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Old 09-01-2011, 06:46 PM   #1
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IYO: The World Heavyweight Championship [WWE Championship > World Heavyweight Championship]


Is the World Heavyweight Championship slowly losing it's importance. Although billed as being equivalent to the WWE's WWE Championship, it is no secret that the World Heavyweight Championship is being laid off the main event scenario for quite a while.

Don't get me wrong. It has been a part of the so called "co-main event" styling of the WWE over the year 2011, but it has never been the last match on the card for any major event of the current year, other than that of Super Smackdown Live.

In your opinion: Has the World Heavyweight Championship lost it's importance when compared to the days when it was held by wrestlers such as Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Bill Goldberg, the Undertaker and that guy from Alberta?

Here are the results for this year's pay per view World Heavyweight title bouts:

Royal Rumble: Edge (c) defeated Dolph Ziggler via pinfall (opener).

Elimination Chamber: Edge (c) defeated Rey Mysterio, Wade Barrett, Big Show, Kane and Drew McIntosh in an Elimination Chamber match (second match on the card).

Wrestlemania XXVII: Edge (c) defeated Alberto Del Rio via pinfall (opener).

Extreme Rules: Christian defeated Alberto Del Rio in a ladder match to win the World Heavyweight title for the first time in his career (third last on the card).

Over the Limit: Randy Orton (c) defeated Christian via pinfall (third last on the card).

Capitol Punishment: Randy Orton (c) defeated Christian via pinfall (third last on the card).

Money in the Bank: Christian defeated Randy Orton (c) via dq to win his second World Heavyweight Championship. (second last on the card).

SummerSlam: Randy Orton defeated Christian (c) via pinfall to win the World Heavyweight Championship. (second last on the card).


P. S. Is anyone digging the ruby coloured back of the World Heavyweight Championship?
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:47 PM   #2
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It hasn't been important for a long time. Christian winning it did it no favors.
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I remember a certain member comparing it to the status of the Intercontinental title in the 80s.
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:50 PM   #4
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Yeah, I remember when Honky Tonk Man would lose it every show and then win it back at the next one.
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:51 PM   #5
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Oh wait, that never fucking happened. He held it for 454 days instead.
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Then he lost it for a day to Dolph Ziggler or Jack Swagger.
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It hasn't been important for a long time. Christian winning it did it no favors.
I believe that they are trying resurrect it's image by gifting it to Mark Henry as a token of their appreciation for hanging around for so long.
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Pretty much the same for every belt, not just WHC.
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Pretty much the same for every belt, not just WHC.
They've been doing a good job making the WWE title look important. Even the transitional WWE title reigns look legit most of the time.
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Just give him the damn title
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:56 PM   #12
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the Internet Championship has a better track record than the WHC right now. Sad.
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In your opinion: Has the World Heavyweight Championship lost it's importance when compared to the days when it was held by wrestlers such as Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Bill Goldberg, the Undertaker and that guy from Alberta?
Most of the names you have mentioned were from when it was on RAW. The belt on RAW is always going to be their "main" belt.
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Most of the names you have mentioned were from when it was on RAW. The belt on RAW is always going to be their "main" belt.
As a matter of fact, I remember Jim Ross calling it "the richest price in our industry".
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You answered your own question in your first post.

IMO It's not the most important title, but it's still important.
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It hasn't been important for a long time. Christian winning it did it no favors.
WTF? Christian is a credible champion, but WWE always screws him over from a booking standpoint. Not his fault that WWE treats the WHC as being inferior to the WWE Title.

Names that made the WHC lose it's credibility would be guys like David Arquette and The Great Khali....
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Most of the names you have mentioned were from when it was on RAW. The belt on RAW is always going to be their "main" belt.
This.

Personally, I do see the WHC as "below" the WWE Title and I think it's booked as such. But I could care less about it's "importance" (or how the champion is booked) when there are matches like the ones Christian and Orton have been having.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:09 PM   #18
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Yeah, as long as the fueds for the WHC are interesting and good, the WHC will be as prestigious as the WWE Title imo...
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The WHC lost its "importance" a long time ago...

...it's been playing second fiddle to the WWE Title for YEARS now.
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Whichever title is on Raw will be the WWE's main title.

However, the World Championship has always been my favourite belt. Since it's days in WCW. It perfectly symbolizes what a world championship should look like.
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Triple H was the WWE Superstar who really gave prominensce to the WHC...

...when he was Champion, or a contender, is when the WHC was at its best.
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WTF? Christian is a credible champion, but WWE always screws him over from a booking standpoint. Not his fault that WWE treats the WHC as being inferior to the WWE Title.

Names that made the WHC lose it's credibility would be guys like David Arquette and The Great Khali....
He won in it a ladder match after Edge distracted Del Rio.
He won it by being KICKED IN THE BALLS.

FFS, Seriously. Be a mark for someone credible.
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Yeah, as long as the fueds for the WHC are interesting and good, the WHC will be as prestigious as the WWE Title imo...
Unless they're making Christian look "bad", right?
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This is because SD isn't the flagship program plain and simple as that when the WWE Championship was on that show it was same case.
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Unless they're making Christian look "bad", right?

What exactly would you consider "burying" a character to be??? Cause IMO, having him win the belt, and lose it two days later is burying a character. Then, doing a long, drawn out fued, where week after week, his character is being sold as the guy who can't beat Orton one on one. Another form of burying a character. Not to mention the fact that his heel turn gave him zero momentum or any sort of upper hand in the fued. Again, making the fued look pointless and another way of making Orton look superior to Christian.

Seriously, sometimes I wonder why WWE marks can't see the obvious. And that is, for years, WWE has buried Christian and will continue to do so. Of course, most fans here wouldn't know a talented guy if they saw one. According to fans here, Daniel Bryan sucks and he's IMO one of the most talented new comers to step foot in WWE in a while. Coincidentally, he's also being buried in the form of Cole's commentary and in most of his matches...
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He won in it a ladder match after Edge distracted Del Rio.
He won it by being KICKED IN THE BALLS.

FFS, Seriously. Be a mark for someone credible.
Spoken like a true WWE mark.....

If you wanna mark out ignorantly and not reconize flaws, go ahead. As for me, I tend to appreciate wrestlers that are more talented than the guys WWE tries to force down my throat.
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Jack swaggers reign didn't help the belts credibility either
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:03 PM   #29
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Jack swaggers reign didn't help the belts credibility either
Much like Christian, Jack Swagger's reign was fine, it was shitty booking that fucks up the credibility of the WHC. One minute he was in the main events, and the next he can't win a match on Superstars. It's no wonder WWE can't find the next breakout star with such inconsistency. Either someone deserves to be in the main events or they don't. How credible does the belt look if someone who held it a year ago can't win a match now???
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Old 09-03-2011, 12:02 AM   #30
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Seriously ABT? Really?
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:02 AM   #31
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You don't want to argue about Swagger's World title reign with ABT and Guru Dave.
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:08 AM   #32
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Jack Sthwagger was a horrible champ. I don't get why the guy is still around. He looks awkward in the ring, has that lisp and basically has no mic skills at all. I'd rather have Chris Masters in the Federation than swagger.
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:09 AM   #33
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Yeah, I remember when Honky Tonk Man would lose it every show and then win it back at the next one.
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Oh wait, that never fucking happened. He held it for 454 days instead.
It was Xero Limit 126 who compared the World's Heavyweight title to the 80's Intercontinental title belt. I am pretty sure that he wasn't referring to title reigns when he was comparing them. As a matter of fact, he was comparing the prestige of the belts.
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:01 AM   #34
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Alot has to do with who the champ is. Id say right now its the number one belt because del rio is wwe champ
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:15 AM   #35
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What exactly would you consider "burying" a character to be??? Cause IMO, having him win the belt, and lose it two days later is burying a character. Then, doing a long, drawn out fued, where week after week, his character is being sold as the guy who can't beat Orton one on one. Another form of burying a character. Not to mention the fact that his heel turn gave him zero momentum or any sort of upper hand in the fued. Again, making the fued look pointless and another way of making Orton look superior to Christian.

Seriously, sometimes I wonder why WWE marks can't see the obvious. And that is, for years, WWE has buried Christian and will continue to do so. Of course, most fans here wouldn't know a talented guy if they saw one. According to fans here, Daniel Bryan sucks and he's IMO one of the most talented new comers to step foot in WWE in a while. Coincidentally, he's also being buried in the form of Cole's commentary and in most of his matches...
Oh come on not this again. Christian has been involved in a World Championship match the last five PPV's in a row, four of which against Randy Orton, WWE's #2 guy after Cena.

And how is Bryan being buried? The guy is 5'10, 190lbs. What do you want from him? A 183-match win-streak? The guy is supposedly set for a World Championship match at Wrestlemania, and week in and week out is consistently putting on excellent matches. Yes, he's losing these matches. But he's losing them to the likes of Del Rio and Christian, both champions of their respective brands. Just because Daniel Bryan has stated he's cashing in at Wrestlemania, you can't suddenly have him become an invincible Superman-esque character.
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:25 AM   #36
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I thought the Christian-Orton fued was top drawer despite the "burial" of Christian (who is my favourite wrestler). With that said, no need to argue with ccm any further.

I also thought Swagger was excellent as champ. His promos were hilarious and his matches were good. He suffered from "First Time Champ Syndrome" where they wouldn't put him over strongly (see Benoit's run, Punk's first, etc) and that effects perception of him/his run. Also, from what I gather, very few people here even watch SmackDown on a regular basis (I'd wager even less people back then) so they're ill-informed at best.
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:34 AM   #37
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WHC has always been second fiddle to the WWE championship ALWAYS!
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Old 09-03-2011, 03:14 AM   #38
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Whatever title is on RAW will be the main focus of the WWE. Sometimes I do wish they'd let World Heavyweight Title matches close shows, but whatever. That's just the way it is. Christian has also been a fine champ, and has been perfectly elevated by his World Title wins. He could realistically win the World Heavyweight Title at any time, in my opinion, as they've put him over as a guy who is consistently in the hunt -- and he's proven himself a reliable main event worker. If Orton hurt himself tomorrow, they might consider giving the belt to Mark Henry -- but Christian would be an equally logical choice.

And, as long as the WWE tells you it's a World Title, the big gold belt is going to have significance. They couldn't even keep up telling us the ECW Title was a World Title after the Benoit stuff happened. The WWE doesn't "accidentally" put the World Heavyweight Title on anybody. They've tried to use it to elevate guys in the past (Jack Swagger, CM Punk, The Great Khali, etc.) with mixed results -- but they have also tried that with the WWE Championship (Sheamus' sudden title win).

Next year at WrestleMania, it's very likely that the World Heavyweight Title will be involved in the best in-ring match on the card, so that should be a boost for it.
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Old 09-03-2011, 04:14 AM   #39
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Seriously ABT? Really?
I didn't like the fact that Swagger went from extreme jobber to Mr. Money in the Bank in one fell swoop. I didn't like that he dethroned Jericho on a SmackDOWN! to become champ. However, once he was champ, he was in some good, entertaining matches, and he delivered some very solid promos. I liked his time at the top of the blue brand, and if you forgive everything that I just mentioned, his actual "reign" was more than passable. He went over some big names in decent fashions and he really felt like he belonged there when the belt was around his waist.
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Old 09-03-2011, 04:17 AM   #40
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I thought the Christian-Orton fued was top drawer despite the "burial" of Christian (who is my favourite wrestler). With that said, no need to argue with ccm any further.

I also thought Swagger was excellent as champ. His promos were hilarious and his matches were good. He suffered from "First Time Champ Syndrome" where they wouldn't put him over strongly (see Benoit's run, Punk's first, etc) and that effects perception of him/his run. Also, from what I gather, very few people here even watch SmackDown on a regular basis (I'd wager even less people back then) so they're ill-informed at best.
I just wanted to say that I watched Smackdown regularly during Swagger's entire reign.
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