that's a smark crowd.
Yeah, exactly. They were marking for Punk/Daniel Bryan. You won't get that in a non-smark city. Pretty sure they popped for Regal, too.
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Yeah, exactly. They were marking for Punk/Daniel Bryan. You won't get that in a non-smark city. Pretty sure they popped for Regal, too.
That was one of the best segments of the rumble heh, I fucking love Smark crowds!

But yeah Bryan is not super over cause he's not really doing anything. He doesn't even really get mic time and on TV he gets the jobber entrance during commercials treatment like 60%-80% of the time, his lack of overness is not his fault at all, when he had a program he was over simple as that.
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The first 10 minutes or so of the Rumble was the best pure wrestling moment in Rumble history.
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I have enoyed Bryan's ringwork, but every time he picks up a mic, he bores the shit out of me.
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The first 10 minutes or so of the Rumble was the best pure wrestling moment in Rumble history.

Yup and then when you factor in the Morrison display and then the entertaining Nexus dominance you had probably had one of the most entertaining Rumbles ever, until Cena at 22 and Hornswaggle at 23. It pretty much died from there.
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The odd thing about Bryan is, the crowd is quieter when he comes out, but they really seem to get into his matches. You can talk about his entrance, but you can't deny that in his matches with Miz, Ziggler, etc, people were solidly behind him. Now of course some credit goes to Miz and Ziggler for being excellent heels, BUT, the crowd wasn't booing them as much as they were getting behind Bryan.

I think part of the problem is because he hasn't been able to connect with the crowd. He gets a decent amount of tv time, but very little time on the actual mic. Instead, the only real info the crowd knows about him is that he's a vegan, Cole things he's a nerd, and he's dating Gail Kim. Give him a feud where he has a chance to get on the mic and actually get angry. Give him a chance to get past the goofy, smiley person, and give him a chance to get angry and competitive, and for the crowd to want to see what he's going to do.

With that said, DB won't be fired anytime soon. He knows how to play the game (he's great at backstage politics stuff, not because he's using it to get ahead per se, just because he knows how he's supposed to act.) Also, he's one of the best at making other guys look good.
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The crowd kinda died too. I mean Cena vs Orton faceoff got zero reaction
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Oh, and change his music.

Classical music does not hype up the crowd.
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Oh, and change his music.

Classical music does not hype up the crowd.
Exactly it's too common and really it''s fucking dorky as hell and not in a good dorky way but in a silly joke dorky sort of way
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I hate Daniel Bryan. I've hated him from the very start. Maybe he can wrestle in the ring, but unfortunately it takes much more then that to be a star in wrestling. He doesn't have the look going on for him. He doesn't have charisma. He sucks on the Mic. He has no gimmick of his own.

I just don't buy into it. I think the only reason so many people say they do. Is because "it's the cool thing to do". Support the underdog, the underrated, undiscovered Brian Danielson. I bet half of the jack-offs who say they support him from the indy scenes never heard of him before NxT. I in particular don't give a shit about the indy scene. And you can bash all you want, but secretly you don't give a shit either.
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Exactly it's too common and really it''s fucking dorky as hell and not in a good dorky way but in a silly joke dorky sort of way
I think it's very similar to why he used The Final Countdown.

He picked the Final Countdown because it was considered one of the worst songs, and he did it as a joke. Then, it caught on, so he kept using it. I get the feeling he picked this as an inside joke to himself, but it's just awful.

And seriously, it's not going to catch on, WWE has a great team, why can't they come up with something good? I mean, yeah, classic themes work for Flair and Savage, but those themes were tailored more to the rich/grand gimmick.
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Oh, and change his music.

Classical music does not hype up the crowd.

Hey I like Wagner even if he was an antisemitic dick


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but yea youre half right he might need a better intro to the theme

But if fans can get behind Thus Spoke Zarathustra or Pomp and Circumstance


They can get behind DB's theme
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I hate Daniel Bryan. I've hated him from the very start. Maybe he can wrestle in the ring, but unfortunately it takes much more then that to be a star in wrestling. He doesn't have the look going on for him. He doesn't have charisma. He sucks on the Mic. He has no gimmick of his own.

I just don't buy into it. I think the only reason so many people say they do. Is because "it's the cool thing to do". Support the underdog, the underrated, undiscovered Brian Danielson. I bet half of the jack-offs who say they support him from the indy scenes never heard of him before NxT. I in particular don't give a shit about the indy scene. And you can bash all you want, but secretly you don't give a shit either.
Thank you for your original and inspired opinion. I find it hard to believe however that there's someone on tpww who doesn't like indy wrestling.

Seriously though, I've never understood the "you're doing it because it's the cool thing to do" argument. I'm fairly certain that most people here don't give two shits about like Danielson because some other people here do, and they want to be "cool." Have you ever considered that some people just like WRESTLING, and he's a good WRESTLER?
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He's only over with the smart fans who know what he's capable of. Until WWE wants him to get over, he won't. It's pretty clear they don't want him over right now, but they also don't want him left off the show. I seriously doubt he'll get future endeavored unless he goes the Low Ki route and decides to part ways.

I see his current stint as paying WWE dues. I'm not happy with it, but I don't really care. Matches like the series with Ziggler make it worth it.
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He'll get his time to be over with the fans. Right now they have nothing for him and they haven't given the casual WWE fan a reason to get behind him. The only place he got time to develop a character was on NXT and most casual fans didn't really watch that.

Danielson is way too good of an all around talent (yes I'm including mic skills as well) to go ignored for very long.

The only way Danielson doesn't become a star in the WWE is if he goes the Val Venis route and not step up and demand feuds.
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I think it's very similar to why he used The Final Countdown.

He picked the Final Countdown because it was considered one of the worst songs, and he did it as a joke. Then, it caught on, so he kept using it. I get the feeling he picked this as an inside joke to himself, but it's just awful.

And seriously, it's not going to catch on, WWE has a great team, why can't they come up with something good? I mean, yeah, classic themes work for Flair and Savage, but those themes were tailored more to the rich/grand gimmick.
fuck you that song rocks! There's a chance it could get over but I agree he really needs something in house.
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This is great btw!




They fake Bryan Danielson coming out to the NXT theme and then cut into Final Countdown.
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Hey, I love the Final Countdown. Don't shoot the messenger. I just read in an interview or something that he picked it because he saw it on a list of bad songs, and thought it'd be hilarious.
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I hate Daniel Bryan. I've hated him from the very start. Maybe he can wrestle in the ring, but unfortunately it takes much more then that to be a star in wrestling. He doesn't have the look going on for him. He doesn't have charisma. He sucks on the Mic. He has no gimmick of his own.

I just don't buy into it. I think the only reason so many people say they do. Is because "it's the cool thing to do". Support the underdog, the underrated, undiscovered Brian Danielson. I bet half of the jack-offs who say they support him from the indy scenes never heard of him before NxT. I in particular don't give a shit about the indy scene. And you can bash all you want, but secretly you don't give a shit either.
Just the fact that your whole user title is based around a crappy band with a retard for a singer that stopped being relevant for most of us back in 9th grade

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Dear god that ring is tiny.
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Hey, I love the Final Countdown. Don't shoot the messenger. I just read in an interview or something that he picked it because he saw it on a list of bad songs, and thought it'd be hilarious.
Yeah, I read this too.
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Hey, I love the Final Countdown. Don't shoot the messenger. I just read in an interview or something that he picked it because he saw it on a list of bad songs, and thought it'd be hilarious.

Heh sorry, I think it workes really well though it has a recognizable (not that FOV doesn't but it's really not as audible an intro) intro, a mini countdown into the rest of the song, it practically times it self. Could you imagine lights go out, the opening riff plays then when it hits the countdown part the titan trons lights up counting down and then bam DB comes out right after the countdown.
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I love Bryan; he's really won me over. He's the one guy on Raw right now whose matches I get excited for as soon as his entrance hits...he's a fantastic worker in ring; great athleticism AND ring psychology.

WWE has dropped the ball with his character a few times. The Cole shit comes to mind most readily. Cole doesn't like Daniel Bryan? Okay... so what? Why should I even care any more? It's been a one-sided feud; Bryan was never given a chance to respond to Cole's remarks. They should just phase the thing out and stop the distracting commentary.

I agree that the "dorky ladies man" persona failed to pan out. Again, WWE dropped the ball. The Bella/Bryan storyline was the same thing...week after week...for far too many weeks. Now he's with Gail Kim. Who cares? I don't see it going anywhere. The most likely thing that will happen is that Kim dumps him after a month or two and it turns out Eve Torres likes hims. I guess the Kim thing could work if they made them both "super bookworm nerds" together or something. Anyone have any other thoughts on this subject?

I would love a heel turn. Somewhere in between whiny-cocky-shit ala Miz and badass-who-talks-shit-and-backs-it-up.

A feud with Morrison would also be gold, assuming one of them turned heel. The JoMo/Bryan matches have been some of my favorite work in recent weeks. A feud could revamp both personas if done right, and reinvigorate the US Title scene too, eventually bringing in the likes of T-Kidd, R-Truth, and Dibiase.
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Heh sorry, I think it workes really well though it has a recognizable (not that FOV doesn't but it's really not as audible an intro) intro, a mini countdown into the rest of the song, it practically times it self. Could you imagine lights go out, the opening riff plays then when it hits the countdown part the titan trons lights up counting down and then bam DB comes out right after the countdown.
WWE should do what ECW did...use not only production music, but popular music, past and present, around the world, for all the wrestlers to use and let the wrestlers choose what song...

Examples:
The Undertaker - "For Whom The Bell Tolls" by Metallica
Chris Jericho - "Thunderkiss '65" by White Zombie
Finlay - "Pride (In The Name Of Love)" by U2
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WWE should do what ECW did...use not only production music, but popular music, past and present, around the world, for all the wrestlers to use and let the wrestlers choose what song...

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Chris Jericho - "Thunderkiss '65" by White Zombie
Finlay - "Pride (In The Name Of Love)" by U2
Nah, WWE isn't going to dump tons of money into getting licensed songs. Places like ROH and ECW could do it before they got on tv, but once you're on tv, they pretty much dropped it.
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Bryan is over, he just needs a good angle for people to care about.

I'm getting fed up with people saying 'He sucks. They teamed him with the Bellas and he still isn't over'.

Are you fucking kidding me? The Bellas? Like that's gonna work! Who the fuck cares about the Bellas? It's like 'oh we teamed him with the Bellas = instant success'. He's a fantastic wrestler and doesn't need all this crappy 'Bellas fighting over him' tackiness.

Give him a legit feud with someone and he'll get over.
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Nah, WWE isn't going to dump tons of money into getting licensed songs. Places like ROH and ECW could do it before they got on tv, but once you're on tv, they pretty much dropped it.
At least do it for house shows.
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At least do it for house shows.
What would be the point to this? Most people wouldn't know who the fuck was coming out.
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