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Old 03-09-2011, 12:01 AM   #1041
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its Avery...cooooooommmmmeeeeeee onnnnnnnnnnnn

I wasn't being sarcastic, I find Tim Thomas to be absolutely loveable, in part because he's an angry fella

Like he's often just super pissed at himself when a goal goes in and he shows it, it's kinda funny and pretty entertaining. To boot he's a great goalie with a great story, he was drafted in 94 didn't make his NHL debut until 2002-2003 (where he played all of 4 games) and wasn't a starter until 2005-2006, now he's a vezina winner. A total out of nowhere success story, what's not to admire.
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Ah, ok. I mean he normally has a good disposition. Sarcasm is difficult to send through font.
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:15 AM   #1043
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Nah he's known to be an angry fella, but it's not a bad thing, it's a good thing

This is a good piece on Timmy http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/james_duthie/?id=255419

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Thomas makes ugly, ridiculous, impossible saves nightly. And just to make things interesting, he's occasionally awful. When that happens, when he flips when he should have flopped, he gets so mad at himself, it looks like David Banner turning into The Hulk.
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He grew up in Flint, Michigan, around the time Michael Moore made "Roger and Me", a movie about the town dying. His Dad, Tim Sr., was a used car salesman at a time when no one in Flint could afford a car. So he sold apples door-to-door. He'd sell ten bushels, use some of the money to buy seven more, and give those to Tim to sell. That's how Jr. raised his money to play hockey.
When things got really bad, his parents pawned their wedding rings to pay for Tim to go to a goalie school. The son didn't find out until his Dad bought his Mom a new one many years later.
He wore the same beaten up pads for years, repairing them over and over until they… well… disintegrated.
"I was playing for the Lakeland Jets and (former NHLer) Joe Murphy was skating with us while he was holding out with the Oilers," Thomas says. "He took a shot and it literally went right through my pad and out the backside."
Murphy would do more for the young goalie than give him a great story for beer-night. Thomas was a never-see-the-ice third stringer on that Lakeland junior team, so he started playing forward. But right after the Christmas break, the starting goalie missed his flight back from Alaska and the back-up got in a car accident. So Thomas took all the shots in practice. As he was skating off the ice, he heard Murphy say to the coach: "Why aren't you playing that guy?"
So he did. Every game for the rest of the year. That launched Thomas on a netminding odyssey that would take him to, in chronological order: Vermont (University), Helsinki, Birmingham (ECHL), Houston (IHL), Hamilton (AHL), Helsinki (again), Detroit (IHL), Sweden, back to Finland, Providence (AHL), Boston (cup of coffee), Providence, Helsinki (this is getting silly), Providence, and finally, at the age of 32, Boston…to stay.
"It never once crossed my mind to quit," Thomas says. "But at one point, I did make peace with the fact I'd be playing in Europe for the rest of my career."
He might have, except that when a bunch of other NHL goalies came over to Europe during the lockout, Thomas outplayed them all, and forced the Bruins to take another look. Three years later, they're still looking.
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His competitiveness is legendary. As a junior, he was invited to the U.S Olympic Festival, essentially a tryout camp for the World Juniors. The players were split into four squads and played a round-robin. Thomas played half of each of the four games, and gave up just one goal as his team won the tournament. The other goalie on his squad gave up 11, and he was the one picked for the World Junior team.
"I was so mad," recalls Thomas. "USA Hockey had bought me a dozen sticks, and it was the first time anyone had bought me sticks so it was huge for me. Well, I went in the back room and demolished every stick against the wall. I was irate."
Even better story: when he played at Vermont, he once got so mad after being scored on, he picked up the puck and launched it at the scoreboard, shattering lights and causing a fireworks show reminiscent of Roy Hobbs last homerun in The Natural. And that was in practice.
"There were pieces of light falling over the ice," says St Louis, chuckling. "It was hilarious."
Just watch Thomas when he loses a shootout. He sprints off the ice like someone tossed a grenade in his net. Like they're going to send him back to Flint to sell apples.
Somewhat sadly, we're not seeing many of those Thomas tantrums anymore (Angry Tim is my favorite Tim). He just doesn't get scored on much. He was an All-Star last year and his .944 save percentage leads the NHL this season.
And yet, so typical of his Dangerfield existence, he was left off the All-Star ballot. There they go. Doubting Thomas. Again.
"I'm going to have to disappoint you and give you a 'No comment' on that one," he says. That's okay. Sometimes "No comment" says more than a dozen quoted paragraphs.
One time after let up a game winning goal to Mike Richards picked the puck out of the night threw it into the air and batted it away with his stick.
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0 games for Chara...

Common sense tells you the hit was 100% revenge...but Chara's been clean for 13 years. If it were Matt Cooke that did this, you'd hang him out to dry because of his past history. Since Chara doesn't have that type of history, he shouldn't get a massive suspension, but he shouldn't have got a pass either.

Little side note...Colin Campbell's son Gregory plays for the Bruins.
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pathetic, the NHL is such a bush league
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:57 PM   #1047
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Little side note...Colin Campbell's son Gregory plays for the Bruins.
I'm pretty sure Colin Campbell isn't allowed to make decisions when it comes to a team his son is on. Remember hearing about it on NHL Live like 2 years ago when his son was on the Panthers and something happened.


At any rate I think Chara should of gotten a few games even with 13 years without an incident.
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Chara should have been a bit more aware seeing first hand how devastating those types of hits can be to a team with Marc Savard out for the year.

Can't completely blame him since Bruins-Canadians games tend to be more emotional and physical especially the past few years but at the same time, he can't just do reckless hits causing the team to lose him for a series of games due to a stupid mistake by him.
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The right call was made. Chara maybe should have known his surroundings better but if that opening isn't there, we aren't even thinking about this.

Some really dumb comments from some of you.
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The right call was made. Chara maybe should have known his surroundings better but if that opening isn't there, we aren't even thinking about this.

Some really dumb comments from some of you.
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BROSSARD, Quebec (AP)—Montreal Canadiens forward Max Pacioretty(notes) has a severe concussion and a fractured vertebra from a frightening hit by Boston’s Zdeno Chara(notes) that will not draw further discipline from the NHL.
Pacioretty fractured the fourth cervical vertebra and is in a hospital under observation, Canadiens coach Jacques Martin said Wednesday.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slu...ens-pacioretty

I'd agree with the no previous thing of this sort, but the fact remains, Chara knew what he was doing, knew where he was and most of all knows his hits send people flying.

Thats besides the fact, it was a borderline illegal hit.

Its alright to defend your team, but drawn the line somewhere man.
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The right call was made. Chara maybe should have known his surroundings better but if that opening isn't there, we aren't even thinking about this.

Some really dumb comments from some of you.
Look at the video, Spilly. Chara had his head up. He knew where he was. I'm not saying he intended to kill Pacioretti, but I do think he meant to put him into that divider. He doesn't even body him into the boards. It looks like he pushes him.

Even if he didn't see the divider, part of a player's job is to know his position on the ice. If the divider isn't there, the hit is still dirty because it's well after Pacioretti has gotten rid of the puck.

Even if Chara didn't have intent on the hit, it doesn't matter. If I have a gun and I'm waving it around and accidentally shoot someone, I'm fucked, whether I intended to or not. He should've got at least a few games suspension.
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Wow... you guys are so smart.

You guys should be on the discipline committee. You would do a much better job.
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First video Lara posted is awful by the way. Bruins commentators trying to justify it. Stupid.
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Hell, a TORONTO fan is voicing opinion against Chara for a hit on a Montreal player.

Just because its a player on a team I root for doesnt matter, hell if it was Kessel I would say the same thing.

fact of the matter is, the kid is what 20-21 years old and may not play hockey again. Chara knows full well the severity of hits like that, as he fucking witnessed one when Savard was laid out.
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Here Spilly, justify this.

Look at Charas left arm muscle, he is pushing with it.
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Simply put, being a fan of a team doesnt make them immune from your ridicule. Do you think Pens fans for one second condone Matt Cooke's hit on Savard?

Ask LoDownM who is a Pitts fan whether he tried to defend Cooke. I dont believe he did, he knew it was a dirty hit.

Being a fan is about loving the franchise, it is not about defending any actions of the players wearing the sweater.
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Simply put, being a fan of a team doesnt make them immune from your ridicule. Do you think Pens fans for one second condone Matt Cooke's hit on Savard?

Ask LoDownM who is a Pitts fan whether he tried to defend Cooke. I dont believe he did, he knew it was a dirty hit.

Being a fan is about loving the franchise, it is not about defending any actions of the players wearing the sweater.

Only thing I ever said about the Cooke hit on Savard is that it was legal at the time. It was still a cheap hit and I'm glad it's now against the rules.
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Yeah, at the time it was a "clean" hit.

I know what you meant but still
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Yeah, at the time it was a "clean" hit.

I know what you meant but still
I didn't say it was clean i said it was legal

I'm not condoning it, but I think it's a bad example because technically it wasn't an illegal hit at the time, it was a kind of hit that Scott Stevens built a career on.

But now thankfully the NHL had said enough is enough (though they really haven't) and deemed it an illegal hit from here on out and to that I say great.

So basically I condemn the Cooke hit while at the same time support the NHL decision at the time to not suspend him.


With this Chara hit though it was already an illegal hit, Chara had no business making that hit and to boot from replays it certainly looks liked he purposely gave Pacioretty an extra shove that caused him to go right into that turnbuckle.
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I didn't say it was clean i said it was legal

I'm not condoning it, but I think it's a bad example because technically it wasn't an illegal hit at the time, it was a kind of hit that Scott Stevens built a career on.

But now thankfully the NHL had said enough is enough (though they really haven't) and deemed it an illegal hit from here on out and to that I say great.

So basically I condemn the Cooke hit while at the same time support the NHL decision at the time to not suspend him.


With this Chara hit though it was already an illegal hit, Chara had no business making that hit and to boot from replays it certainly looks liked he purposely gave Pacioretty an extra shove that caused him to gro right into that turnbuckle.
Im sorry, but the turnbuckle comment has me in stitches.

Anyways, I agree with what you are saying. Im glad NHL started to crack down on pieces of crap like Cooke.
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357316.

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"It's been an emotional day. I saw the video for the first time this morning. You see the hit, I've got a fractured vertebrae, I'm in hospital and I thought the league would do something, a little something," said Pacioretty.

"I'm not talking a big number, I don't know, one game, two games, three games...whatever, but something to show that it's not right."
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"I heard (Chara) said he didn't mean to do it. I felt he did mean to do it. I would feel better if he said he made a mistake and that he was sorry for doing that, I could forgive that, but I guess he's talking about how I jumped up or something."

"I believe he was trying to guide my head into the turnbuckle. We all know where the turnbuckle is. It wasn't a head shot like a lot of head shots we see but I do feel he targeted my head into the turnbuckle."
Still can't believe Chara got away with nothing, not even a fucking fine.
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Oh, wasnt aware it was actually called a turnbuckle lol.

Though, straight from the guys mouth. He didnt feel it was a mistake.
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He did get the one automatic game though for a 5 minute major correct?

So he's not scot-free.... just not getting anymore than he did....
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19:44 Boston interference - 5 min Z. Chara drawn by M. Pacioretty served by S. Thornton
19:44 Boston game misconduct - 10 min Z. Chara drawn by M. Pacioretty

From yahoo.

I dont believe he gets the one game suspension though. Even Pac said he wished Chara got even one game.
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From what I can tell, he added to his PIM total and thats about it.
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Yup, no suspension AT ALL.

The Montreal police opened an investigation about the event by the way.
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I wonder if people accusing Chara of doing this on purpose are taking into account the physics, timing, and execution such a ‘perfect’ plan would require. But a conspiracy theory makes for better reading than bad luck.

Air Canada is a such a fucking joke too. I’m sure glad they took this stance last year when Marc Savard was maimed in what was a vicious elbow. Oh that’s right, they didn’t say a fucking word because it wasn’t a Montreal Canadien that had to be scraped off the ice.
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Air Canada? What about them?

And Spilchuk, when's the last time you've played hockey? I can tell you that the way they were going, it didn't take a "master plan" to get Pacioretty like this. They were side by side, near the glass, and Chara is so fucking huge. Pushing someone out of balance on skates is very easy, and at the speed they were going, of course it wasn't going to end well. Trust me.
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If the glass isn't open is this even talked about?
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Not even close!
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That's the thing you don't seem to understand. OF COURSE it's not talked about if the glass isn't there. But Chara saw an opportunity to get even and took it. Pacioretty hit him after the overtime goal in January, Chara didn't like it. He tried to get his hands on him in February, couldn't. Now he had his opportunity, and took it. That's it.

It wasn't a huge conspiracy by Chara to deliberately get Pacioretty near the glass and then behead him, we get that. They just happened to be there, he saw his chance to get even, he made the cheap push to get him in the glass, the consequences were much worse than he anticipated, but he still did it. The video replays, the pictures, they all clearly show the push.
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Hell, it's like that time Kostopoulos checked Van Ryn from behind and nearly killed him. Kostopoulos didn't mean to injure him, and it wouldn't have been talked about if Van Ryn didn't turn around at the last second. Kostopoulos could have braked, but he still went ahead with the hit, with the consequences we know. Kostopoulos was suspended. That's it. No conspiracy, but he still chose to take the opportunity to hit when he could have passed.
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It is insane to think that he hit him into the glass on purpose. Fans like you are why hockey is in the shape it is in. I'm done with the topic on here. What a waste of fucking time.
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That's nice because I think the exact same thing about you. Talking hockey with most people sucks because it's guys like you who scream murder when your team gets beaten, but become overprotective any time it's implied that one of your precious players did something dickish. Nobody will think less of you because a player on your favorite team did something cheap. I know you're knowledgeable about hockey, which is why I think it's insane to see you protect Chara like that just because he's a Bruins.

The hit on Pacioretty was bad. The hit on Savard was also bad. I'm sure someone on the Habs probably did something cheap in the last few year as well. Hell, we had Lapierre on the roster for a bit, so it probably happened.

Just watch the replay again and see for yourself. Yes, he pushed him. That's not even questionable. I know he didn't want to break is neck. Nobody plays hockey to injure someone, at least I like to think so. But it still happened.
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