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Old 07-26-2011, 02:21 AM   #441
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Listened to the AFI song after a bunch of people here mentioned it. Seems like it would make a pretty terrible theme.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:23 AM   #442
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Did they not learn anything from the nWo in 1996?

Everybody.... Steve Austin, The Rock, Shawn Michaels... they all alluded to the attitude era with this angle... potential ($$$$$, money, money, $$$) why did Punk not come out of the crowd, out of nowhere, to present himself as the "real" WWE Champion...


They FUCKED this angle up. For fucks sake.
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Listened to the AFI song after a bunch of people here mentioned it. Seems like it would make a pretty terrible theme.
Not the whole song but as a one off for a special occasion like this. The slow build up along with the drum beat and you know everyone is going to stomp their feet and boom Punk appears.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:30 AM   #445
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Here's the thing about the music. I knew the moment I heard that music it was Punk because of my exposure to ROH. They're trying for those people with this angle and I think it's working REALLY well. I am excited to see how this plays out.
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It's those few minutes of confusion before the surprise that I like. They don't do that enough.
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The first time Triple H said he was going to bring out someone he had signed, I thought HBK was going to come out, and that somehow they were both going to run the show, with HBK acting as Triple H's assistant..

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:50 AM   #448
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I thought Jericho was coming.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:51 AM   #449
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I thought he was talking HBK too.

Also, I don't get how the people in these forums didn't know "Cult of Personality" meant Punk was coming out. I MARKED THE FUCK OUT when I heard it! You need to up your IWC cred. ^_^

It would be like Danielson changing to "Final Countdown", and everyone here going "I didn't know it was him coming to cash his MITB case."
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I would have never expected Punk to come out to Cult of Personality, so I marked pretty hard.
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I wonder if, like I said before, WWE will have Punk and Cena do a Ladder Match for the WWE Championship, like they did in 1994 when both Razor and HBK had an Intercontinental Title.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:06 AM   #452
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I think a straight up match would be enough to sell tickets. Also, I am watching RAW, already know what will happen, and will mark out. RAW seems like it was perfectly booked, in my opinion. The only thing I would have changed is Alex Riley as Ziggler's opponent, to set-up a US Title match between the two at SummerSlam. Ziggler wins, but with Vickie help, leaving Riley to earn a title shot and work out a way to counteract Vickie.

Also, I hope The Miz or someone interrupts Cee Lo Green and reminds him that this is the WWE and not the Grammys, or something like that. Also, I hope that the WWE puts CM Punk over at SummerSlam. The WWE doesn't need John Cena dominating right now. Have Colt Cabana or The Rock cost Cena his match against Punk. Fuck, even Ryder would be good enough. I hope the Nexus isn't done quite yet. I don't want to see them everywhere with Punk, but I have no problem with Punk remaining their "guidance."

Fuck:

* John Cena vs. CM Punk for the undisputed WWE Championship

* Christian vs. Randy Orton in a No Holds Barred Match for the World Heavyweight Championship

* John Morrison vs. R-Truth

* Sheamus vs. Wade Barrett

* Kelly Kelly hopefully defending the Divas Championship against Beth Phoenix

SummerSlam is shaping up to be solid at the worst, and damn excellent at the best.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:14 AM   #453
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On a semi-related note, Living Colour seems to owe both Punk and Rockstar Games a huge debt of thanks for lining their pockets years after the fact via this song. I had only heard it like twice ever via legit radio play many, many moons ago.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:09 AM   #454
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It's those few minutes of confusion before the surprise that I like. They don't do that enough.
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Old 07-26-2011, 06:30 AM   #455
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I actually liked the way Punk came out. The music was built up good, and when he came out the crowd popped nicely.

Good Raw all round really.
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Old 07-26-2011, 06:40 AM   #456
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Yep. Btw, this theme song is used during his ROH era.



And I liked it better than his Killswitch Engage theme.
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I think Raw was really good last night.

You had your usual Diva's match which was alright. It made Kelly Kelly look good and that's all that mattered really. She is The Diva's Champion afterall and she does seem to be getting better in the ring, though the Lou Thesz Press was a bit messed up, though that was probably due to Melina falling down too early. The Miz/Mysterio match was really good and I was a bit surprised that Mysterio won. I was expecting The Miz to win but it all made sense at the end of Raw.

Ziggler/Bourne was also a good match and it left me looking foward to see what happens with Ziggler and his "Follow This" thing he has going. Good theme remix too. The same goes for Del Rio/Kingston, good match, and seeing Ryder on Raw is always good. Though it looked like Cole took the Rough Ryder a bit rough. (Yeah, I see what I did there)

The main event though, was, from what I remember, pretty good. It was nothing spectacular but I did notice that Cena wasn't wrestling like he usually does, and Mysterio was pretty much in control for the majority of the match, which made him look good and made him dropping the title not look so bad.

Though I'll be honest, at first, I didn't like the fact that Cena was getting a title match, and I didn't like it even more when he won. I thought it just made the past month totally irrelevant.

But then, "Cult Of Personality" played, and I was left thinking a mixture of "Who the hell is this?" and "This better not be some obscure (To the rest of the world) North-American celebrity". Nothing was happening, which made me even more curious, but then, lo and behold, CM Punk walks out.

I was surprised and thought "Holy Shit". Punk and Cena in the ring was perfect and it showed just how divided the fans are. I thought it represented the division with the WWE fans perfectly. To me, it's like Cena and Punk are representing the fans. Both sets of fans don't like each other, the characters of Cena and Punk, don't like each other. Cena's fans mostly want entertainment, be it matches, promos, music, whatever. Punk's fans mostly want wrestling and good angles. Both men excel in what their fans want.

I don't get why people are complaining about Punk's return. Sure, if "This Fire Burns" was used, we'd all be shitting ourselves but not necessarily the crowd. We have to remember that the majority of the time, the crowd consists mostly of children, so using "Cult Of Personality" would have left most people in the crowd, wondering what was going on. And it did. It made seeing Punk suddenly appear, even more surprising.

You don't always need to hear a massive roar from the crowd in order to mark out, but I will agree it helps. But the WWE went for something different, they went for suspense, they made you curious as to what was happening, then they teased you by not doing anything, then they just threw CM Punk at you out of nowhere. I doubt that the people who aren't happy at the return, saw Punk appear and thought "Oh, Punk's back. ".

I'm sure everyone was surprised to some degree.

But massive post over now, it was a good Raw and I enjoyed it and I look forward to next week.
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It's an awesome wrestling theme, actually, and suits Punk perfectly. He's been using This Fire Burns (which also fit him) since his debut. It's about time for a switch.

Also, just a random note: John Cena has now overtaken Triple H as the record-holder for most WWE Championship reigns.
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I sort of agree that Punk getting new music could have reduced the size of the moment a bit, and that Punk's old theme was almost set in stone as his theme for life after his Money in the Bank entrance, but his new theme is a pretty damn good song. Never heard of the song or the band, but damn it's good and fits Punk.
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Are we forgetting? Zack Ryder had a match on Raw and won!
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I thought he was talking HBK too.

Also, I don't get how the people in these forums didn't know "Cult of Personality" meant Punk was coming out. I MARKED THE FUCK OUT when I heard it! You need to up your IWC cred. ^_^

It would be like Danielson changing to "Final Countdown", and everyone here going "I didn't know it was him coming to cash his MITB case."
im not even really a huge iwc guy, and no little about the ROH, but i knew instantly it was punk.i was watching with my cousin, and when cult of personality hit, he goes, who the hell? and i was like its CM punk!!! yes i was giddy, lol.
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Are we forgetting? Zack Ryder had a match on Raw and won!
haha ya i figured the board would explode when he came out. its funny cuz like 2 days ago i watched when punk invaded comicon. and he asks triple h "when are you putting zack ryder on the air?" or something along those lines. i havent been this excited for wrestling since i was 12. its just fun and keeps me on the edge of my seat like old times.
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My big concern for Punk now is will he still be a shoot-talking guy? Or is he just gonna go back to being a regular WWE guy? (Assuming he 're-signed' with the company).

Punk 'shooting', talking behind-the-scenes stuff and mentioning non-WWE people is really what got this whole thing started.
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Overall good Raw though, and I definitely like this direction they seem to be taking with a big emphasis on 'wrestling'.
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My big concern for Punk now is will he still be a shoot-talking guy? Or is he just gonna go back to being a regular WWE guy? (Assuming he 're-signed' with the company).

Punk 'shooting', talking behind-the-scenes stuff and mentioning non-WWE people is really what got this whole thing started.
Does he need to be though? It got him off the ground, but that's when he was on his way out. Now he can just be anti-establishment with HHH re-signing him purely because it was the "right thing to do" and the shareholders wanted it, OR do a Rock 1998 with him where he was the big face going into Survivor Series but ended up starting the corporation. He's a damn fine promo guy just going by the numbers and as long as he has input into what he says/is allowed to improvise with his pipe-bomb, he can make most situations work.
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That was fucking awesome with him using Cult of Personality

it really fits Punk to a T

kind of a nice throwback to his ROH days
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My big concern for Punk now is will he still be a shoot-talking guy? Or is he just gonna go back to being a regular WWE guy? (Assuming he 're-signed' with the company).

Punk 'shooting', talking behind-the-scenes stuff and mentioning non-WWE people is really what got this whole thing started.
The thing about this is that it all fit into kayfabe. There has to be a sense of realism in the Punk character I think, but he doesn't need to shoot on WWE or someone else in every promo to get over. Like Hasney said, he needs to be anti-establishment. I think shooting will be a part of the character, but no where as huge as it was these past few weeks.

This is something I've heard suggested on PWInsider and it's a great idea, I think. You can definitely have Punk and Triple H in a struggle for power type thing a bit down the road, maybe leading into Mania. It would be an updated version of Austin vs. McMahon, with the upside being that, when it comes to their inevitable match, Hunter can really work and put a pretty big spin on things.

Also, quick note, I watched it again this morning and noticed that Cena's title's plates were ridiculously thin, compared to the one Punk came out with (which I'm pretty sure is the real belt). Not sure if it was a replica or just a shitty backup, but it wasn't a proper title.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:41 AM   #468
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Watch the guy bottom right when the belts are held up. Cena holds his up, he cheers. Punk holds his up and he violently boos, but when he hears the cheers for Punk, he has to spazz out and cover his ears. It is gold.

Not that I couldn't imagine SOME people who post here doing the same, just the opposite way round...
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:29 AM   #469
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It's great to see Punk with Cult of Personality again and I can't wait to see where it goes from here.
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I knew it was Punk as soon as the song started, because it fits who Punk has been in the last few weeks. He has everyone wrapped around his finger at the moment, so he is the leader of the cult of personality. Personally the only thing I wondered when hearing the song was if he would come out alone. I was hoping for Cabana and Kings of Wrestling to come out with him.

Screw Mysterio winning and losing. He's a pale shadow of what he used to be and it least he got a good match out of Miz and Cena.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:44 PM   #471
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The only thing I didn't like about the show was having two title changes in one night when they could have just as easily made it triple threat match unless they were planning to have Cena turn heel and I still think Punk should have come out to this rather than the C.o.P. it has a much better intro and would have at least created a little bit of mystery of who it was to the casual fans:
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I didn't realize that was Michael Cole 'til halfway into his entrance...I thought it was Santino.
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The only thing I would change is have the mainevent be a triple threat instead Miz/Cena/Rey. I am not a fan of these real short reigns which have been popping up lately.
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I didn't realize that was Michael Cole 'til halfway into his entrance...I thought it was Santino.
Honestly thought it was Santino at first as well.
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