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Old 08-15-2011, 11:32 PM   #441
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Feels like the title scene is going right back to the same old shit. I'm also weary about Punk. He'll be fine until the Hunter feud wraps up, but after that I fear a push down the card.
After all the interest Punk as regenerated in the product, let alone his merch sales, I think it'd be far fetched to think he's gonna be demoted again after this.

Even if he is, Chris Jericho was pushed up and down the card and he made it work like gold. I have no doubt Punk could do the same
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:34 PM   #442
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Also, I think we'd sooner see Punk vs HHH than Punk vs Nash
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For some reason, TPWW didn't post what I typed up.

I'm not typing it all up again, but basically, what I said was that the talk between Nash and Laurinaitis will probably be Laurinaitis signing Nash to a contract to compete.
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Dunno. I am probably going to get shit on for saying this, and accused of blatant Unhappy IWCitis, but...

I feel like RAW really lost a whole heckuva lot of steam this week.

The Punk stuff was still golden, and I am of course still interested in where it goes... but without the WWE Championship and Cena involved, it just loses a whole lot of steam.

Speaking of the WWE Title, it seems to be back to the status quo. New heel champ who cashed in the MitB vs angry face, Cena. Seen this a million times.

I also don't get why Cena was so angry. He wasn't even the dude Alberto cashed it in on. Punk and HHH both were like "Meh. That's Money in the Bank."

But Cena for some reason is outraged, even after Alberto beats Rey clean for the thousandth time.





Yeah. Basically, they could have milked Cena/Punk for even more and continued being red-hot.

This week was luke-warm at best.
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:59 PM   #445
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I did enjoy Jack Swagger's Gutwrench Stumblebomb tribute to Kevin Nash though.
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I don't understand how you guys can be happy with Nash's promo. CM Punk was awesome in it, but seriously Nash was boring. It was a hype, and it fell down flat.

The ending of Raw was a HUGE let down, no HHH/Cena interaction? WTF is that about? Cena getting "angry" at Del Rio made NO sense at all.

Talk about losing steam.....
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I don't get why Cena was bitching about how Del Rio won the championship.

That's what Money In The Bank is all about.
Cena's just pissed cause he's never won Money in the Bank.
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Cena's just pissed cause he's never won Money in the Bank.
But why would Cena need to win a title match opportunity? He's either already champion, or can get a title match anytime he wants.
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Cena in realilty shouldn't be mad, becasue is what Del Rio did that much worse then what Cena did to win the belt 3 weeks ago?
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like many of you i wanted more punk/nash/hhh answers but think raw did a great job of starting many new directions and if handled well could be really entertaining.

the cons are of course cena right back in the title picture and badly explained. again cena at the expense of mysterio gets in the mix, but thats just the world we live in cena is gonna always be in the hunt or wearing the belt

the pros. a slow burn with the mystery of cm punk stuff. who screwed him, who will he go after. could be good with punk becoming more over as he fights through Trip's stips and hopefully a rumble win at the end.

the divas didnt look half bad, and i never say that.

king and jr giving the inclination tag teams may be getting some love

getting vickie over to swagger is good.

only pet peeve about the show was hoping truth would keep no music and get jimmy hart guiding him out with the megaphone.ah well
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I really don't get it. A couple of years ago, when someone won the MITB and cashed it in, Cena was okay with it since they had "earned it". But now all of a sudden he is mad at Alberto Del Rio for cashing in his MITB contract. WTF Cena?
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Watching Raw on the west coast right now. The commentary during Swagger and Riley was awesome. I loved how Cole was genuinely laughing at everything whether Lawler said it or Dolph. And Dolph's "What!?" during the botched ending was hilarious.
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But why would Cena need to win a title match opportunity? He's either already champion, or can get a title match anytime he wants.
I eagerly anticipate the "John Cena can never have another title shot" angle that forces him to win Money in the Bank so he can have a title shot.

Then he cashes in and is the first to lose.
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Also, WTF with The Miz being relegated into an in-ring advertisement segment.
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Maybe Miz joins "The Corporation". Guy who is willing to do anything the company says, including go shill Subway.

Goes against Punk.
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The commentary tonight has been oddly stellar.
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I eagerly anticipate the "John Cena can never have another title shot" angle that forces him to win Money in the Bank so he can have a title shot.

Then he cashes in and is the first to lose.
I agree with this. It wouldn't hurt Cena as much as it would hurt someone like Bryan (only threw him out there because... well, you all know why) or any other potential "up-and-comer" that may win the case. A lower card wrestler or someone who never had the title (for instance, Del Rio had he still not gotten the win last night) would have that follow them around like "Boring" did with Lance Storm. Cena is already so over he doesn't need the win. It would also break the "guaranteed 100% win" streak everyone has had with the case, keep him out of the direct title picture, and possibly build some angle that will keep him busy with someone while the main event picture shifts to someone else for a bit. Besides, we already have Rock/Cena, and Cena's "prediction" that it's going to be a title match with him as the champion can still be done. That's what the Royal Rumble is for.

I only have a couple "Late to the Party" comment about tonight:

-I actually enjoyed commentary. Thouroughly. With Cole not going so fucking overboard with heeling it up, JR there to actually CALL the match, and everyone taking their shots at one another (as opposed to everyone bash Cole all the time... JR or King even agreed with Cole on some points leaving the odd man out to be the contrarian)

-Speaking of commentary, they pretty much confirmed the possiblity of strengthening the tag division. I agree the current champs need some sort of "umph" to them, or they'll be forgotten as soon as they lose the belts. As teams go, they're about as over as 'Lo Down. No nexus gear leaves them with no identity, no name leaves them mostly unidentifiable, their new music is pretty generic, and no mic time leaves them with no charisma. As King said, "its like the bland leading the bland". Hell, a step in the right direction would be to have them come out and confront King about that. Or...

-Vickie/Dolph/Thwagger. Swagger can use the boost of a mouthpiece-slash-heat machine. Also, this has the makings of an angle where Dolph eventually strikes out on his own (and possibly turns face, if done right), and Vickie takes Jack's adivce and hires multiple clients (or even out and out builds a stable)... which brings me back to the current WWE Tag Team Champions. Really, they're so not over, they're not even clearly defined heels. They're tweeners-by-apathy. Vickie could get them to be hated by association.
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Also, R-Truth getting music was a terrible idea.

Actually, strike that. R-Truth getting music that resembled his old music, complete with "What's up" being heard, is a terrible idea.

They had worked so hard and the transformation was so complete that I had nearly forgotten about the R-Truth of old. No music, it was "Here comes R-Truth! That crazy guy!"

With the music my first thought was "Here comes R-Truth, the guy who used to sing and dance."

Even remixed as it was, it just doesn't fit him at all anymore and is just a reminder of what they should want us to forget. And what the R-Truth character himself wants us to forget.
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Also, R-Truth getting music was a terrible idea.

Actually, strike that. R-Truth getting music that resembled his old music, complete with "What's up" being heard, is a terrible idea.

They had worked so hard and the transformation was so complete that I had nearly forgotten about the R-Truth of old. No music, it was "Here comes R-Truth! That crazy guy!"

With the music my first thought was "Here comes R-Truth, the guy who used to sing and dance."

Even remixed as it was, it just doesn't fit him at all anymore and is just a reminder of what they should want us to forget. And what the R-Truth character himself wants us to forget.
I think it's their way of demoting him just like they did koz
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I think it's their way of demoting him just like they did koz
Just what i thought. Yet another one of those weird wwe decisions where they just give up on someone, it seems.
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I love Truth, but mid-card is fine by me as long as he's on TV most weeks. We've got Del Rio, Punk, Cena, HHH, Nash and Rey (probably) on top right now and while I would prefer Truth instead of Del Rio, I'm not really complaining.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:29 AM   #466
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I don't understand how you guys can be happy with Nash's promo. CM Punk was awesome in it, but seriously Nash was boring. It was a hype, and it fell down flat.

The ending of Raw was a HUGE let down, no HHH/Cena interaction? WTF is that about? Cena getting "angry" at Del Rio made NO sense at all.

Talk about losing steam.....
I feel the same way about Nash. He kind of stumbled through it. I mean it wasn't terrible, but he certainly wasn't the confident Kevin Nash that used to be gold on the stick.

I was distracted by how awesome Cena's delivery was, to notice that what he was saying made no sense.

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Old 08-16-2011, 06:26 AM   #468
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I love Nash as much as the next guy, but something about him coming back and being near the top of the card really bothers me. Again, I'll wait and see how the storyline plays out as it has potential to go somewhere good, and hope that it does.

Plus I am really happy for Del Rio as champ.
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Old 08-16-2011, 06:58 AM   #469
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I guess we were all wrong. Nash came out to Truth's old music.
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:18 AM   #470
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just a couple of minutes away from the 1st ever no-Cena on Raw until he showed up. I guess Cena also now took over the "pissed at everyone" thing from Punk.

Good Raw and main event especially how good Rey and Del Rio work together.
back when punk kicked barrett out of nexus on raw i believe that was a no cena raw. it was a raw in phx az. im pretty sure he wasnt on it
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:24 AM   #471
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Watching Raw on the west coast right now. The commentary during Swagger and Riley was awesome. I loved how Cole was genuinely laughing at everything whether Lawler said it or Dolph. And Dolph's "What!?" during the botched ending was hilarious.
lol ya i agree..i loved when king said "when i think about you two in bed, i think of pigs in a blanket" and cole lost it and was cracking up. that made me laugh
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:27 AM   #472
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I feel the same way about Nash. He kind of stumbled through it. I mean it wasn't terrible, but he certainly wasn't the confident Kevin Nash that used to be gold on the stick.

I was distracted by how awesome Cena's delivery was, to notice that what he was saying made no sense.

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Pretty sure that is part of the storyline. JR referred to Nash not acting like Nash four or five times.
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If Cena cut more promos like that, I could start to dig him.
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It was probably already said in this thread, but isn't it pretty obvious that Del Rio is the one who somehow got that text sent? "Lay out the winner for me" isn't specific to just Punk.
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decent raw; pretty disappointed by Nash. Was never a fan, and he didn't really hold up his end of the promo with Punk.
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After Raw ended:

John Cena called for Alberto Del Rio to come to the ring and started to go to the back. CM Punk came out and forced Alberto into the ring. Cena and Punk hit their finishers on Alberto and grabbed the WWE Title. Ricardo tried to get it and they wouldn't let him have it. They then left the ring together with the title.

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Yeah, this IS off-air, but REALLY? Cena and Punk working together? Guess they see Punk as a full-fledged face now.
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Old 08-16-2011, 09:47 AM   #477
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Yeah, if Nash coming off flat on his end of the promo with Punk was intended, I'll accept it. But otherwise? Damn, that's kinda saddening. Got the same feeling I got with the whole Rock/Cena back-and-forth earlier this year. I was expecting a lot out of Rock and Cena pretty much verbally owned him. And I've despised post-2005 Cena to no end.

Guess these guys can't bring a 90s-style promo into 2011 for anything more than nostalgia, and Nash isn't immune.. even if he crashes servers.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:00 AM   #478
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It was probably already said in this thread, but isn't it pretty obvious that Del Rio is the one who somehow got that text sent? "Lay out the winner for me" isn't specific to just Punk.
Hope not, because it's TOO obvious. Not saying they need to swerve people for the sake of swerving people and make it someone 100% uninvolved out of the blue. That would be kind of a let down. It would be a let down in the "Rikishi drove the car" kind of way.

It wasn't directly what the instructions were, it was how it was worded. Who calls Nash "Big man" besides his friends? Yes, Of The River gained the most, but we're supposed to doubt the integrity of Triple Doofus right now. Also, we have a list of suspects in Hunter himself, Super Dave, the re-emerged Billion Dollar Princess, and any multitude of Kliq members up to and including HBK.

Del Rio simply buying off Nash would be one thing, he has the kayfabe money for it. But with that said, if a guy who flaunts his money can just buy a favor, why go through the trouble of "tricking" Nash into it?
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I don't understand how you guys can be happy with Nash's promo. CM Punk was awesome in it, but seriously Nash was boring. It was a hype, and it fell down flat.

The ending of Raw was a HUGE let down, no HHH/Cena interaction? WTF is that about? Cena getting "angry" at Del Rio made NO sense at all.

Talk about losing steam.....
HHH and Cena talked a little bit after his match ended and Cena just disappeared and then on Monday night they didn't talk. Usually any ref, wrestler or official, would restart the match right away or another official would come down to dispute it but it didn't happen. This leads me to believe that maybe HHH did know what was gonna happen and since Punk stuck it to him and Steph, he didn't want to reverse the decision and let the illusion be that Punk won so Nash could powerbomb the winner who happened to be Punk.
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How was Nash flat at the end? he got his digs in, and taunted Punk back up the ramp.

I think he got over the fact that he thinks Punk is disrespectful and ungrateful.

He got his "shoot" digs in with Indyriffic, "youve main evented, what , twice in 5 years" and the Cook dig.

I thought he was fine. He stumbled a bit at one point, but its his first Live promo on raw in 7 years.
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