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Old 07-18-2011, 03:46 PM   #41
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Yeah, the dude is definately overrated in the high flying dept. They react as if he's the only one capable of doing moves we've seen for years. Most of it is the type of stuff Mysterio was doing back in ECW and WCW. Not to mention guys in TNA have pulled off his manuevers more effectively.

Seriously though, telling us his suspension is due to anabolic steroids? The guy's like 5'5 and 180 lbs, ya think he's juicing? Sounds like a convient way for WWE to punish him for not being able to adapt to the WWE quickly...
Regardless of what the internet marks say, WWE are clearly quite high on Sin Cara and as I said, he is HHH's boy, hence the story of HHH taking him under his wing.

Now I don't know what constitutes a violation of the WWE Wellness Programme but do you think William Regal looks like a guy who has been doing steroids throughout his career?
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Old 07-18-2011, 04:27 PM   #42
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Some sources are apparently saying Sin Cara might not be brought back?
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Old 07-18-2011, 04:46 PM   #43
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Sort of surprised but it also does explain him getting hurt during the ppv was more to write him off than him actually being hurt.

It wouldn't make sense for the WWE to just drop him after hyping him up a lot and him only being on the roster for such a short period of time even if he was too green or nervous in the ring.
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I think we can all agree that Sin Cara has been a big disappointment.
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I would guess it's for pain pills, I dont know how often he would have worked in Mexico but it was probably less dates than hes working now. All those flippy bumps rack up.
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I bet they found those drugs that mask illegal drugs in drug tests..
Time for a completely random unrelated story. Supposedly, in 05 Hector Garza was getting ready for a comeback run in TNA but he ended up getting in trouble for steroids that are "legal in Mexico". Maybe he was taking something he's been taking for years and didn't know. From what I've heard, the FDA is currently tightening up its regulations and banning more supliments
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Regardless of what the internet marks say, WWE are clearly quite high on Sin Cara and as I said, he is HHH's boy, hence the story of HHH taking him under his wing.
I have no idea why the WWE is so high on Sin Cara. He's doing the most basic of high flying moves, but they act like he's an innovator, which he's not. Ppl in TNA and even as far back as ECW and WCW were doing the same type of moves, only better. In this instance, if he hadn't been HHH's first aquisition, he'd be gone by now. Maybe back when he was Mystico he was doing unique work, but in WWE he's overrated big time.

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Now I don't know what constitutes a violation of the WWE Wellness Programme but do you think William Regal looks like a guy who has been doing steroids throughout his career?
My point before was it's obvious Sin Cara is using steroids, so it's no surprize he was busted for it. Some guys like Regal aren't as apparent steroid users, so it's more shocking when they are caught.
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Yeah, the dude is definately overrated in the high flying dept. They react as if he's the only one capable of doing moves we've seen for years. Most of it is the type of stuff Mysterio was doing back in ECW and WCW. Not to mention guys in TNA have pulled off his manuevers more effectively.

Seriously though, telling us his suspension is due to anabolic steroids? The guy's like 5'5 and 180 lbs, ya think he's juicing? Sounds like a convient way for WWE to punish him for not being able to adapt to the WWE quickly...
You know that steroids don't ALWAYS make you bigger, right? IE, Shawn Michaels, track runners, etc...depending on your diet and your workout it CAN make you quicker/faster.
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Seriously though, telling us his suspension is due to anabolic steroids? The guy's like 5'5 and 180 lbs, ya think he's juicing? Sounds like a convient way for WWE to punish him for not being able to adapt to the WWE quickly...
He's probably been roiding to get himself into WWE shape.
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He's probably been roiding to get himself into WWE shape.
Exactly. What seems to be one of the top complaints about some of the guys, no matter how good of a performer they are? "Too small". Jericho got it. I'm very sure Punk's gotten it. Low-Ki and Danielson both got it. Mysterio is a hell of a lot bigger now than he was in WCW, and he still gets comments about being small, and not all of them are directed at his height.

Then, we get all dramatically gaspy and ready to brow beat someone when they decide to get on the gas to help change that and we find out about it.
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Exactly. What seems to be one of the top complaints about some of the guys, no matter how good of a performer they are? "Too small". Jericho got it. I'm very sure Punk's gotten it. Low-Ki and Danielson both got it. Mysterio is a hell of a lot bigger now than he was in WCW, and he still gets comments about being small, and not all of them are directed at his height.

Then, we get all dramatically gaspy and ready to brow beat someone when they decide to get on the gas to help change that and we find out about it.
This. The WWE environment requires a certain look, sad to say. And the easiest way to get there is with the gas.

Lance Cade was more or less told that he had to roid to get into the WWE.

And let's not forget about Chris Masters, here...
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You know that steroids don't ALWAYS make you bigger, right? IE, Shawn Michaels, track runners, etc...depending on your diet and your workout it CAN make you quicker/faster.
Yeah, but in this case, it's apparent he's abusing steroids. Having a smaller frame always accentuates muscle mass. It's just like what happened to Mysterio. When he came to WWE, he gained probably 20-30 lbs. of muscle. Being 5'4" and 175 lbs. isn't your average weight for that size. For that height, it's actually way over average. And the same goes for Sin Cara. So, when Mysterio was implicated in the big steroid scandal in 2005, it wasn't a shocker. And neither is it now when Sin Cara is linked to anabolic steroids.

In Shawn Michaels' case, I'd be more skeptical of heavy steroid use b/c he's an average looking guy. Being 5'10" and 185 lbs is closer to normal than other, more obvious steroid users. Not saying he wasn't using, but he was a guy that didn't look out of proportion for his size. Sin Cara sticks out more since he looks out of proportion for a smaller guy...
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And let's not forget about Chris Masters, here...
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I begrudgingly admit he's gone from fucking terrible to mildly passable in the ring... but better people have been hired and future endeavored in that time. Hell, in my opinion, Kelly Kelly has gotten better than this clown in the ring. He should be the poster child of why they even deal with FCW.
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"Sin Cara, who was suspended Monday by WWE for violating their Talent Wellness Program, spoke to Mexican newspaper The Record to claim his innocence.

The masked grappler says he was informed by WWE officials that he tested positive for steroids. He requested clarification on the matter and noted that he would be meeting with company officials this week.

Cara said many medications contain steroids and he believes a routine injection to his knee to alleviate persistent pain triggered a false positive. He denied taking steroids, noting that he wasn’t built like a person who used them.

Regarding his real name being made public, which is considered taboo in lucha libre, the SmackDown! Superstar said it was wrong but fans are more interested in seeing his face.

The full article, which contains audio, is available at http://www.record.com.mx/"
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kind of odd they suspend someone right away without getting a second test done to confirm the first. but then i guess that costs even more money, or they don't trust their employees
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Regarding his real name being made public, which is considered taboo in lucha libre, the SmackDown! Superstar said it was wrong but fans are more interested in seeing his face.
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I intentially forgot Chris Masters. The only reason he got his foot in the door and that damned 8 minute long "Masterpiece" entrance was because of his blantantly 'roided physique. His ring work was the screaming shits, and it was still more exciting than his [sarcasm]super charismatic gimmick[/sarcasm]. It was even worse with that whole "LEANER/MEANER" crap they tried to pass off when he was obviously off of the juice in the wake of scandal. His gimmick was his body, and then without that, he was just a terrible CAW with a barebones default moveset.

I begrudgingly admit he's gone from fucking terrible to mildly passable in the ring... but better people have been hired and future endeavored in that time. Hell, in my opinion, Kelly Kelly has gotten better than this clown in the ring. He should be the poster child of why they even deal with FCW.
I mention Chris Masters because he is PROOF that WWE Wellness is a Crock of Shit. He followed their provisions and was jobbed and openly ridiculed for doing so.
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Double-sided bull shit from the WWE.

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– The Record in Mexico has pulled their interview with Sin Cara discussing his WWE Wellness Policy suspension. Word is that WWE was not happy at all that he was discussing the issue publicly, especially the claim that he did not understand why he was suspended. You can click here to view photos of Sin Cara unmasked.
Maybe you shouldn't make it public then, you fucking morons. Don't care how much of a "screw-up" Sin Cara is. If you make it public, and he tries to defend himself, don't cry about it.
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Old 07-22-2011, 01:10 AM   #68
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Double-sided bull shit from the WWE.



Maybe you shouldn't make it public then, you fucking morons. Don't care how much of a "screw-up" Sin Cara is. If you make it public, and he tries to defend himself, don't cry about it.
Well, you can't expect a guy who potentially could lose his job to keep quiet about why it happened. WWE pretty much wants all media about them to be one sided, when it's their fault as much as Sin Cara's. You can't blame a guy for being a steroid abuser and not get his side of the story.

As far as the Wellness Policy being discussed publicly, isn't that the point of instituting it??? To be honest with the media about their wrestlers being clean and healthy? Of course, like all things WWE, it's used politically. Guys are made examples of that don't hurt WWE's bottom line. You'll never see guys like Cena or Orton be busted for steroid use b/c they are too valuable to lose. I suppose it's a coincidence that Sin Cara happened to be caught when he was in the doghouse with WWE
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The only Mexicans I want on my TV are Alberto and Ricardo.
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Old 07-22-2011, 01:20 AM   #70
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The only Mexicans I want on my TV are Alberto and Ricardo.
Oh, you mean the boring Mexicans
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How is Del Rio boring?
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The problem with Sin Cara is that WWE created such high expectations from the first day he was on tv, that fans were expecting him to blow their minds off everytime he wrestled. They didn't give him an opportunity to wrestle some matches, get comfortable with the WWE style of wrestling, with being on tv, etc. And being a luchador whose character doesn't speak, he doesn't have the luxury of getting on the mic, either, so only his wrestling does the talking. So if he messes up or has "so-so" matches while he gets comfortable, he doesn't have luxury of getting on the mic and kinda "hide" behind his talking.

All cruiserweights who "made it big", like Rey Mysterio Jr, Eddie Guerrero and Y2J, were given an opportunity to kind of "fly under the radar" as they established themselves, and only after some time was the spotlight put on them. Sin Cara didn't have that opportunity.
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How is Del Rio boring?
Gee, let me think, his whole freaking gimmick. He has the right look for WWE, but personality wise the guy's a snorefest. JBL did the gimmick much better and was way more entertaining. Seeing Juan Bradshaw Layfield isn't my idea of quality entertainment
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How is Del Rio boring?
He gives the same 18 minute promo every single show, every single week for the last year. If you don't think thats boring there is something wrong with you.
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He gives the same 18 minute promo every single show, every single week for the last year. If you don't think thats boring there is something wrong with you.
I believe that description would be the very definition of boring.
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And inaccurate.
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Double-sided bull shit from the WWE.



Maybe you shouldn't make it public then, you fucking morons. Don't care how much of a "screw-up" Sin Cara is. If you make it public, and he tries to defend himself, don't cry about it.
They have to. Unless they want more Congressional investigations, they have to keep their policy completely transparent. If they call out their guys for violating the policy, it accomplishes two things:

1) They can stay ahead of the story, instead of having to react.
2) Hopefully it gives the violator a shot in the ass (pun only slightly intended) to stop using.
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WTF? How is that inaccurate when it sums up Del Rio perfectly...
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Wow.
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