Official RAW Thread for 02/21/11 - Watch the rafters, THE STINGER DEBUTS!

[jkman61494]

I can't agree more!! I mean you got the Rock coming back and it seems their 'Mania promo spoiled the probable invovement of Steve Austin somehow. There are selling points right there.

You got Cena giving a rub to Miz. You have Edge and/or Christian rubbing for Del Rio.

You COULD have had Taker doing it for Barrett and HHH for Sheamus. You know, the two major heels on Raw for the better part of 2010. Instead, neither of them have a big match and two men who are faces, have had no past together for years and were both gone for months get a match.

It really is just such a let down to see months of good programming and a really strong youth movement just go by the wayside.

[Fignuts]

Originally Posted by jkman61494 I can't agree more!! I mean you got the Rock coming back and it seems their 'Mania promo spoiled the probable invovement of Steve Austin somehow. There are selling points right there. You got Cena giving a rub to Miz. You have Edge and/or Christian rubbing for Del Rio. You COULD have had Taker doing it for Barrett and HHH for Sheamus. You know, the two major heels on Raw for the better part of 2010. Instead, neither of them have a big match and two men who are faces, have had no past together for years and were both gone for months get a match. It really is just such a let down to see months of good programming and a really strong youth movement just go by the wayside.

They aren't going anywhere. Plenty of time for them to reach that spot.

Frankly, if it is HHH and Taker's last match, I'd rather see them face each other than Barrett and Sheamus. I don't think either of those guys are ready yet, to be in that spot.

And good god, Barrett ending the streak would be underwhelming as all hell. At this point I can't even buy an "up and comer" beating the streak. They've made too big a deal about it. It has to be an icon like HBK or HHH, in my eyes. But that discussion has been done to death.

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by Fignuts They aren't going anywhere. Plenty of time for them to reach that spot. Frankly, if it is HHH and Taker's last match, I'd rather see them face each other than Barrett and Sheamus. I don't think either of those guys are ready yet, to be in that spot. And good god, Barrett ending the streak would be underwhelming as all hell. At this point I can't even buy an "up and comer" beating the streak. They've made too big a deal about it. It has to be an icon like HBK or HHH, in my eyes. But that discussion has been done to death.

fuck that shit, no offense but new blood needs to be brought in, you make new stars by passing the torch not just having the big stars fight amongst themselves. A big star breaking the streak would be utterly pointless. They need to either never break it but have Taker give rub to new guys by having them come really close or if they have a guy who is at the cusp of greatness (Like Barrett was) break it.

I'm just sad cause this Mania is utterly deflating. There's more build up for Christian/Alberto or Kofi/Alberto then Edge/Alberto, Cena/Miz build is good but I'm utterly convinced it's just gonna be Cena wins all over again, Punk/Orton will be fine cause Punk is awesome, and what Barrett vs Show? Lame.

[Fignuts]

Originally Posted by Lara Emily fuck that shit, no offense but new blood needs to be brought in, you make new stars by passing the torch not just having the big stars fight amongst themselves. A big star breaking the streak would be utterly pointless. They need to either never break it but have Taker give rub to new guys by having them come really close or if they have a guy who is at the cusp of greatness (Like Barrett was) break it. I'm just sad cause this Mania is utterly deflating. There's more build up for Christian/Alberto or Kofi/Alberto then Edge/Alberto, Cena/Miz build is good but I'm utterly convinced it's just gonna be Cena wins all over again, Punk/Orton will be fine cause Punk is awesome, and what Barrett vs Show? Lame.

Let's just agree to disagree on the streak thing, because that issue has divided the whole internet, and all we'll be doing is arguing in circles. It's personal preference at this point.

As for Barrett and Sheamus being in big matches with Taker and HHH, well it just wouldn't work right now. When it comes to making a star at mania, I don't belive you can do it by just throwing them in a match and hoping for the best. There has to be a proper build to it. Maybe, if Sheamus and Barrett had kept their momentum up until now, but they haven't. Sheamus has been stuck in the midcard, and Barret has been floundering in Corre the last couple months.

It would feel underwhelming to me if they went up against Taker and HHH. Maybe if they would have kept up on their big pushes all this time. But they didn't. So at this point, I'd rather see HHH vs Taker than try and awkwardly fix what could have been.

[jkman61494]

Originally Posted by Fignuts Let's just agree to disagree on the streak thing, because that issue has divided the whole internet, and all we'll be doing is arguing in circles. It's personal preference at this point. As for Barrett and Sheamus being in big matches with Taker and HHH, well it just wouldn't work right now. When it comes to making a star at mania, I don't belive you can do it by just throwing them in a match and hoping for the best. There has to be a proper build to it. Maybe, if Sheamus and Barrett had kept their momentum up until now, but they haven't. Sheamus has been stuck in the midcard, and Barret has been floundering in Corre the last couple months. It would feel underwhelming to me if they went up against Taker and HHH. Maybe if they would have kept up on their big pushes all this time. But they didn't. So at this point, I'd rather see HHH vs Taker than try and awkwardly fix what could have been.

So Sheamus injuring HHH to the point he misses almost a year, and Barrett "burying" Taker aren't proper builds to matches, but HHH showing up out of nowhere to confront Undertaker, say nothing except look at a WrestleMania sign is? Ummm Ok.

Look I'll agree with you that those two have been booked as weak. I just wrote a small book about that already. I'll concede with how weak they look, the drama isn't there.

But to me, they at least makse sense! The best case feud here that's discussed is HHH is coming back to defend his friends honor, and oh by the way I'll put my career on the line too! It's forced not to mention completely uninventive. Meanwhile we the fans are supposed to believe storyline wise that HHH doesn't want to get revenge on a guy who shelved him and Taker is just going to ignore the guy who led to him having to rise up yet again?

It's just awful awful booking.

I mean honestly, if they would have brought back HHH a month ago and start building this then? Then super! HHH could have come out, talking about the fact that since his time away he's been able to reflect on what happened at "Mania, and how life hasn't been the same since he lost his friend because of the Undertaker. And he will hunt that man down and pay for this. HHH leaves the arena and we are left to guess what's up

This could have led to those 2/21/11 videos. Is that Taker in the shack? Is it HHH devising a plan? Two weeks later we see Taker is in there, but those boots outside? Is that HHH lurking in the shadows? Someone else?


But now we get this dreck, and two of their promising stars are buried in the process.

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by jkman61494 So Sheamus injuring HHH to the point he misses almost a year, and Barrett "burying" Taker aren't proper builds to matches, but HHH showing up out of nowhere to confront Undertaker, say nothing except look at a WrestleMania sign is? Ummm Ok. Look I'll agree with you that those two have been booked as weak. I just wrote a small book about that already. I'll concede with how weak they look, the drama isn't there. But to me, they at least makse sense! The best case feud here that's discussed is HHH is coming back to defend his friends honor, and oh by the way I'll put my career on the line too! It's forced not to mention completely uninventive. Meanwhile we the fans are supposed to believe storyline wise that HHH doesn't want to get revenge on a guy who shelved him and Taker is just going to ignore the guy who led to him having to rise up yet again? It's just awful awful booking. I mean honestly, if they would have brought back HHH a month ago and start building this then? Then super! HHH could have come out, talking about the fact that since his time away he's been able to reflect on what happened at "Mania, and how life hasn't been the same since he lost his friend because of the Undertaker. And he will hunt that man down and pay for this. HHH leaves the arena and we are left to guess what's up This could have led to those 2/21/11 videos. Is that Taker in the shack? Is it HHH devising a plan? Two weeks later we see Taker is in there, but those boots outside? Is that HHH lurking in the shadows? Someone else? But now we get this dreck, and two of their promising stars are buried in the process.

Again this... All of this

You know they should have just not done the 2.21.11 thing, it absolutely over hyped what amounted to some fan pyro/lighting and then a what seemed like 10 minute stare down, it was utterally boring.