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Old 10-30-2011, 08:43 PM   #1
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I like Junior but I think Cain is gonna smash him.. Dos Santos has the better hands (slightly) but Cain will def out wrestle him if it gets hairy on the feet..

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No clue to be honest. I like JDS so much from watching him on the Ultimate Fighter that I'll be cheering for him, and his boxing is very good, but it wouldn't surprise me if Cain came out and scored a first round KO either.

I will say this though, if Cain feels so overmatched in the standup that he needs to take this fight to the ground for an extended period of time, the ratings for the event will be shit. No one is tuning in to see a grappling match or hear Mike Goldberg drone on and on about Cain's great Arizona State wrestling pedigree or how it led to his friendships with Ryan Bader, C.B. Dolloway and Aaron Simpson. Plus I don't think either guy is so much better in jiu jitsu than the other that we'd see a submission.
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I don't know who's gonna win, and I don't care....this will be epic!
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I want to give JDS the edge simply because Cain is coming off a near year long layoff because of his injury and surgery.

It is crazy to think that Cain got mowed down by Lesnar and most likely tearing his shoulder trying to avoid the Lesnar train take down and still managed to muscle Lesnar off him, get back to the feet and TKO Lesnar with punches.
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Old 11-03-2011, 12:03 AM   #5
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Cain is a beast in the gym so I wouldn't say he'll be rusty..
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Cain is aggressive even when he's on the ropes and he doesn't panic. JDS is a good boxer but I have only seen his last 2 fights in which he won by decision and I don't know how he does in a tough situation so unless JDS knocks out Cain, I have Cain coming out on top.
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FOX releases full schedule:

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FOX Announces Loaded TV Lineup for UFC Debut
By Ariel Helwani


FOX has announced its full lineup of programming that will air before and after next Saturday's historic UFC telecast, and it's without a doubt the most impressive TV lineup served up to fans surrounding any UFC event.

In addition to the one-hour telecast on FOX, which will feature Cain Velasquez vs. Junior dos Santos for the UFC heavyweight title, UFC programming will air on FUEL TV and FOX Deportes.

Below is an easy to read schedule of everything you can expect to see:

Friday, Nov. 11:
7:00 p.m. ET / 4 p.m. PT -- Weigh-ins live on FUEL TV
7:00 P.M. ET -- Cain Velasquez: Brown Pride, episode 3 on FOX Deportes

Saturday, Nov. 12:
3:00 p.m. ET -- Cain Velasquez: Brown Pride, episodes 1-3 on FOX Deportes
4:45 p.m. ET -- UFC on FOX prelims live on Facebook and FOXSports.com
5:30 p.m. ET -- Weigh-ins re-air on FUEL TV
6:00 p.m. ET -- UFC Primetime re-air on FUEL TV
6:00 p.m. ET -- Re-air of Cain Velasquez vs. Brock Lesnar on FOX Deportes
7:00 p.m. ET -- UFC prelims live on FOX Deportes
7:00 p.m. ET -- Pre-fight show on FUEL TV, hosted by Glazer, along with Kenny Florian and Stephan Bonnar
9:00 p.m. ET -- UFC on FOX broadcast, hosted by Curt Menefee, along with Dana White, Brock Lesnar and Joe Rogan. Mike Goldberg and Rogan will call the heavyweight title fight.
10 p.m. ET -- UFC on FOX post-fight show on FUEL TV, hosted by Glazer, along with Florian and Bonnar

In addition, FOX Sports Radio will air five hours live coverage on Nov. 12, which will include pre-fight analysis, the call of the heavyweight title fight and a post-fight show hosted by MMA journalist Larry Pepe.

UFC on FOX 1 takes place at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif.
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Don't no why they are showing all that on Fuel TV.. Why not just play them on FOX?? I mean what would you be disrupting?? Episodes of The Beverly Hillbillies or Andy Griffith??
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Makes sense. You don't want MMA overload on the main network.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:37 PM   #10
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I understand that, but like the weigh-ins Friday and the post fight show Saturday should be availible to all fans, not just ones who happen to have Fuel TV..
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Also, LOL @ "Cain Velasquez: Brown Pride", episodes 1-3 on FOX Deportes..
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Really looking forward to this fight but I wish that they were showing Guida/Henderson on TV too.
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Me too..

I read this earlier today..

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by Steven Marrocco on Nov 03, 2011 at 4:45 pm ET

A fight that could very well determine the next contender to the UFC lightweight crown is "dark."

But at least one half of that untelevised fight is not discouraged, according to his rep. Lightweight Clay Guida is using an apparent change in plans to motivate a better performance against Ben Henderson at UFC on FOX 1.

"He has a pretty firm understanding that it's FOX's call, that FOX doesn't think he has what it takes to draw viewers," John Fosco, Guida's manager, today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "That motivates the hell out of him, and he just feels that it's more reason to go out there and put it on Ben."

Guida (29-11 MMA, 9-5 UFC) vs. Henderson (14-2 MMA, 2-0 UFC) takes co-main-event status at UFC on FOX 1, which takes place Nov. 12 at Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif. A heavyweight title fight between current champ Cain Velasquez and challenger Junior Dos Santos takes center stage on a live one-hour broadcast on FOX.

The one-fight main card represents a shift for the UFC's network-television debut. Fosco said he had been told that Guida vs. Henderson would be broadcast if the main event went two-and-a-half rounds or fewer.

An announcement this week said otherwise, though. Instead of trying to squeeze the co-main event into the live broadcast, the UFC announced it'll put all of its attention on the main event as a throwback to big boxing events. All other fights, including Guida vs. Henderson, on the Nov. 12 card will be streamed live on FOX.com and Facebook.

"Our goal has always been to bring big fights back to network television," UFC president Dana White said earlier this week. "We are thinking long-term for the future of this sport. It is an investment in the future of the UFC. Fans that have never seen the UFC before will see this show, and that’s why we decided to put Cain and Junior in this position.

"I know for a fact this is going to be an awesome fight. I know it is going to be great. That's why it was these two in this position. I have no worries at all this is going to be a great fight."

While initially disappointed with this week's news, Fosco said he understands the unique situation presented by the UFC's network debut.

"That's why we don't blame (UFC matchmaker) Joe Silva," he said. "Because when I spoke with Joe [on Wednesday], Joe said, 'Do you really think I want to have Guida vs. Henderson, a fight that can bring in ratings and bring in revenue, dark? Do you think that helps anybody?' And I believe Joe.

"I think this was FOX's call to say even if this fight is 10 seconds, we want to spend the rest of the time educating the new viewer on what the sport is about rather than just showing another fight."

But regardless of how many fans see Guida vs. Henderson, the manager believes the stakes of the fight remain the same. With the logjam in the lightweight division removed by champ Frankie Edgar's spectacular title defense over Gray Maynard this past month, standout Melvin Guillard's loss to Joe Lauzon, and Strikeforce lightweight champ Gilbert Melendez inked for a Dec. 17 title defense, the winner of the fight deserves to be next in line.

"We highly expect a title shot with a win," Fosco said.

With that expectation, Team Guida has more than enough fuel for the fire.

"Clay's going to have people wish they could have seen it on FOX," Fosco added.

For the latest on UFC on FOX 1, stay tuned to the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com.
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Don't really see how a former WEC light weight champ vs. a fan favorite, pretty much for the number one contender spot in the UFC's deepest weight class wouldn't draw but hey, what do I know..
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Im sure they will show it if the main event is real short
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Don't really see how a former WEC light weight champ vs. a fan favorite, pretty much for the number one contender spot in the UFC's deepest weight class wouldn't draw but hey, what do I know..
Especially since those two would bring it no matter what. It would also probably be a decent idea for them to showcase more than the heavyweights.

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Nope. Apparently even if Cain/Junior only goes 30 seconds that's all we're getting.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/11/3...y-guida-on-fox

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It's really silly. Like, I'm having a few people over to watch the show and we're all going to want to watch Guida/Henderson too but it's so shitty crowding around my tiny ass monitor to watch the fight when we could be watching it on my television.
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I do not understand why the UFC's debut on Fox would only highlight one fight. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. Since it is only one fight I probably will not be too bothered if I miss it and in no way am I going to get together with a bunch of my friends to watch a single fight. On the other hand, if this was a full stacked card of fights you can bet your ass I won't miss it and probably have a few buddies over as well.
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All FOX's decision..
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Yeah, I've gone back and forth on this too. At first I thought it was a good idea to just feature the main event, but Guida v. Henderson has the potential to be an even more exciting fight. It would make sense for them to at least show the co-main event too.

At the same time, I can understand where Fox is coming from. Most people didn't/don't buy a Tyson, Roy Jones Jr., De La Hoya, Pacquiao or Mayweather PPV and sit down to watch the entire undercard. They tune in for the main event whether it goes 1 round or 12 3 minute rounds.

It's just risky because even if for some strange reason Guida/Henderson was a dud, they would still have the Velasquez/Dos Santos fight to potentially save it or vice versa. With only one fight, if it ends up being boring it will be hard to hype up the next one.
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Yeah but there Saturday lineup as of late has been the World Series or replays of America's Most Wanted/sitcoms..

Seems a huge waste to not air atleast 4-5 of the fights..
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They canceled Terminator:SCC, fuck Fox.
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So, now Fox is going to be showing Guida/Henderson on TV with one other fight on FOX Deportes.

Doesn't help me at all, but maybe some of you get the channel.
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The other thing is, the deal doesn't actually start until 2012. This show just serves as a "Bonus." So maybe Fox didn't want to commit to a full slate until they could ensure they'd have the production capabilities to "make it theirs." Just speculation on my part, but it may explain why things are so scattered.
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Sunday's well-received "UFC Primetime: Velasquez vs. Dos Santos" pre-event special earned a 1.3 household rating and averaged two million viewers.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) today confirmed the Oct. 30 program's ratings information with an industry source.

The one-hour special, which was the first significant UFC programming on the FOX network, scored a 0.98 rating among men 18-49 and a 0.99 among men 18-34.

That means many of the viewers came from demographics that traditionally do poorly with UFC programming.

However, the "Primetime" special either preceded or followed NFL games in most FOX markets, though the times and lead-ins fluctuated wildly. But as a comparison, the primary NFL game at 1 p.m. ET on FOX averaged 17 million viewers.

The UFC special followed UFC heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez and top contender Junior Dos Santos as they prepare for the Nov. 12 event, UFC on FOX 1. The event – which is the UFC's first on major network television – takes place at Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif. Only the title fight airs on FOX, and the full undercard streams on FOX.com and Facebook prior to the one-hour network-TV debut.

"UFC Primetime" usually is a three-part weekly series that airs on Spike TV. However, given the UFC's new seven-year deal with FOX (and FX and FUEL TV), and given the need to introduce the UFC's fighting brand to new viewers, "Primetime" was scaled down to a one-hour special for this past weekend's broadcast. The show rightfully has earned rave reviews.

FOX is available in approximately 115 million homes. Spike TV, which is available in approximately 100 million, has averaged 1.9 million viewers for its four UFC Fight Night and The Ultimate Fighter Finale events this year, as well as 1.4 million viewers for this year's two seasons of "The Ultimate Fighter" reality series. However, specialty programming such as "Countdown" and "Primetime" shows rarely draws more than one million viewers.

For the latest on UFC on FOX 1, stay tuned to the UFC Rumors section of MMAjunkie.com.
2 million viewers. Apparently, it's a big deal because the UFC was down in its key demographic, so the bulk of the ratings came from people who don't normally watch the sport. Plus, they were going against football and the show aired in all sorts of weird timeslots.
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So, now Fox is going to be showing Guida/Henderson on TV .
Where did you see this cause I can't find that news anywhere..
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Where did you see this cause I can't find that news anywhere..
Got it from here: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/11/4...irier-mma-news

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Earlier this week, Dana White made it clear that only one fight would be shown on Fox on November 12th - the UFC heavyweight title fight between Cain Velasquez and Junior dos Santos. Even if it only went 30 seconds. A lot of people wanted to see the Ben Henderson vs. Clay Guida fight on there too, but unfortunately it was relegated to Facebook. A glimmer of hope has arisen from the ashes though, and it appears that Henderson/Guida will be on TV after all, along with Pablo Garza vs. Dustin Poirier. They will air on Fox Deportes, Fox's Spanish sister station.
While this might seem like great news on the surface, Deportes doesn't have a lot of reach. It is only available in 18 million households in the country, as opposed to Fox which is available in 115 million homes. But if you prefer to watch Bendo vs. Guida on TV and you actually get the channel, you're set. If not, there's always Facebook
edit- It's Fox Deportes though not the regular Fox channel.
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Also, just an FYI, but BloodyElbow is kinda unreliable.. Not saying this isn't true but they have "reported" alot of shit that hasn't come true..
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Really? I've found so far that the SBNation stuff is usually pretty good. Bloody elbow though is more of a blog and certain writers are definitely much better and more reliable than some of the others.

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Also, just an FYI, but BloodyElbow is kinda unreliable.. Not saying this isn't true but they have "reported" alot of shit that hasn't come true..
SB Nation just bought mmafighting.com from AOL. Ugh! I guess that sites going to be just as shitty as the garbage that gets thrown up on the SB Nation sites.
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I saw that..

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I really don't get the SBNation hate. Regardless, I had heard about the acquisition last week. One of the writers on BE got fired right after it happened. Apparently he got into some twitter beef with Ariel Helwani like just days before and it seems that Helwani holds grudges.

Feel bad for the guy because he had one of the best weekly columns on the site.
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In my opinion, most of the SB Nation content is crap. The MMA page looks like something a search engine spammer would make or a really shitty blog.

MMAfighting and MMA Junkie have legit sports reporters who are reliable and break news, not just submit bunk based more on opinion than fact. Luke Thomas is such a joke, he can't even get a UFC press pass so any news he "breaks" is second hand crap anyways. That's probably why they bought MMAfighting anyways. They want real credibility.
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FOX releases full schedule:
If I'm reading the t.v. schedule right, the match selections and fight times are even more retarded.

If the prelims start at 4:45, they'll be done by 7:15 at the latest. They usually don't start until 6:15. That would mean there's a 2+ hour gap between the last prelim fight and the main event.

The people who bought a ticket to that show are going to be pissed. Especially if the Poirier/Garza & Guida/Hendo fights are fireworks like expected and then they have to sit through two different pre-shows. MMA, L.A. fans, booze and delays don't make for a good mix. They better have Arianny Celeste and Brittney Palmer stripping or something.
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btw for us Brits this is on Premier Sports if youve got it on Sky, cuz ESPN are fucking idiots.
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