ROH sold to broadcast group, coming to syndication

[Seth82]

Originally Posted by Gertner because as we know, Indy fans are jobless losers who live in their mom's basement, so nothing will change in your life.

as opposed to WWE Fans???

that is such wrestling fan stereotype

ECW was an indy promotion technically so does that mean their fans whom were quite knowledgable were fat virgin losers too?

you're ANTI ROH troll schtick is getting old

Originally Posted by Seth82 as opposed to WWE Fans??? that is such wrestling fan stereotype ECW was an indy promotion technically so does that mean their fans whom were quite knowledgable were fat virgin losers too? you're ANTI ROH troll schtick is getting old

I've been to ECW shows and yeah pretty much, although ECW crowds didn't shower.

There's a HUGE difference between WWE and Indy fans. WWE fans don't care nearly as much about who wins or loses. Most are just casual fans. I used to watch it religiously, but now I really only watch it if there isn't a football or hockey or baseball game on, or if I'm bored.

They don't over analyze it or get whiny if somebody talks shit about it like indy fans do because they don't care. They don't care about workrate or any of that crap or care that Vince calls it entertainment. That's what TNA or ROH fans don't get. It's ALL sports entertainment. Unless ROH or TNA start not having pre-determined winners than that's what it is. WWE fans don't care. Indy fans do.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by Gertner I've been to ECW shows and yeah pretty much, although ECW crowds didn't shower. There's a HUGE difference between WWE and Indy fans. WWE fans don't care nearly as much about who wins or loses. Most are just casual fans. I used to watch it religiously, but now I really only watch it if there isn't a football or hockey or baseball game on, or if I'm bored. They don't over analyze it or get whiny if somebody talks shit about it like indy fans do because they don't care. They don't care about workrate or any of that crap or care that Vince calls it entertainment. That's what TNA or ROH fans don't get. It's ALL sports entertainment. Unless ROH or TNA start not having pre-determined winners than that's what it is. WWE fans don't care. Indy fans do.

The wrestling vs. entertainment argument is retarded, I agree. Harping that "we're wrestling" doesn't change the fact that ROH and WWE are in the same business, doing the same thing.

I will argue though that WWE fans tend to care more about the outcome than indy fans. It's been my experience that the indy fans generally just like to see good matches, where the more hardcore WWE fans spaz about who wins (see, e.g., Christian losing.) It's the annoying arm chair bookers that are a pain in the ass (X should be champion, they're dropping the ball), but you get those in both the WWE and indy feds.

Indy fans do care about workrate though, definitely. Some more than others. What it really comes down to though is indy fans like good, entertaining matches, and a lot of them equate work rate with good/entertaining matches.

Also, I'm amazed at how efficient your trolling is as getting people to spaz. "Oh no, you called my beloved indy wrestler X a vanilla midget. I'm going to show you by yelling at you on the internet."

Eventually I'm going to post a thread that's an objective analysis of ROH, it's roster, etc. You'll love it Gertner, plenty of opportunities to troll. Although knowing me, I'll never get around to doing it, as I have a life and better things to do.

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? The wrestling vs. entertainment argument is retarded, I agree. Harping that "we're wrestling" doesn't change the fact that ROH and WWE are in the same business, doing the same thing. I will argue though that WWE fans tend to care more about the outcome than indy fans. It's been my experience that the indy fans generally just like to see good matches, where the more hardcore WWE fans spaz about who wins (see, e.g., Christian losing.) It's the annoying arm chair bookers that are a pain in the ass (X should be champion, they're dropping the ball), but you get those in both the WWE and indy feds. Indy fans do care about workrate though, definitely. Some more than others. What it really comes down to though is indy fans like good, entertaining matches, and a lot of them equate work rate with good/entertaining matches. Also, I'm amazed at how efficient your trolling is as getting people to spaz. "Oh no, you called my beloved indy wrestler X a vanilla midget. I'm going to show you by yelling at you on the internet." Eventually I'm going to post a thread that's an objective analysis of ROH, it's roster, etc. You'll love it Gertner, plenty of opportunities to troll. Although knowing me, I'll never get around to doing it, as I have a life and better things to do.

Are you talking about the IWC WWE fans or regular WWE fans? There's a difference. The IWC WWE fans were upset that Christian lost, but the majority still cheer for Orton more.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by Gertner Are you talking about the IWC WWE fans or regular WWE fans? There's a difference. The IWC WWE fans were upset that Christian lost, but the majority still cheer for Orton more.

Both. Obviously the IWC fans cared more about Christian. But the casual fans still care, not as passionately, but they care. Take for example the obviously "anti" Cena fan base that extends well beyond the IWC.

Although in rereading what I wrote, I think I made a mistake. I don't think WWE fans care more about the outcome than indy fans per se. Let me rephrase it a little. Indy fans care more about the match in the ring, the style, basically, how good the match is, and how much they enjoy the match. The WWE fans care more about the overall product, meaning not only who wins the match, if it's good or not (but not to the extent of indy nitpicking), but also the general overall entertainment value of the show.

So yeah, I'd say a lot of indy fans care about the quality of the match, not the outcome, where most WWE fans care about the overall quality. An indy fan is more likely to pick out a match that sucked, or an interview segment that ran too long. Whereas a WWE fan is more likely to pick out a more technical match as not being exciting.

With that said though, I will say that the IWC WWE fans care a lot more about outcomes than IWC indy fans. I generally don't see the extreme bitching about guys on the indy scene when they lose like I do when Christian lost, or Cena wins.