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Old 07-20-2011, 07:11 PM   #41
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I was a major Chyna fan back in the day. Why is she the worst? Was she a bad wrestler or was it that a women held the title?

If Natalya or Beth Phoenix or Trish Stratus held the IC title, would it have been better?
Both. She was a terrible wrestler and I could never take it seriously that she would be competing with guys.

Phoenix, Natalya, and Trish would also be terrible choices for the IC title.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:39 PM   #42
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Old 07-21-2011, 04:38 AM   #43
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I was a major Chyna fan back in the day. Why is she the worst? Was she a bad wrestler or was it that a women held the title?

If Natalya or Beth Phoenix or Trish Stratus held the IC title, would it have been better?
It's probably due to current opinion on her (drugged up porn star whore). Just like Jeff Hardy was voted worst WWE Champion, despite this forum calling for him to the win the belt at the time.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:36 AM   #44
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I'd vote for Hardy as the worst WWE champion ever and I'd have been crying a whole lot if I were around when people wanted him to win the belt.
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I am not sure so much that people wanted him to win as a reward for the interest he (and Matt) brought the company way back or that people actually wanted him to be champion as it seems ridiculous.

Sure, they brought alot of teenage girls in as fans and sold alot of mechandise because the Hardyz were easily likable but saying that Matt should be WWE champion as well seems ridiculous as well.

I think of Jeff the same way as I did Rey, that they just dont look like World Champions.
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I could watch Cena give Hardy the flying shoulders all day long.
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It's probably due to current opinion on her (drugged up porn star whore). Just like Jeff Hardy was voted worst WWE Champion, despite this forum calling for him to the win the belt at the time.
Dunno, I'd like to think it's because she was (and still is) the absolute drizzling shits. Great character, horrible wrestler.
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I'd vote for Hardy as the worst WWE champion ever and I'd have been crying a whole lot if I were around when people wanted him to win the belt.
Probably the only guy who could be worst WWE and TNA Champions ever...
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RVD's reigns in WWE and TNA were "worse", Foley's TNA reign was "worse"
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Old 07-21-2011, 04:25 PM   #54
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RVD's reigns in WWE and TNA were "worse", Foley's TNA reign was "worse"
RVD's in TNA was definately worse, and so was Foley's. Jeff is one of the few who was bad in both companies. At least RVD earned his title reign in WWE and Foley was a decent champion in WWE. Jeff Hardy is the epitome of an overrated wrestler...
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Jeff Hardy is the epitome of internet wrestling fans at their sheepish idiotic "best". There hasn't been anything wrong with any of Jeff's title reigns in WWE or TNA except maybe the 2nd TNA one, which just seemed pointless given how short it was. I don't see how he's overrated in the slightest.
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Not to mention that Jeff had the absolute best feud in the past 5 years over that belt.
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:03 PM   #57
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Jeff Hardy is the epitome of internet wrestling fans at their sheepish idiotic "best". There hasn't been anything wrong with any of Jeff's title reigns in WWE or TNA except maybe the 2nd TNA one, which just seemed pointless given how short it was. I don't see how he's overrated in the slightest.
His reigns in WWE lacked any direction, other than appeasing the fans. It's clear WWE never viewed him as a big star, and rightfully so. He's a very boring and overrated entertainer, and a decent in ring worker at best. "Charismatic Enigma" is certainly not a deserving nickname. Unless he's working with a great worker, he can't have watchable matches. In TNA all his reigns seemed pointless and just another way of taunting WWE of stealing another "big star". They certainly lacked any long term vision. To sum it up, his reigns haven't been impressive for a reason. The only reason he was in the ME to begin with is b/c of the insane risk he was taking to get noticed. It's not as if those were 5 star classics b/c of Jeff alone. Most fans may think he's the best thing to come along in wrestling, but I disagree. He's a bland guy personality wise who was able to capitalize on high risk and not necessarily having great matches....
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His reigns in WWE lacked any direction, other than appeasing the fans. It's clear WWE never viewed him as a big star, and rightfully so. He's a very boring and overrated entertainer, and a decent in ring worker at best. "Charismatic Enigma" is certainly not a deserving nickname. Unless he's working with a great worker, he can't have watchable matches. In TNA all his reigns seemed pointless and just another way of taunting WWE of stealing another "big star". They certainly lacked any long term vision. To sum it up, his reigns haven't been impressive for a reason. The only reason he was in the ME to begin with is b/c of the insane risk he was taking to get noticed. It's not as if those were 5 star classics b/c of Jeff alone. Most fans may think he's the best thing to come along in wrestling, but I disagree. He's a bland guy personality wise who was able to capitalize on high risk and not necessarily having great matches....
@ the part in bold: Gotta respectfully disagree. It was great fodder for CM Punk in his SES days, especially with how easy Jeff was to target for drug problems.
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I'm actually surprised JBL hasn't been mentioned yet.

Can anyone actually remember what he did during his IC Title reign?

He only held it for a month, only to drop it to Mysterio at WrestleMania in 21 seconds. It sort of made the belt look like shit.

But I don't get why Chyna is getting labeled as the worst though.

Her reign lasted a collective amount of 84 days and the angles she was in during her IC title reigns were at least a bit interesting. In my opinion, they were more interesting than JBL's, which was just basically him attacking Mysterio during his match's for two weeks.

I think the WWE just gave the Intercontinental Championship to him, so he could have his last match at WrestleMania which was in Texas, and become Grand Slam Champion and Triple Crown Champion in the process.

I think it was the WWE's way of saying Thank You to him.
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His reigns in WWE lacked any direction, other than appeasing the fans. It's clear WWE never viewed him as a big star, and rightfully so. He's a very boring and overrated entertainer, and a decent in ring worker at best. "Charismatic Enigma" is certainly not a deserving nickname. Unless he's working with a great worker, he can't have watchable matches. In TNA all his reigns seemed pointless and just another way of taunting WWE of stealing another "big star". They certainly lacked any long term vision. To sum it up, his reigns haven't been impressive for a reason. The only reason he was in the ME to begin with is b/c of the insane risk he was taking to get noticed. It's not as if those were 5 star classics b/c of Jeff alone. Most fans may think he's the best thing to come along in wrestling, but I disagree. He's a bland guy personality wise who was able to capitalize on high risk and not necessarily having great matches....
I don't even know where to begin with most of this post. If you don't like Jeff Hardy, just say that, you're allowed to like and dislike whoever you want. But don't try and back it up with random stuff that sounds half intelligent but clearly isn't true or even makes any sense.
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I don't even know where to begin with most of this post. If you don't like Jeff Hardy, just say that, you're allowed to like and dislike whoever you want. But don't try and back it up with random stuff that sounds half intelligent but clearly isn't true or even makes any sense.

How are the reasons I gave untrue or nonsensible??? As far as I can tell, you say that b/c you disagree with me. Which is fine, that's life, but don't try to sell me on a load of BS. Most every fan that posts here blindly marks for wrestlers. At least I justify my responses by describing why I do or don't like a wrestler. Funny that the word intelligence is thrown in, b/c blindly marking for a guy is about as illogical and far from intelligent as you can get.

And you're damn right, I don't like Jeff Hardy. He's a bad entertainer who can't even have good matches without depending on his opponent. His "Charismatic Enigma" nickname is laughable, since the dude is about as entertaining as a block of wood on the mic.

In the end, you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree. So, don't try to blow smoke up my ass and sell me on him being great. The fact is, for the past 5 or so years, Jeff has been one of the most inconsistent guys in the wrestling industry....
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I used to LOVE the feuds for the Intercontinental Championship back in the day...

...this was the title that almost all of the guys who would later on become WWF/E Champions would hold first, as the company's way of seeing if they had what it took to take "that" next step...

...guys like Savage, Warrior, Bret Hart, Diesel, HBK, Austin, The Rock, Triple H, among others, all were IC Champions before they became World Champions.

Actually, there were times that the feuds for the IC Title were more interesting than those for the WWF/E Title.
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Old 07-22-2011, 01:52 AM   #66
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@ the part in bold: Gotta respectfully disagree. It was great fodder for CM Punk in his SES days, especially with how easy Jeff was to target for drug problems.
That's understandable. Jeff's personal issues did make great material for CM Punk to play off of. And IMO, that was the last time Jeff delivered in a fued. Classic moment when Punk came out dressed as Jeff and proceded to rip him a new one. I'm surprized Jeff took offense to that, b/c Punk made that fued as great as it was...
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Old 07-22-2011, 11:55 AM   #69
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How are the reasons I gave untrue or nonsensible??? As far as I can tell, you say that b/c you disagree with me. Which is fine, that's life, but don't try to sell me on a load of BS. Most every fan that posts here blindly marks for wrestlers. At least I justify my responses by describing why I do or don't like a wrestler. Funny that the word intelligence is thrown in, b/c blindly marking for a guy is about as illogical and far from intelligent as you can get.

And you're damn right, I don't like Jeff Hardy. He's a bad entertainer who can't even have good matches without depending on his opponent. His "Charismatic Enigma" nickname is laughable, since the dude is about as entertaining as a block of wood on the mic.

In the end, you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree. So, don't try to blow smoke up my ass and sell me on him being great. The fact is, for the past 5 or so years, Jeff has been one of the most inconsistent guys in the wrestling industry....
This has nothing to do with my personal opinion of Jeff Hardy or me trying to sell you on anything. As I said, you're more than entitled to your own opinion and if you don't like him, that's fine. My reply was aimed at the large portions of your post that you state as fact with stuff that either isn't true or makes no sense.
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Old 07-22-2011, 12:35 PM   #70
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Old 07-22-2011, 04:35 PM   #71
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This has nothing to do with my personal opinion of Jeff Hardy or me trying to sell you on anything. As I said, you're more than entitled to your own opinion and if you don't like him, that's fine. My reply was aimed at the large portions of your post that you state as fact with stuff that either isn't true or makes no sense.
I never state anything as fact. I give my views on a topic, regardless of if they are right or wrong. And I don't see how what I say doesn't make sense or isn't true. My opinions are open to interpretation as is any post here. What I say is as sensible as any other moron here blindly marking for no reason. At least I attempt to justify my posts with some logic and reasoning. Unlike XL, who likes to say I'm an idiot, when he himself adds no personal insight into anything related to the topic.

I can respect other's views on subjects, but apparently the majority here cannot do that. The way I see it, my views are as well thought out and explained as any fan here. At least I will discuss something intelligently, rather than assuming my opinion is fact. Thus the reason I always quote someone specifically to talk about each point that is made...
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Old 07-22-2011, 04:41 PM   #72
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Guys, please don't engage captaincharismark, he'll repeatedly post his stance on the issue and won't even try to hide the fact by changing the words.

I have to go back through this to work out the winner, I don't wanna have to wade through his nonsense twice.
Other than you creating this thread, what the hell have you added to this discussion??? In certain threads, I may have been redundant, but at least I attempt to add insight into the topics. You add no insight into the thread, then act as if you contributed to it. Flaming me for actually attempting to create intelligent debates only serves to make you look like an idiot...

Talking sensibly and debating logically has nothing to do with winning or losing. The point is to learn something from it. Which is a lost cause as far as you are concerned.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:18 PM   #73
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:32 AM   #74
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LOL. Every time.
Yeah, just like every time you spam these threads pointlessly. What in the blue hell have you added to this? Other than the obvious lame shots at me and not one sensible reply about this thread. How can you logically make fun of me for debating ppl here, when you never talk about anything other than me?

But that's right, I forgot staying on topic for you is impossible
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:05 AM   #75
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Old 07-23-2011, 10:06 PM   #76
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Old 07-24-2011, 01:08 AM   #77
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so many arguments for best. I always thought Warrior was a great champion as well because he put the belt on par with the World Title.

Godfather, Chyna, Road Dogg and Albert were at the bottom for me
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Old 07-24-2011, 10:25 PM   #78
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It's probably due to current opinion on her (drugged up porn star whore). Just like Jeff Hardy was voted worst WWE Champion, despite this forum calling for him to the win the belt at the time.
My choice of Chyna being the worst IC champion had nothing to do with her current status. It's just that her reign as champion wasn't as strong as many had hoped, although it had some great angles (like the one with Chris Jericho having her tied up and crushes her hand with a hammer).
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Old 07-24-2011, 10:44 PM   #79
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This is tough WWE used to book this title with such prominence ....

Best: Ultimate Warrior... I mean who else go the title to such heights? If they could have somehow kept it as the next man for the job then wow I would love that so much.

Worst: Road Doggy Dog Brian James
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Old 07-24-2011, 10:44 PM   #80
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LOL I bet everyone who chose Chyna has read Undisputed, no?
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