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But I don't know...on the other hand, I don't see how WWE keeps Cena out of the Title picture at 'Mania...they'll probably want him to be there "just because". |
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cena vs sheamus = been done
cena vs hhh - been done cena vs miz - been done but not to death sheamus vs hhh - logical yet already happened last year at mania hhh vs miz - BINGO just did the math right there and HHH vs Miz is the most creative way to go. HHH vs Miz vs Cena would also be acceptable because Cena/Miz is not yet overdone. \ yet i know wwe is not always known for being creative. |
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I just remembered they're starting a Cena/Punk angle, so they may run it until WM27, which could take Cena out of the Title picture, unless one of them won the title before then.
Also, I don't know if WWE would let a young "new star" main event WrestleMania...Sheamus had a great 2009, beat Cena for the Title, is a favorite of Triple H and all that, and not even he Main Evented WrestleMania this year. So I don't know if WWE would give a Main Event spot to Miz. Seems like they are reluctant to do so. |
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If they are wanting to prepare for the future they better put a rising star in the main event for a change. I've grown very weary of HHH/Cena/Orton/Batista/Edge in the main event at WM. I , for one, am very hopeful to see Mr. Mizanin in the main event and really feel that HHH vs Miz COULD be a really good main event. I am also hoping for a tournament like at WM2(?) leading to the unification of the 2 world titles and ending the brand split. That could be totally unique, help the transition for this new generation and also increase buys. Using the end of the brand split and the unification at WM could be just the launching pad for a new public "make new stars" initiative. |
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Mania 4 had the Title Tourney.
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RAPTURE READY.
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I don't see nor want to see Miz main eventing WrestleMania this year. Experimental champion_style. Good as Champion on paper, but not that high caliber yet to carry WrestleMania on his shoulders. He's like Kurt Angle in late 2000-early 2001.
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If this Cena injury turns out to be serious, and he's out for WM27, we COULD see CM Punk find his way into the Title picture, and a Title match at 'Mania.
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what's this I hear about a "WCW-themed WrestleMania"?
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WWE Championship
CM Punk (c) vs. John Cena This current storyline continues, but the title is added when Punk takes the belt in the Chamber. King of Kings vs. King of the Ring Triple H vs. Sheamus Another revenge match for the card. Over the top entrances and all. Streak on the Line The Miz vs. The Undertaker Miz loses his Championship in the Chamber and tries to rebound the best way he could, by challenging the Undertaker's streak. Miz will look like a threat as he was just WWE Champion, and going over Orton a few times. Plus, it took a Chamber match to get the belt off him. The promos by Miz would be gold, and the Riley interference at Mania will add a lot to the match. World Heavyweight Championship Edge (c) vs. Alberto Del Rio Del Rio wins the Royal Rumble and challenges Edge. It would have a good kickoff, considering that Del Rio sidelined Christian way back when. Grudge Match Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho Jericho wants his revenge for Orton punting him back in September. Grudge Match Kane (face) vs. Wade Barrett Barrett reveals that the reason he helped Kane at Bragging Rights was so Barrett would be rewarded with a WHC match. Unfortunately for Wade, Kane lost the belt, so the favor is out the window. Meanwhile, there are telling signs that Taker is going to return, so they realize that they have to help one another fight off Taker soon. Kane and Barrett await Taker in the ring, but when the lights go out, Barrett rolls out of the ring and leaves Kane by himself as Taker destroys him. The next week, have something similar where Kane stands up Barrett and Taker gets his revenge on Barrett. The mistrust they have and the dropped promises then leads to a short "filler" grudge match at Mania. I really couldn't find any other way to book the triangle of Kane/Taker/Barrett, because Taker/Kane has been done to death, and Taker/Barrett just shouldn't happen at this point. If Barrett was still the leader and was booked strongly, then fine, but right now he is no where near ready to make a believable challenger for Taker's streak. Money in the Bank Morrison vs. Swagger vs. Bourne vs. McIntyre vs. Rhodes vs. Big Show vs. R-Truth vs. Dibiase I really hope they have MITB at WM this year, as it gives a great variety to the card and gives everyone that fun spotfest. United States Championship Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Dolph Ziggler Vickie pulls some strings to get Dolph a match for the United States Championship against Bryan. If this was 2010's MOTY (according to their site, tied with HBK/Taker), why not try and re-create some of that match quality for the biggest show of the year? Intercontinental Championship Kofi Kingston (c) vs. Rey Mysterio Face vs. Face match-up here to kick off the show. This helps the credibility of the IC title, as Rey is again competing for it, and it also helps Kofi since he needs to have a PPV match against someone other than Swagger or Dolph. Last edited by Mr. Pierre; 01-05-2011 at 04:23 PM. |
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I'm going to assume Cena wrestles, which will obviously change things greatly if he doesn't...
WWE Championship: John Cena vs CM Punk World Heavyweight Championship: Undertaker vs Wade Barrett Triple H vs Sheamus Randy Orton vs Chris Jericho Christian vs Edge The Miz vs John Morrison (although after last night it may be unlikely) Title for Title Daniel Bryan vs Dolph Ziggler If they have a MITB, Del Rio wins it. If not, him and Rey will find another place on the card. Maybe with Kane and Big Show respectively, for the tag belts. |
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My dream is to have Kofi win MITB. Del Rio wins at Mania, only to have Kofi come right in, and take out Del Rio for the title. Jizz will fly all over the place if that happens.
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WWE Championship Main Event
The Miz (c) vs John Cena World Heavyweight Championship Rey Mysterio (c) vs Alberto Del Rio Handicapped Tag Match The Undertaker & Kane vs The Corre Randy Orton vs CM Punk Triple H vs Sheamus Edge vs Christian WWE Diva's Title Natalya vs Beth Pheonix Special Guest Referee: Michael Cole Jerry Lawler vs Alex Riley The Big Show vs Dolph Ziggler .................................................................................................... .... I think The Undertaker will return to take out Wade Barrett & The Corre, and end up back with Kane as the The Brothers of Destruction. There is a thin line between love and hate. Due to the huge Mexican fan base of WWE, I think Rey vs Del Rio is the best option, Christian may cause Edge the title at Elimination Chamber setting up that match. I'd rather see Lawler vs Riley than Lawler vs Cole, but Cole should be in there somewhere. Dolph and Big Show are both wild cards, Big Show has a DVD coming out so you gotta think he with be featured at Wrestlemania in a decent way. Dolph has totally earned his spot but he has wrestled the hell out of Edge, Kofi, and Daniel so I can't really think of a "good" match that he could be involved in. This one is more of a guess. There are tons of guys left off my card, guys that would be great if they decided to do a Money in the Bank Ladder Match, which I really think they should and probably will do. WWE doesn't usually do more than 8 or 9 matches but thats not a rule, and its a four hour PPV so I hope get another match or two. It's possible Christian could be left off altogether I suppose but I have a feeling WWE values his addition to their roster and they know full well his potential, especially as a heel. I could see a four way match for the World Heavyweight Title to tighten up the show and get more guys on, however I am hoping that doesn't happen as it would weaken Alberto Del Rio's existence as the Rumble winner. |
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WHC title Match
Edge vs ADR WWE Title Match Miz vs Cena Career vs Streak HHH vs Taker (Special guest referee HBK) MITB Ladder match Ziggler vs Kofi vs JOMO vs Bourne vs Barrett vs Drew vs Santino vs Sheamus Mask vs Mask Rhodes vs Rey Lawler vs Cole Divas title match Natty vs Layla vs Mccool vs Beth vs Kong vs Kelly (Elimination rules) Punk vs Orton (last man standing match) Big Show vs Jackson |
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World Heavyweight Championship
Edge (c) vs Alberto Del Rio WWE Championship John Cena vs The Miz (c) Career vs Streak Triple H vs The Undertaker Triple Threat Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship Santino Marella & Koslov (c) vs Justin Gabriel & Heath Slater vs David Otunga & Michael McGillicutty Money In The Bank Ladder Match Christian vs John Morrison vs Wade Barrett vs Kofi Kingston vs Kane vs Jack Swagger vs King Sheamus vs Kane vs Rey Mysterio vs Cody Rhodes Drew McIntyre & Kelly Kelly vs Dolph Ziggler & Vickie Guerrero If Orton wins, The New Nexus Disbands, If Punk Wins, Orton leaves Raw Randy Orton vs CM Punk WWE Divas Championship LayCool vs Eve Torres vs Natalya vs Queen Kong Big Show vs Ezekiel Jackson vs Mason Ryan If Jerry Lawler's team loses, he must retire from commentary Jerry 'The King' Lawler & Daniel Bryan vs Michael Cole, Alex Riley & Ted Dibiase |
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I figure I'll give this one last shot before the EC PPV:
WWE Championship: The Miz vs. John Cena - Guest Referee: The Rock Streak on the Line: The Undertaker vs. Triple H CM Punk vs. Randy Orton World Heavyweight Championship: Edge (c) vs. Alberto Del Rio Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole MITB: Ziggler vs. Bryan vs. Sheamus vs. Morrison vs. Truth vs. Kofi vs. Kane vs. Barrett Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes IC Title Scramble: Kofi (c) vs. Swagger vs. Zeke vs. McIntyre vs. Big Show |
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Rock VS Cena
WWE Title: Miz VS Randy Orton VS John Morrison VS CM Punk World Hvywt Title: Rey Mysterio VS Alberto Del Rio Edge VS Christian Undertaker VS Wade Barrett Triple H VS Sheamus Add filler. |
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I love doing this, it will change about every week until we get the final card
![]() MAIN EVENT WWE CHAMPIONSHIP The Miz (c) vs John Cena WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE MATCH Rey Mysterio (c) vs Alberto Del Rio STREAK vs CAREER w/GUEST REF: SHAWN MICHAELS The Undertaker vs Triple H Randy Orton vs CM Punk If King wins, he gets five minutes with Michael Cole Jerry "The King" Lawler vs Alex Riley INTERCONTINENTAL TITLE MATCH Wade Barrett vs Kofi Kingston MONEY IN THE BANK LADDER MATCH Edge vs Sheamus vs Dolph Ziggler vs Mark Henry vs The Big Show vs Drew McIntyre vs Justin Gabriel vs Heath Slater US TITLE MATCH Daniel Bryan vs John Morrison |
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Ok let's see
WWE Championship - Special Enforcer: The Rock Miz vs. John Cena Undertaker vs. Triple H World Heavyweight Championship Edge vs. Alberto Del Rio CM Punk vs. Randy Orton Jerry Lawler vs. Alex Riley - If Lawler wins, he gets Cole. US vs. IC - Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston Money in the Bank Dolph Ziggler vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Wade Barrett vs. Kane vs. Evan Bourne vs. John Morrison vs. Mark Henry vs. Jack Swagger Big Show vs. Diesel Corre vs. Nexus Mega Powers Explode! Michelle McCool vs. Layla |
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WWE Title Match: Miz vs. John Cena
Special Enforcer: The Rock World Title Match: Del Rio vs. Christian vs. Edge HHH vs. Undertaker CM Punk vs. Randy Orton Rey vs. Cody Rhodes 10 Man Tag Match (Winning Team Faces Each Other in MITB) Morrison,Kofi, Swagger, Sheamus and Dolph vs. Bryan, Kane, R-Truth, McIntyre, and Dibiase Big Show and Diesel vs. Barrett and Zeke |
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Pay me to pay you
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WWE Championship
The Miz (c) vs. John Cena Triple Threat Match for the World Heavyweight Championship Edge (c) vs. Alberto Del Rio vs. Christian Special Guest Referee: Shawn Michaels The Undertaker vs. Triple H Money in the Bank Ladder Match Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Evan Bourne vs. Kane vs. King Sheamus vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Jack Swagger vs. John Morrison vs. R-Truth New Nexus banned from ringside CM Punk vs. Randy Orton The Corre is banned from ringside Wade Barrett vs. Big Show Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole WWE Tag Team Championship The Corre (c) vs. The Nexus LayCool vs. Trish Stratus & Kelly Kelly Divas Battle Royal for the WWE Divas Championship Eve Torres (c) vs. Alicia Fox vs. Beth Phoenix vs. Brie Bella vs. Gail Kim vs. Kaitlyn vs. Maryse vs. Melina vs. Natalya vs. Nikki Bella vs. Rosa Mendes vs. Tamina * The Divas Battle Royal will be the cool-down match. Beth Phoenix wins the Divas Title for the first time, and then Kong appears and destroys her. * Trish Stratus & Kelly Kelly defeat LayCool, furthering the tension between Michelle McCool & Layla, and promoting Trish Stratus as a trainer on Tough Enough. This could be in the "cooler" spot, but I think Trish Stratus' return will be special enough that the WWE gives it its own spot. * Justin Gabriel & Heath Slater defend the WWE Tag Team Championship against David Otunga & Michael McGillicutty with Ezekiel Jackson and Mason Ryan in their respective corners. Otunga & McGillicutty win because Otunga is someone the WWE sees potential in, and McGillicutty is a competent worker, and the New Nexus seems to be struggling more than The Corre. * Jerry Lawler squashes Michael Cole just for entertainment. More power to Cole if he takes a Piledriver. Jim Ross joins the commentary team to replace Cole for the rest of the night. Jim Ross, Josh Mathews & Booker T handle the rest of the dealings, with Lawler perhaps returning to call the main event. * Rey Mysterio defeats Cody Rhodes, because Rhodes is still young and is not going to be hurt by it, and Mysterio still moves so much merchandise. Plus, it's WrestleMania, so the faces going over is not a bad move, per se. If Rhodes shows up wearing a protective face mask that also hides his face, this could be Mask vs. Mask. * Wade Barrett proves himself ready to step up to the next level by successfully toppling The Giant. * CM Punk defeats Randy Orton when Chris Jericho makes a surprise appearance, costing Orton the match. I can dream. * John Morrison's great work over the last few months is rewarded when he wins the Money in the Bank Ladder Match, knocking off Kofi Kingston last. * The Undertaker defeats Triple H, as Shawn Michaels does prove to be an impartial referee. I don't think Triple H's career will be on the line. * Christian gets added to Edge vs. Del Rio, to play off his history with both men. This match will likely be down lower on the card, beneath both Taker vs. Triple H and The Miz vs. Cena and the cooler between those matches. A mid-show World Title match. A lot of people would pick Del Rio to win this, but I don't think he actually gets it done. I see a face walking out the winner, and as much as my heart would want to see Christian do it, I don't think the WWE gives him the title. Plus, Edge has been pushed like a Superman recently. The Rated-R Superstar retains, and Del Rio has an excuse for the loss -- he was against seven-time WWE Tag Team Champions together. * The Miz successfully defends the WWE Title against John Cena with some assist from The Rock -- more to hurt Cena than help The Miz. As the WWE Champ is celebrating, John Morrison comes to the ring and cashes in his Money in the Bank briefcase. Morrison wins the WWE Title to close the show. Hey, I can still dream. |
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Noid's card is pretty much what I'm thinking too. Although I'd probably go with a "never-been-done-before" triple threat with Show/Santino/Kozlov vs. Zeke/Slater/Gabriel vs. Otunga/Ryan/McGillicutty and Barrett involved in MitB or possibly the Orton/Punk match.
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Yeah, Noid's seems more or less spot on. I'm not entirely sure if they will do MITB or not but they would have to leave SO many guys off the card that should be there otherwise. I read that for guys who don't have a considerable amount of merch, the WM payday can be up to 20% of their yearly income. And I don't think guys in the pre-show get the same payday, so for morale reasons MITB should stay.
I'm torn. That looks like a fun card with some good matches, yet many of them feel predictable at the same time. I can't fathom WM ending in any way other than Rock planting Miz and/or Riley with a Rock Bottom and People's Elbow before hugging Cena and presenting him with the WWE Title, officially "passing the torch". That will probably be this year's "WM Moment" that WWE reference for years to come. But it just doesn't have the same effect if everybody in the world knows it's coming. Hopefully they have something else big in store because right now this feels more like a stream/torrent-worthy PPV, not a $50 PPV. It's not an automatic buy for me this year. Good thing they've still got 6 weeks to build this up so we'll see. |
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John Cena vs. The Rock
World Heavyweight Championship Brock Lesnar vs. Daniel Bryan © Lesnar comes back before WrestleMania and gets the match. WWE Championship Chris Jericho (Royal Rumble Winner) vs. CM Punk © Last edited by Mr. C; 12-31-2011 at 03:13 AM. |
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Noid's card is totally what I expect to happen.
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Now that would be a WM Moment!
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If Rock ISN'T added as an official enforcer or ref for Miz/Cena, I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibility for Miz to win. Miz would cheat for the win and walk away with the belt. But Rock could then come out and cut him off, hit his signatures, and shake Cena's hand to still have the "WM Moment". Triple H/Taker is probably gonna be the main event, so the show will still end on a high note. I'm also not totally convinced that Del Rio will win despite the mega push and the Rumble winner losing 3 months in a row - so the "they won't have two heel champs at the end of Mania" argument doesn't apply.
Backlash is official WM Rematch night anyway, so Cena could wait an extra month to get his commupence - and he'd ostensibly be more vicious after having his title-winning moment stolen from him at WM. Just spitballing ideas here. Cena is 90% likely to win but at least there feels like a CHANCE he could lose unlike the last couple of years. |
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I'm actually pretty sold on The Miz retaining. Don't ask me why. I just cannot see Cena winning the WWE Title at WrestleMania this year, as ridiculous as it sounds. I'll probably pick Cena on Tipsters to be safe, but The Miz retaining would not shock me in the slightest. The Miz defeating John Cena at WrestleMania cements him, but doesn't hurt Cena in any way.
After RAW, I'm also thinking that we see Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus in a US Title match. That would be pretty sick, actually. If Bryan works nearly as well with Sheamus as Morrison does, we'll have ourselves a bit of a cult classic. My biggest fear is that they put Sheamus over. I like the guy, think he's a solid worker, is charismatic, etc. But Daniel Bryan would just gain so much more from a Mania win. Keep his US Title reign going, and just see where it ends. In place of Sheamus and Daniel Bryan in Money in the Bank, you'd probably get Mark Henry and Ted DiBiase, although I'm not excited about either of them being included in the match. I'd much rather see a lower-card RAW guy get a chance in the match. Fuck, perhaps even Santino Marella? He's definitely over enough. |
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Also you gotta consider Cole. He'll probably only call half of the PPV and won't come back after Lawler kicks his ass. They've invested so much energy into his man crush on Miz that it would feel incomplete if Miz lost the belt while Cole wasn't there.
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Cole vs Lawler could easily be the match right afer Cena/Miz right before Taker/HHH
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I'm going to give this another go, and this is less what I want to see, and more what I do think will go down:
World Heavyweight Championship Edge (c) vs. Alberto Del Rio WWE Championship The Miz (c) vs. John Cena Ten Years in the Making The Undertaker vs. Triple H Nexus Banned from Ringside Randy Orton vs. CM Punk Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes Loser Leaves RAW Commentary Team Jerry "The King" Lawler vs. Michael Cole 4-on-1 Handicap Match The Corre vs. Big Show WWE United States Championship Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Sheamus Triple Threat Match for the WWE Divas Championship Eve Torres (c) vs. Michelle McCool vs. Layla Mixed Tag Team Match - If Dolph Ziggler & Vickie Guerrero win, they are re-instated Drew McIntyre & Kelly Kelly vs. Dolph Ziggler & Vickie Guerrero Money in the Bank Ladder Match Chris Masters vs. Christian vs. Evan Bourne vs. Jack Swagger vs. John Morrison vs. Kane vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Mark Henry vs. Santino Marella vs. Ted DiBiase NXT Pro vs. NXT Rookie R-Truth vs. Johnny Curtis Alright, some of this might need some explaining. With Johnny Curtis, I think they have big plans for him. Don't ask me why, it's just my gut feeling. If the WWE wants to make NXT mean something -- anything, then Curtis doing something is a good bet. When Curtis & Truth get their WWE Tag Team Title opportunity against The Corre, I see Curtis turning on Truth, and claiming that he was never there for him, and he's going into business for himself. Cue Truth getting mighty pissed off at Curtis, leading to this match. Truth could also be cost a spot in the Money in the Bank Ladder Match to Ted DiBiase. This leads to Curtis and Truth signing off on their WrestleMania match. Hey, you need a cooler in there somewhere. I'd like to see Christian involved in the World Title program, too, but I think it's unlikely the WWE will actually go ahead with it. I think he'll be involved, and cancel out some heel interference from Brodus Clay (who I think will be hot-shotted to the main roster as Del Rio's bodyguard), but other than that, Money in the Bank is again perfect for Christian. He's a big enough star to make it look like a legitimate title opportunity match, but he's not big enough to be needed elsewhere. I don't think any of the other guys would be a shock to see in the match, besides maybe Santino Marella, but he's getting a sort of sideways push at the moment. You could replace him with essentially anyone, but I could very easily see Santino being in it this year. The Mixed Tag I am not sure of, and we could very easily just see Dolph & Vickie pop-up on RAW, but I could also see them playing their cards right and somehow getting back on SmackDown! in this situation where their jobs are on the line at WrestleMania for good. Drew McIntyre & Kelly Kelly's angle has to be going somewhere, too, right? Eve Torres will be on the PPV, as will LayCool. I see the heels trying to work together to beat Eve, but Trish Stratus costs them the match, and they end up beating each other up to a huge pop. Sheamus and Daniel Bryan warrant their own spot on the card, and this is your courtesy mid-card title match. I would like to have seen The Corre do something more meaningful, but I don't think we will. Big Show has been yelling stuff like "I'll knock you all out!" and we saw Show essentially squash three men (one of them CM Punk) at SummerSlam, the second biggest PPV of the year. If this match happens, though, I expect it to be a ritual killing of Big Show, to further try and get The Corre over as a pack of heels in their WrestleMania debut. Lawler vs. Cole won't so much be a match as a couple of minutes of marking out before Cole takes the Piledriver and is replaced by Jim Ross for the main event matches. Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes is being set-up beautifully, and will happen. CM Punk vs. Randy Orton is pretty much in the same boat, too. The other matches are all confirmed. |
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