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Old 02-22-2011, 01:36 AM   #401
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R-Truth did the best selling tonight of the Chamber.
He sold it so well he didn't even show up to Raw!
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:28 AM   #402
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He can talk just not as a face.

It's funny he works a face style but talks a heel style.
There's nothing wrong with this if it's done right. Austin (97-99) and Orton (Present) work and talk like heels, but were faces. Most people around here, including myself, seem to like Cena better when he was a face who talked like a heel. Triple H tends to talk like a heel, and sometimes works like a heel, when he is a face. Being a face who talks like a heel can and does work and has been proven to potentially get a guy over.

Morrison can be a face with some of the cocky heelish attitude he had back when he tagged with Miz as long as he is booked right. Just have him talk down to his opponents, avoid talking down to the fans, and occasionally give a nod to the fans here and there (like when Austin adopted the "Give me a 'Hell Yeah!'")

I can't say if this style would work for Morrison, but it's damn well worth a try. Despite his lacking mic skills, we've been seeing some of the best damn ring work we've ever seen from Morrison as a face because he is encouraged to go for those crazy acrobatic spots to get the crowd to pop. heels can't really do that. I hope they don't turn Morrison heel because I enjoy watching him in the ring right now more than anyone else they have, and if done right, a feud between him and Punk has Epic written all over it. Maybe the two of them could headline Wrestlemania next year.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:19 AM   #403
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Both he and Punk did a bang up job tonight selling the EC match from last night. Funny that Cena and Orton were perfectly fine *sigh*
To be fair, Orton and Cena didn't take as brutal of shots as Punk and Morrison.

If anyone should be called out for not selling, it's Barrett. Didn't he go through the glass twice?

There are two kinds of big spots in the EC. The high flyer spot, and the glass spot. Anyone who is the victim in the glass spot should be selling like crazy the next time you see him. Let alone someone who does it twice.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:21 AM   #404
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That said I agree they looked a little too spry, given how hyped EC is as deadly match.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:40 AM   #405
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To be fair, Orton and Cena didn't take as brutal of shots as Punk and Morrison.

If anyone should be called out for not selling, it's Barrett. Didn't he go through the glass twice?

There are two kinds of big spots in the EC. The high flyer spot, and the glass spot. Anyone who is the victim in the glass spot should be selling like crazy the next time you see him. Let alone someone who does it twice.
Normally I'd agree with you, but I'd rather everyone just forget what happened to Barrett at EC, in his case it might be a good idea not to sell what was essentially him getting squashed and really Barrett just walked to the ring and talked, he didn't wrestle or run around like Orton did so not the same thing.

Orton got pretty beat up.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:43 AM   #406
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:12 AM   #407
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I wish Undertaker and Triple H didn't return. Watching Triple H come down the aisle made me feel like it was 2008 again.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:04 AM   #408
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Fuck off with all this "boring" and "whatta bout sheamus?!?!" fucking shit. Triple H and Undertaker sold fucking $60 a pop ppv without saying a word. Read the emotion in their eyes and the warbling of Triple H's throat as he finally confronts the man who ended the career of his best friend. Triple H and Undertaker did what 98% of the roster...including your precious fucking Sheamus and Barrett CAN'T DO...sell a moment and a match off pure emotion and intensity. There are no words that can describe the goosebumps I felt when Triple H and Undertaker locked eyes. There are no words that can describe the feeling that overtook my body when two of the absolute biggest stars in the history of professional wrestling set the stage for an epic encounter on the grandest stage of them all.

You people bitch about poor midcarders and stifled pushes. You stay bitter, angry, and constantly bitching about what could have been. Accept this gift Vince McMahon has chosen to give us this year. I along with millions around the world will enjoy this epic encounter between two immortals of the wrestling world. Triple H vs The Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Vince, here is $60 may I please have another!
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:08 AM   #409
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:11 AM   #410
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:53 AM   #411
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Triple H and Undertaker sold fucking $60 a pop ppv without saying a word.
Your undying love for HHH aside, I totally agree with this. Best part of the show.

However, the fear (and justifiably so) is the long run cost of this epicness. Is this going to be along the lines of Undertaker "feature attraction", sporadic appearances that make the world go nucking futs? Or, will this end up becoming business as usual where Hunter is on every TV show 40 minutes every week for 10 months straight after 'mania and everyone gets sick of seeing him and the bitching for new blood again gets louder? Not like there's history behind that or anything... oh wait, there is.
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Old 02-22-2011, 11:44 AM   #413
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Fuck off with all this "boring" and "whatta bout sheamus?!?!" fucking shit. Triple H and Undertaker sold fucking $60 a pop ppv without saying a word. Read the emotion in their eyes and the warbling of Triple H's throat as he finally confronts the man who ended the career of his best friend. Triple H and Undertaker did what 98% of the roster...including your precious fucking Sheamus and Barrett CAN'T DO...sell a moment and a match off pure emotion and intensity. There are no words that can describe the goosebumps I felt when Triple H and Undertaker locked eyes. There are no words that can describe the feeling that overtook my body when two of the absolute biggest stars in the history of professional wrestling set the stage for an epic encounter on the grandest stage of them all.

You people bitch about poor midcarders and stifled pushes. You stay bitter, angry, and constantly bitching about what could have been. Accept this gift Vince McMahon has chosen to give us this year. I along with millions around the world will enjoy this epic encounter between two immortals of the wrestling world. Triple H vs The Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. Vince, here is $60 may I please have another!
Well given you have HHH's logo as your avatar here, I'm going to assume you kinda sorta love H. So your opinion of the matter might be just a tad bit biased.

Now you raise good points about selling a moment. These two have done it before. But how did they do that last night? They stared at each other, they looked at some logo, and then proceeded to take two minutes to use all their non-verbal taunts and wow we have a match!

I'll admit too my point is a bit biased too. I was totally sold on the youth movement going on in the WWE as they were in a desperate need to have one. With HBK retiring, Y2J, Batista leaving and HHH and Taker being hurt every other PPV the roster was depleted.

And the writers for a period of about five-seven months did a superb job of elevating wrestlers into credible main eventers. And now, on the one show a fan will buy merely because of its name, they had a chance for these guys to showcase WHY they were in these spots.

Instead we get a recycled match that will do neither wrestler any good, AND stunts the growth of the future.

I love HHH and Taker, but I totally disagree with you that there was a good build to this match last night. You want a good build with the heat of him losing his friend? Have HHH try to superkick him to end the segment. THAT would have gotten a lot of people such as myself pretty happy.
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:07 PM   #414
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I just hated how abrupt HHH's "return" was. There was no pause or anything between the entrances. HHH's music just started playing all of a sudden. I mean, I see why it was like that because it was a silent promo and Taker couldn't really talk about anything. But It's almost like they threw that segment together 20 minutes before it was set to go live.

"Dunn: ok, so Taker goes out, HHH goes out, you get together and do your classic taunts and then you'll both stare at the Mania sign and we're good. No moving on to Sheam....nah fuck him"

I was just hoping for the spectacular HHH return that we are used to seeing. If they weren't going to use Sheamus/HHH, then I would of at least had Sheamus come out and confront Taker and then HHH makes his grand return. Lays out Sheamus real quick and Taker/HHH do there shit.
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:38 PM   #415
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Honestly, Loose you are onto something...

You want to book Sheamus well and still make everyone happy?

You could have had Sheamus look real strong in the past weeks instead of a noob by having him take out people left and right until he gets on the mic and says something along the lines of "there is not one living person in this world who can take down King Sheamus". That's when the lights go out and bam you have a feud.

At WM, you have Sheamus dominate the Taker using some classic heel moves. But just as Sheamus is about to take him out with a chair or something with a ref out BAM... Time to play the game.

HHH comes out, destroys Sheamus with a sledge hammer so he's now "shelved" and Taker wins and goes 19-0. Following the match, you have the type of staredown you saw on Raw except HHH takes out Taker setting up a post Mania feud.


You would have given the rub to a young star instead of stunting his growth.

Taker keeps his streak going.

HHH fans get to see a WrestleMania moment and still gets to see a Taker/HHH feud in the spring.
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Old 02-22-2011, 12:55 PM   #416
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It's a big enough "risk" for WWE to have Miz main event as Champion alongside Cena and more than likely The Rock and also having Del Rio win this year's Royal Rumble. To me, that's a huge leap for WWE's main event scene.

If you then go ahead with HHH/Sheamus and Taker/Barrett, there is no marquee match that stands out in terms of all-around "proven" star power. I think if you polled the audience, 95 out of 100 fans would rather see Taker and Triple H square off than the HHH/Sheamus and Taker/Barrett possibilities (even if they continued their strong pushes). Basically, when push comes to shove, WWE wants to make the most amount of money possible at WrestleMania, so they turned to their two biggest cash cows, The Undertaker and Triple H. I for one can't wait.
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When was the last time HHH had a truly remarkable match. Just curious.
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Old 02-22-2011, 01:24 PM   #418
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LOL. Wrestlemania is the biggest show of the year. THey want to make matches that appeal to everyone, and make it must see.

Takers Streak Vs HHH (Who has been the dominant champ in the WWE for the better part of 10 years) is going to sell more than Taker Vs Wade, or HHH vs Sheamus.

Do you REALLY think, that after the last two WM matches he has had, and how huge the steak has been made, that they would ever take the Taker down to a Sheamus or Wade match.

If anyone thinks that, you are too SMARK for your own good.

HHH will get back to Sheamus right after WM, mark it.

And you fuckers complaining about the same old matches, and how the young guys are getting pissed on...

You do realize we are possibly 6 weeks away from seeing the Miz and Del Rio, the two new age poster boys, walk out of the event as champs.
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There are no words that can describe the goosebumps I felt when Triple H and Undertaker locked eyes. There are no words that can describe the feeling that overtook my body when two of the absolute biggest stars in the history of professional wrestling set the stage for an epic encounter on the grandest stage of them all.
Gay. Also the laziest setup for any WM match I've ever seen.
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Well given you have HHH's logo as your avatar here, I'm going to assume you kinda sorta love H. So your opinion of the matter might be just a tad bit biased.
Only a tad bit biased..
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:47 PM   #421
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LOL. Wrestlemania is the biggest show of the year. THey want to make matches that appeal to everyone, and make it must see.

Takers Streak Vs HHH (Who has been the dominant champ in the WWE for the better part of 10 years) is going to sell more than Taker Vs Wade, or HHH vs Sheamus.

Do you REALLY think, that after the last two WM matches he has had, and how huge the steak has been made, that they would ever take the Taker down to a Sheamus or Wade match.

If anyone thinks that, you are too SMARK for your own good.

HHH will get back to Sheamus right after WM, mark it.

And you fuckers complaining about the same old matches, and how the young guys are getting pissed on...

You do realize we are possibly 6 weeks away from seeing the Miz and Del Rio, the two new age poster boys, walk out of the event as champs.
To be fair, I MIGHT be able to buy Sheamus vs HHH if Sheamus was booked strongly during HHH's absence. Afterall, they did square off at the last mania.

But yeah, that was what I was saying earlier. The Michaels matches set a precedent for the streak matches. Wade has come far, but he is not ready for that huge a match up yet, imo. Even if he had continued to have been booked strongly instead of stagnating in Corre, I still wouldn't buy him as a legit threat.

Part of making stars is not just giving them that huge moment at mania, but building to make sure that moment is believable. That is why I still don't buy sheamus as a main eventer. He was rushed onto the scene without the proper build.

I feel like they are trying to replicate the meteoric rise of Lesnar with some of these guys, but that kind of thing is one and a million, imo.
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Well given you have HHH's logo as your avatar here, I'm going to assume you kinda sorta love H. So your opinion of the matter might be just a tad bit biased.

Now you raise good points about selling a moment. These two have done it before. But how did they do that last night? They stared at each other, they looked at some logo, and then proceeded to take two minutes to use all their non-verbal taunts and wow we have a match!

I'll admit too my point is a bit biased too. I was totally sold on the youth movement going on in the WWE as they were in a desperate need to have one. With HBK retiring, Y2J, Batista leaving and HHH and Taker being hurt every other PPV the roster was depleted.

And the writers for a period of about five-seven months did a superb job of elevating wrestlers into credible main eventers. And now, on the one show a fan will buy merely because of its name, they had a chance for these guys to showcase WHY they were in these spots.

Instead we get a recycled match that will do neither wrestler any good, AND stunts the growth of the future.

I love HHH and Taker, but I totally disagree with you that there was a good build to this match last night. You want a good build with the heat of him losing his friend? Have HHH try to superkick him to end the segment. THAT would have gotten a lot of people such as myself pretty happy.
OMG! THEY ARE RECYCLING A MATCH FROM 10 YEARS AGO AND UNDERTAKER HAS A DIFFERENT GIMMICK AND HHH IS A FACE NOW BUT THAT STILL SUXORZ CUZ I WANNA SEE SHEAMUS GET A PUSH!?!?!?!
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lol at Sheamus DOING THE JOB to Henry. Bout time. The guy was given too much too quick anyways. I forget that he's a former WWE Champion. He doesn't deserve Triple H at WrestleMania
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I am too happy about Mark Henry getting a clean win, to care about Sheamus.
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Wanna make it clear that I am 100% on the Taker/HHH side, as the match should happen instead of HHH/Sheamus, but...

It's annoying how WWE is so inconsistent with pushing Sheamus. I miss the days where if you won the World Title, you never went back down the card, and if you did, it was in a highly promoted grudge match. In the end it just makes the belt look shitty. They've done it to Swagger, and now to Sheamus.
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I would like to see HHH and Taker get closure on the people that put them out of action. Both could have been okay non-Mania PPV matches, but there isn't time for them between now and Mania except on Raw. I'm fine with that. Sheamus wouldn't have beaten HHH and Barrett wouldn't have beaten Taker because they are heels. That's just how the feuds would have ended. Just finish them both on Raw and let Sheamus and Barrett move onto other things.
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Yes, really. Punk knows how to tell a story in the ring better than most, and Morrison can pull off spots that no one else can. Epic. Deal with it.
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It would be very good. Maybe even great. But not epic. That word gets thrown around far too much. Michaels vs Taker I & II were epic. HHH vs Taker has potential to be epic. Everything else can only hope to be great.
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It would be very good. Maybe even great. But not epic. That word gets thrown around far too much. Michaels vs Taker I & II were epic. HHH vs Taker has potential to be epic. Everything else can only hope to be great.
Semantics.

HHH vs. Taker will be good, but I will be surprised if it is great, let alone "epic." HHH has a limited moveset, and half of them involve a sledgehammer. Taker is getting more and more limited with every match he has. At this point, both men are pretty injury prone. The reason HBK vs Taker was "epic" is because it was HBK. Like him or not, HBK has always had the ability to bring whoever he was performing with up to his level. The guy can have a match with virtually anyone, and steal the show. He is Mr. Wrestlemania for a reason. But there is also a reason that in their prime, HBK was having 20 minute matches, 30 minute matches, iron man matches, etc. while Taker usually had 5-10 minute matches max. Taker's entrance is incredible, the story he tells in the ring is good, but even in his prime his actual matches themselves (unless a gimmick was involved) were subpar at best. HHH is similar in that he can have a great match with someone like HBK, Austin, or Rock, but he needs someone of that level to play off of. The quality of both Taker's and HHH's matches are dependent on who they are in the ring with, and whether or not that person can put on a hell of a match.

I love HHH and I love Taker, but they are best suited at squashing people in short matches, unless paired with an HBK or a Rock. Don't expect a repeat of what HBK and Taker were able to do.
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Between the HHH/Taker promo and the first half of the Lawler interview, at least we know that WWE writers don't get paid by the word.
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You guys act like Movesets and work rate make classic moments.

Did you even see Rock vs Hogan?

Easily the BEST match that Wrestlemania, and one of the 5 greatest matches ever IMHO. I dont just look at the moves. There is a story, back story, and history involved.

You have to look at it in Kayfabe as well.

HHH poses the biggest threat to the Streak now, and possibly for the last 5 Wreslemanias or so. He is the Game. Game Vs the Streak. And if they add a major strip like has been mentioned, then you have a game changer. No pun intended.
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Wrong. We act like movesets and work rate make for classic MATCHES. Despite the fact that everyone talks about WrestleMania moments, I doubt that many people are paying 60 bucks just to watch a moment that will be replayed on youtube, Raw, Smackdown, etc. Ultimately, the majority of us want good matches to give the moments meaning.

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Easily the BEST match that Wrestlemania, and one of the 5 greatest matches ever IMHO.
That's because The Rock can wrestle. HBK vs Hogan at SummerSlam was also a great match. Because HBK can wrestle. Did you see Hogan vs. McMahon at Wrestlemania XIX? Great build. Plenty of story. And arguably a story that had been building for decades. Or at least since Hogan defected to WCW. But a pretty bad match because neither man can wrestle. Hell they had to make it a street fight just to cover up the fact that they can't wrestle.

Hogan is the first name that comes to mainstream minds when they think of wrestling, but let's not forget that the majority of mainstream media and mainstream audiences (nonwrestling fans) don't take wrestling very seriously. Many even see it as a joke. Coincidence? This is why so many celebrities won't come near anything associated with wrestling, and one of the reasons The Rock has been gone for so long. He had to distance himself from wrestling just so Hollywood would take him seriously.

Moments are great, but forgive us if many of us tune into wrestling and like to see....um.....wrestling. Isn't that way so many people here argue that Smackdown is superior to Raw? Because Smackdown is more wrestling oriented while Raw is more about "moments."

It seems to me that you are more interested in the kind of wrestling that was made fun of in the South Park episode, "W.T.F." Which, coincidently, is how most people in the mainstream view pro wrestling, and why so many see it as a joke. If you haven't seen that episode, I recommend that you check it out. It's about you
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On to something else besides HHH/Taker...

Something else happened on RAW that went largely unnoticed, and that was Cena's "freestyle" promo. Now it wasn't so much the promo itself that I want to point out, but the style. Nevermind that the PG poster boy went to a few things he would have disqualifed Punk and Barrett for in that match a few weeks ago, but one thing that I wanted to point out was his change in tone for the delivery.

For a brief moment, he went back to the Cena the haters are holding out for. He ditched the "happy go lucky" and "poopie joke" Cena to the stance of taking Rock's comments seriously.

It's good to see some of that edge back in the character, even for just a moment, but I for one just wish this would have happened vs. Nexus instead of just folding them into comedy relief and keeping kid-friendly Cena during "the greatest threat ever to WWE". So, 7 guys constantly jumping your star player and even making him their bitch for a couple weeks doesn't harden him at all, but a few insults from The People's Champ makes him get all serious? I know it seems like I just contradicted how I feel about what happened in the same paragraph, but I'm just sayin'... it was great to see Ruck Fules Cena for a second, just wish it was done a little sooner to make more sense on the whole and maybe quell some of the backlash against the guy.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
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On to something else besides HHH/Taker...

Something else happened on RAW that went largely unnoticed, and that was Cena's "freestyle" promo. Now it wasn't so much the promo itself that I want to point out, but the style. Nevermind that the PG poster boy went to a few things he would have disqualifed Punk and Barrett for in that match a few weeks ago, but one thing that I wanted to point out was his change in tone for the delivery.

For a brief moment, he went back to the Cena the haters are holding out for. He ditched the "happy go lucky" and "poopie joke" Cena to the stance of taking Rock's comments seriously.

It's good to see some of that edge back in the character, even for just a moment, but I for one just wish this would have happened vs. Nexus instead of just folding them into comedy relief and keeping kid-friendly Cena during "the greatest threat ever to WWE". So, 7 guys constantly jumping your star player and even making him their bitch for a couple weeks doesn't harden him at all, but a few insults from The People's Champ makes him get all serious? I know it seems like I just contradicted how I feel about what happened in the same paragraph, but I'm just sayin'... it was great to see Ruck Fules Cena for a second, just wish it was done a little sooner to make more sense on the whole and maybe quell some of the backlash against the guy.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
Oh I couldn't agree more. Cena alone ruined the Nexus angle for me because if the guy taking a stand against them cant act like they are a serious threat then how can they be looked at as a serious threat. Suddenly they felt more like The Spirit Squad back in 06 when they were the butt of every DX joke (sometimes literally) every week. If Cena would have suddenly got serious after that first night when they beat him down, and gave it a no more mr nice guy attitude, I think the angle would have been a lot better.
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Oh fuck off. Have you been watching wrestling for longer than a year? Have you ever seen Triple H wrestle? He is the definition of RING GENERAL.
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Fucking idiotic statement. He better not bitch if he busts out the indian deathlock or crossface. Also, he only has like 3 moves with the sledgehammer (to the face, to the sternum, to the skull).
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