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Old 02-02-2011, 01:45 AM   #41
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What would be the point to this? Most people wouldn't know who the fuck was coming out.
Houseshows could be Bizarro WWE! Every entrance song is different, and everyone has the reverse role! ZOMG!

Oh no wait, that's a stupid idea...

Also Bryan will be over by the time Summerslam hits! ... prolly...
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:58 AM   #42
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Bryan is over, he just needs a good angle for people to care about.

I'm getting fed up with people saying 'He sucks. They teamed him with the Bellas and he still isn't over'.

Are you fucking kidding me? The Bellas? Like that's gonna work! Who the fuck cares about the Bellas? It's like 'oh we teamed him with the Bellas = instant success'. He's a fantastic wrestler and doesn't need all this crappy 'Bellas fighting over him' tackiness.

Give him a legit feud with someone and he'll get over.
This. Seems like they're doing the same thing to him as they did with Malenko: a non-working "ladies' man" angle instead of playing to his strengths. They cut everything short that was working for him- the Nexus bits, the feud with Cole, the US title feud with Teddy Jr., etc. It's like having the strap is just an apology for "firing"* him.

* I made my point on this before, I don't think he was legit "fired", and had a job waiting for him after his non-compete ran out so that whole bad pub thing could blow over.
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:09 AM   #43
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Just the fact that your whole user title is based around a crappy band with a retard for a singer that stopped being relevant for most of us back in 9th grade

makes any argument from your end fall flat
You prove to me when Limp Bizkit stopped being cool...

It's a fucking joke slap nutz. See the animated avatar? It's supposed to press on the sarcasm a little harder for people like you who can't comprehend the joke in the name itself. Clearly I have touched a nerve with you in bashing your boy Daniel Bryanson. Last I checked the topic of the thread was solely made for the debate of this very discussion. It's not like I went on a "I love Daniel Bryanson" Thread and started informing people of the truth of his lameness. So therefore I think I have every right to make any argument. With it being Absolutely, and Completely Relevant. Whether my user name be Fred Bizkit, Justin Beiber, or Larry Busey- Garry Busey's younger undiscovered Step Brother.
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:15 AM   #44
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Thank you for your original and inspired opinion. I find it hard to believe however that there's someone on tpww who doesn't like indy wrestling.

Seriously though, I've never understood the "you're doing it because it's the cool thing to do" argument. I'm fairly certain that most people here don't give two shits about like Danielson because some other people here do, and they want to be "cool." Have you ever considered that some people just like WRESTLING, and he's a good WRESTLER?


Are you seriously arguing with the fact that the majority of the people on here don't just jump on the ship with the most people? Sure people like you and I realize that this is just a simple internet forum with a bunch of nerds who have nothing else better to do with their free time.(yes this includes myself) There's no way you can seriously deny that most people, on any forum. Jump on board to "what's popular". Simply because it's popular. Maybe my wording of "doing it to be cool" wasn't the right way to say it. But the point I was trying to make is that the majority of people, especially those of the younger crowd jump on whatever's popular at the time.
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:33 AM   #45
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Are you seriously arguing with the fact that the majority of the people on here don't just jump on the ship with the most people? Sure people like you and I realize that this is just a simple internet forum with a bunch of nerds who have nothing else better to do with their free time.(yes this includes myself) There's no way you can seriously deny that most people, on any forum. Jump on board to "what's popular". Simply because it's popular. Maybe my wording of "doing it to be cool" wasn't the right way to say it. But the point I was trying to make is that the majority of people, especially those of the younger crowd jump on whatever's popular at the time.
TPWW is not gamefaqs.

Maybe some of the newer, younger posters behave the way you describe, but the regulars like what they say they like, and dislike what they say they dislike.

You obviously don't post enough to make such accusations, as if you did, you would realize that there is a rather large group of posters who dislike daniel bryan and the indys in general.

Which, by the way, pretty much proves your arguement completely false.
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:27 AM   #46
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I'm not entirely convinced Daniel Bryan is not over. John Morrison got lukewarm pops before they decided to re-push him, etc. The thing is, every time I've seen Bryan wrestle, he's gotten the crowd so into it. I don't watch RAW too much, but on Superstars, PPV and SmackDown! -- every time. As many have said, the guy is not really doing anything. Put him in a meaningful feud and people will get behind him.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:11 AM   #47
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Which is pretty much what I said. 'They teamed with The Bellas' doesn't really count as a storyline. And nobody cares about The Bellas anyway.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:27 AM   #48
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Yeah, exactly. They were marking for Punk/Daniel Bryan. You won't get that in a non-smark city. Pretty sure they popped for Regal, too.
they popped for almost everyone..it almost felt like a sheepish crowd, but i was ok with it, because it provided a strong energy. they gave chavo a standing O (which he deserved) and you are right, they popped for regal. they also popped for Del Rio, Miz, Punk, Nexus music, hell the only one they didnt give a reaction too really was Kane, and thats because they all thought it was gonna be trips.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:29 AM   #49
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I'm not entirely convinced Daniel Bryan is not over. John Morrison got lukewarm pops before they decided to re-push him, etc. The thing is, every time I've seen Bryan wrestle, he's gotten the crowd so into it. I don't watch RAW too much, but on Superstars, PPV and SmackDown! -- every time. As many have said, the guy is not really doing anything. Put him in a meaningful feud and people will get behind him.
no, they need to change his god awful entrance music. think of the great entrance musics, they get u pumped right away to see the gay, whether he is good or bad. his makes me want to take a trip to stock up on refreshments/use the bathroom/get a snack/etc.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:47 AM   #50
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A sheepish crowd, he says.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:03 AM   #51
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A sheepish crowd, he says.
I didn't know they were in the Impact Zone.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:17 AM   #52
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What would be the point to this? Most people wouldn't know who the fuck was coming out.
Gob Bluth...I'd be disappointed if Bryan Danielson came out to that music instead of him.
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Daniel Bryan and Ted Dibiase are actually in a similar position, both of them were paired with divas they didn't necessarily have chemistry with and people complained that it didn't get them instantly over so they must totally suck.

The thing is the Bellas are not over, Maryse isn't really over for that matter so why would Bryan and Dibiase get over by association alone? They are just being given "something to do" at the moment instead of being pushed, take a look at the poor reactions Morrison was getting six months ago compared to the pops he's getting now.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:55 AM   #54
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Put him in a meaningful feud and people will get behind him.
I really think thats all he needs, some mic time and and angle that doesnt involve a diva. Also in the long term, the fact he hasnt been pushed down everyones throat can only be a positive when he does recieve a push.
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:02 AM   #55
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Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan just don't create any spark for me...

Total lack of charisma or passion.

I think he needs to get taken out backstage or do something really heroic to get over with the crowd and that just hasn't happened yet either.
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:07 AM   #56
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He's not remotely over and never will be over because the crowd doesn't want to see somebody who resembles their english teacher wrestle, especially a style that is submission based. Combine that with he's bad on the mic and it aint gonna happen.

Stop with this bullshit that he's over. R Truth was pleading with the damn crowd to chant his name because he's so quiet. Stop making excuses.
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i didnt say they were a sheepish crowd, i said almost, and in this case it worked. like i said the energy in Boston was at a fever pitch the whole night. i still get chills seeing booker t's entrance, and listening to that huge ovation he got. plus Striker with his whole mark out thing was nice. this is the rare instance i think that the crowd cheerin almost everyone worked gloriously.
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:31 AM   #58
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He's not remotely over and never will be over because the crowd doesn't want to see somebody who resembles their english teacher wrestle, especially a style that is submission based. Combine that with he's bad on the mic and it aint gonna happen.

Stop with this bullshit that he's over. R Truth was pleading with the damn crowd to chant his name because he's so quiet. Stop making excuses.
You never even gave him a chance to be over. So, he was never over in your mind which is a 100 percent lie and you are braindead if you do not agree. If he had the top matches of the year with The Miz or Dolph Ziggler (other than HBK/Taker he did) it doesn't matter to you because you don't want to admit to it. Whatever changes your view point you just block it out or claim it never happened. Fatal Four-Way happened. The Daniel Bryan chants when he wasn't even fucking employed HAPPENED. If he's not over it's not because of his lack of trying. It's just fans are fucking stupid and want clones of John Cena. Don't blame Daniel Bryan for being different blame everybody else for being the same.

Fuck what happens on NXT. I only watch it to ask questions to the Fink which he usually gets to about one a show (rdamon1982 is my name on there if you ever see me in the chat.) They also allow me to call Brodus Clay King Koopa at least once a show and even got my DOOMSHIP comment when he came out last week.

The fans aren't into it because it's a bad concept. That's why they didn't ever put John Cena, Randy Orton, The Big Show, The Undertaker or Kane as pros. They don't want their real main event talent tarnished by bad crowd reactions and mehs. That's why they got the Miz and Michael Cole off of it too. It made Michael Cole an asshole and then they got him off the sinking ship when they realize the time was up. The main announcer on the show is only there because he has nowhere else he can commentate on because he sucked on Smackdown and sucks as an interviewer. The show sucks because of the concept not because of the talent. If any stars are made by NXT at this point you should just go ahead and call it an act of God. They should get Alberto Del Rio off that show right fucking now if they know what is good for them. Make Brodus Clay's pro Ricardo Rodriquez he's over enough to survive.

The fans seem to like the relationship between Daniel Bryan and Derrick Bateman. Maybe last night was just an isolated incident with a lackluster crowd. They know they are getting the B (Smackdown) and the C (NXT) shows and are pissed of that they missed The Royal Rumble and Monday Night Raw. The Blackman jokes went over. NXT is a comedy show not a wrestling show. It's a game show with a little bit of wrestling thrown in so they can say its still sport entertainment. It's like the Bobby the Brain Heenan Show and just like USA Network did the 1980;s SyFy was like "get this non-wrestling show off we have a contract for sports entertainment."

What gets filmed first? NXT or Smackdown? Maybe the fans are just too tired from Smackdown or are saving their pops for Smackdown.
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You never even gave him a chance to be over. So, he was never over in your mind which is a 100 percent lie and you are braindead if you do not agree. If he had the top matches of the year with The Miz or Dolph Ziggler (other than HBK/Taker he did) it doesn't matter to you because you don't want to admit to it. Whatever changes your view point you just block it out or claim it never happened. Fatal Four-Way happened. The Daniel Bryan chants when he wasn't even fucking employed HAPPENED. If he's not over it's not because of his lack of trying. It's just fans are fucking stupid and want clones of John Cena. Don't blame Daniel Bryan for being different blame everybody else for being the same.

Fuck what happens on NXT. I only watch it to ask questions to the Fink which he usually gets to about one a show (rdamon1982 is my name on there if you ever see me in the chat.) They also allow me to call Brodus Clay King Koopa at least once a show and even got my DOOMSHIP comment when he came out last week.

The fans aren't into it because it's a bad concept. That's why they didn't ever put John Cena, Randy Orton, The Big Show, The Undertaker or Kane as pros. They don't want their real main event talent tarnished by bad crowd reactions and mehs. That's why they got the Miz and Michael Cole off of it too. It made Michael Cole an asshole and then they got him off the sinking ship when they realize the time was up. The main announcer on the show is only there because he has nowhere else he can commentate on because he sucked on Smackdown and sucks as an interviewer. The show sucks because of the concept not because of the talent. If any stars are made by NXT at this point you should just go ahead and call it an act of God. They should get Alberto Del Rio off that show right fucking now if they know what is good for them. Make Brodus Clay's pro Ricardo Rodriquez he's over enough to survive.

The fans seem to like the relationship between Daniel Bryan and Derrick Bateman. Maybe last night was just an isolated incident with a lackluster crowd. They know they are getting the B (Smackdown) and the C (NXT) shows and are pissed of that they missed The Royal Rumble and Monday Night Raw. The Blackman jokes went over. NXT is a comedy show not a wrestling show. It's a game show with a little bit of wrestling thrown in so they can say its still sport entertainment. It's like the Bobby the Brain Heenan Show and just like USA Network did the 1980;s SyFy was like "get this non-wrestling show off we have a contract for sports entertainment."

What gets filmed first? NXT or Smackdown? Maybe the fans are just too tired from Smackdown or are saving their pops for Smackdown.
Lol wow, are you his agent? Stop making excuses! "Lackluster crowd, stupid crowd, crowd not warmed up" how about he's a boring vanilla midget that only fat ass smarks jerk off to and won't admit that their golden boy can't cut it in the big leagues. He's getting no reactions on Raw or NXT because HE'S BORING!
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I'm really tired of the Hate towards Daniel Bryan.

he is a great wrestler and is maybe a future world champion if he gets used right.

note: for anyone hates daniel bryan keep the damn hate to yourself!
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:22 PM   #62
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Gertner, it must be so cool to be the only internet wrestling fan who isn't fat or a nerd. Tell me more about it.
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I don't get why anyone would hate a guy that has worked his way up the ranks of the business for the last 10+ years. If you find him boring, fine. But to "Hate" the guy!?

As has been said, he needs a proper fued.

The way I see this thing with Kim is that it's an attempt to make her relevant again (at last).
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Yeah its really hard to care about someone who is booked shitty. Put him in some feuds with top tier guys and let them go. People will care. No one cares about this Bellas shit.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:05 PM   #66
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Anyone that thinks Daniel Bryan isn't good on the mic simply hasn't heard him on the mic.
I thought he was good in his rants against Michael Cole on NXT.

Every other time he has picked up a mic since then (basically his feud with Miz) he has been kinda bland.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:12 PM   #67
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This is great btw!




They fake Bryan Danielson coming out to the NXT theme and then cut into Final Countdown.
HA, I was actually at this show. It was only a week or 2 after he got released from WWE. Even got an autograph and pic afterwards.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:16 PM   #68
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Yeah its really hard to care about someone who is booked shitty. Put him in some feuds with top tier guys and let them go. People will care. No one cares about this Bellas shit.
This. I think part of the bad booking has to do with the fact that most of his matches have largely been squash matches. He would really benefit from having a best of 5 feud with someone for the title.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:24 PM   #69
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Have Bryan's ladies man gimmick take a turn. Him and Gail go heel, and are joined by Awesome Kong and A.J.
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:05 PM   #70
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This. I think part of the bad booking has to do with the fact that most of his matches have largely been squash matches. He would really benefit from having a best of 5 feud with someone for the title.
so would anybody else on the planet, yes?
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:17 PM   #71
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And nobody cares about The Bellas anyway.
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Glad someone did this thread.

He is totally right. He is not over, its not working. They are trying to do stuff with him and the fans are not reacting. And before we get a bunch of smarks going, 'WELL THEY GAVE HIM A BAD GIMMICK ITS NOT HIS FAULT!' save it because they pushed him hard when he first got there. His first match was with the WHC Chris Jericho, while he was still on NXT he would wrestle on RAW in main-event matches with The Miz and Batista. Oh and lets not forget that he was booked in the biggest angle of 2010 with the Nexus invasion. So ITS HIS FUCKING FAULT HE IS NOT OVER!
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:49 PM   #73
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They gave Dusty Rhodes polka dots, he made it work.

They gave Dustin Rhodes a wig and lust for dudes, he made it work.

They gave Booker T a crown and a speach impedement, he made it work.

If he's half as good as the IWC thinks he is then make it work.
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:58 PM   #74
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They gave Dusty Rhodes polka dots, he made it work.

They gave Dustin Rhodes a wig and lust for dudes, he made it work.

They gave Booker T a crown and a speach impedement, he made it work.

If he's half as good as the IWC thinks he is then make it work.
Dusty Rhodes made it work because he is Dusty fucking Rhodes. He was already a national star. And those other guys made it work because they actually had something to work with.

Ok, they gave Dustin Runnels a wig and lust for dudes. What did they give Daniel Bryan? Nothing.

I am not a huge Daniel Bryan mark. I enjoy his ring work, but have not been impressed by anything else, besides slightly enjoying that promo he cut on NXT.

And I do think his fans make excuses for him.

That said, he is nowhere near the failure his detractors say he is. Just because he isn't getting Cena or Orton pops doesn't mean he is not over. He still gets a decent reaction from the crowd, which is fine for where he is on the card.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:02 PM   #75
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Ziggler and Bryan had some of the best matches of WWE in 2010. That's really all I care about when it comes down to it (him having good matches, that is).
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:03 PM   #76
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Funny that you bring up Dustin Runnels, because before Goldust came along, he was in the same boat. Good wrestler, decent reaction from the crowd, but was never really given anything to go off of personality wise.
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Oh, and change his music.

Classical music does not hype up the crowd.
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Funny that you bring up Dustin Runnels, because before Goldust came along, he was in the same boat. Good wrestler, decent reaction from the crowd, but was never really given anything to go off of personality wise.
If it wasn't for that assclown Hogan, he would've stayed in WCW and Goldust wouldn't happen. That god damn no-blood policy.
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On the subject of "no one wants to see submission style wrestling": they can if he was pushed as a bad-ass submission machine that laid waste and made everyone he came across tap out. You know, like they did with Angle, or like Benoit, or like Taz(z) before they made him a joke. Doesn't work so well when it isn't being showcased. I also guarantee "Ride of the Valkyries" would get over in that instance too.

On the subject of "not being given anything to work with": he's not. Yeah, Undertaker took being a glorified mortician to heights beyond anyones imagination... but do you think he could have pulled that same shit off if he were given gimmicks like "The Dumpster" or whateverthefuck "Bastian Booger" was? Doubtful. Cody Rhodes was kinda floundering like Ted, and one Diva's poll changed his life. If there were no "Die Rocky Die" backlash, you think he would have been the star he is today? That shitty "3rd generation superstar" thing he was initally saddled with wasn't working for him. Or Orton.
Give Danielson something he can run with that (say it with me now) PLAYS TO HIS STRENGTHS!

On the subject of "it being his fucking fault he's not over": By that logic, Christian isn't world champion by now because of his own mistakes? Get the fuck outta here! I couldn't get over either if everything that WERE working to get the crowd behind me gets inexplicably derailed. "OH SHIT, HE JUST CURB STOMPED COLE AND... oh, wait, that's done?" "Wha, hey! US Title feud with DiBiase and... nevermind." Taken off of TV for choking Justin Roberts with a tie (which Justin sold like a champ! What a trooper!). Now, what's he doing? Condoning cheating on a show proven that no one cares about and unsuccessfully trying to keep Gail Kim off of a Bella. This makes him look foolish. This does not help him. This does not aid in getting him over.
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