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Old 01-14-2012, 11:35 AM   #41
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Cole is awesome. The IWC just hates him because he makes fun of their jerk off material. Punk does the exact same thing as Cole does to the heels.
Smark hypocrisy?

I've believed you before, but that just strains credibility.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:05 AM   #42
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Michael Cole is a capable announcer, he's just not suited for it with his current character. There's no play-by-play guy in the booth, currently. If they want Cole out there, they need to have Josh Mathews out there as well. Someone providing a more level-headed balance. Personally, I think they need to get rid of Cole out of the booth on RAW and SmackDown!, though. At least temporarily. He could be used far more efficiently as the mouthpiece for someone.

Also, since Jerry Lawler has spoken out about commentary, I would probably give him a job helping out younger talents elsewhere. Have Josh Mathews or Jim Ross handle the play-by-play duties on RAW (or have both), and give another color commentator the chance to shine on RAW. William Regal could use a bit more polish, and I personally don't like Booker T in the commentary booth. I would suggest Matt Striker, but the company doesn't trust him there, and he's not really a "name." JBL would be a perfect choice, in all honesty. He knew how to be a heel and put over basically everyone.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:35 AM   #43
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I like Booker T as a commentator in a train-wreck sort of way. Sort of like Mike Adamle.
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Old 01-15-2012, 02:26 PM   #44
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Regal is perfect on NXT. He'd be out of his element on Raw or Smackdown, but as the "veteren giving advice to the rookies"" style that he has, he's perfect for the show.
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Michael Cole is pretty funny. Why all the hate for him? At least he's entertaining unlike the snoozefest that is Daniel Bryan. So what if he is burying rasslers if they were good it wouldna matter. Amirite lads?
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:11 PM   #46
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Shisen speaks the truth like usual.
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Michael Cole might go a little, just a little too far with it, but he is not the reason for viewer decline. Heel announcers have been putting down the talent for as long as I can remember. Lawler did it and so did Heenan, but I didn't hear them go as far as to insult people because of a legitimate illness they had (if they did, I didn't hear it because I either didn't pay attention or wasn't there to hear it). Nevertheless, the populace isn't basing this on the commentators as much as people here are giving them credit for. It is because, like I've said many MANY times before, of a lack of a rival federation that matches up with them.
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Cole was gold on NXT
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A Michael Cole and William Regal duo on NXT could potentially be greatness.
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Haven't they been on together before? It feels like with all the combinations, they would have had to have been for at least one or two episodes.
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:41 AM   #51
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Michael Cole might go a little, just a little too far with it, but he is not the reason for viewer decline. Heel announcers have been putting down the talent for as long as I can remember. Lawler did it and so did Heenan, but I didn't hear them go as far as to insult people because of a legitimate illness they had (if they did, I didn't hear it because I either didn't pay attention or wasn't there to hear it). Nevertheless, the populace isn't basing this on the commentators as much as people here are giving them credit for. It is because, like I've said many MANY times before, of a lack of a rival federation that matches up with them.
People seriously need to grasp the difference between an announcer and a color commentator. It seems like it needs to be restated on every page.
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The only color commentator in the WWE right now is Booker T, right?
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Cole was gold on NXT
So the thrust of his commentary is "lollll this show sucks."
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The only color commentator in the WWE right now is Booker T, right?
... Jerry Lawler... William Regal...

You know, people who are there to to commentary on the action as opposed to play by play.

Hence the titles.
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So the thrust of his commentary is "lollll this show sucks."
Pretty much. And since the show is for the most part generic, green rookies who make you cringe on the mic and all have identical characters which makes the matches usually paint-by-numbers and not really important, I enjoy it. The fact that the commentators act like they're not even on the air half the time makes NXT. It's not like there's product integrity to protect or anything.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:15 AM   #56
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Pretty much. And since the show is for the most part generic, green rookies who make you cringe on the mic and all have identical characters which makes the matches usually paint-by-numbers and not really important, I enjoy it. The fact that the commentators act like they're not even on the air half the time makes NXT. It's not like there's product integrity to protect or anything.
I love the message here. It's okay to put out shit as long as we remind you it's shit constantly.
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I love the message here. It's okay to put out shit as long as we remind you it's shit constantly.
I didn't say it was okay to put out shit...
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People seriously need to grasp the difference between an announcer and a color commentator. It seems like it needs to be restated on every page.
So sue me, I made a typo!
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It wasn't a typo I was referring to. It was the lumping in of Heenan and Lawler with Cole. They have very different jobs.
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I didn't say it was okay to put out shit...
Not in those exact words. You're just endorsing content you know is shit because they remind us it's shit.
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So sue me, I made a typo!
Dude, learn what a typo is.

If you're lost, look at a Clox post. Statistically, there's two typos per word.
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Not in those exact words. You're just endorsing content you know is shit because they remind us it's shit.
I don't think it's shit. I like NXT. Pretty much because of the commentary and sometimes because it's fun to watch the trainwreck.
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Yes, you don't think it's shit. Just a trainwreck.
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Yes, you don't think it's shit. Just a trainwreck.
One made entertaining by the awkwardness and commentary.
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It's like watching a wrestling version of MST3K.
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It's like watching a wrestling version of MST3K.
Except MST3K didn't produce both the content and the commentary.
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Who gives a fuck who produced the content? I like the show for the same reasons.
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You're stuck in this mindset of "It's a wrestling show so you're only allowed to be entertained by the commonly accepted 'wrestling show' aspects of it".
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Old 01-16-2012, 06:25 PM   #69
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People seriously need to grasp the difference between an announcer and a color commentator. It seems like it needs to be restated on every page.
I think the bigger issue is that WWE needs to grasp that concept with Cole.

I've stated that he's capable on the mic, and capable as a heat machine, but they need to separate the "two characters" of Cole and chose one direction. The same guy goes from calling the action fairly impartially to one match, to becoming dedicated to burying Daniel Bryan in the next, then completely ignoring calling the 3rd match to talk about something else, such as bashing JR or Booker T depending on the show, having an out and out orgasm when Miz arrives, then back to impartial action calling in the course of one show.

And where does all that heat go when he does trash someone? Nowhere. He can "like this kid" or "hate that guy" all he wants, but they kind of make it as meaningless as Booker T's Fave Five with 18 people in it. Even Booker or JR will point out positive traits in people they don't really "like" in terms of faces and heels (Booker, for example, has been putting over Wade Barrett for quite awhile, and his complaint about Cody Rhodes before their little program was that "he has all the tools, but he *has* to use that facemask as a weapon!!!"). There's no flaw in who Cole likes, and nothing good in who "bugs" him. This would be served better to speak in those terms if he were a manager or some other onscreen personality who's job wasn't to try to get all the in ring talent over. There's no point in badmouthing someone like Ryder if it only serves to make him sound weak and worthless in the long run. It's akin to what Austin was trying to do with calling Lance Storm "boring" as opposed to what actually happened... it backfired. One of the reasons why it did was because Steve just gave the crowd something else to chant, like "Asshole" or "What!?"

Again, I say either scale his character down a bit OR take his ass out of the booth and give him a heel stable to run with. He could be ranked up there with the likes of Heenan as a manager, and people would love to see him in a position to get his ass kicked by whatever face is in a feud with one of his clients.
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Old 01-16-2012, 06:36 PM   #70
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#1-wwf-fan, you like it because it is so shitty it's good.
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Old 01-16-2012, 06:40 PM   #71
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#1-wwf-fan, you like it because it is so shitty it's good.
More like I like the commentary on the rookies being so shitty. And the awkwardness of them being shitty.

When you say "You like it because it's so shitty..." it implies that I find the show as a whole as shitty and that's not the case. The shitty aspects feed the aspects that I find amazing.
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Old 01-16-2012, 06:43 PM   #72
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Thus making me find the show as a whole... not shitty.
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But the aspects you find amazing are the "hilariously shitty" parts, so the shitty parts feed the shitty parts which make it not shitty. You are full of shit.
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I don't find the commentary hilariously shitty! I find the commentary hilarious! Shit!
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I swear I'm gonna kick you in the balls if you say the word "shitty" one more time!
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To be fair, Kane Knight started the "shit" talk.
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This is about as bad as that episode of South Park where saying "SHIT!" 160 times makes an apocalyptic dragon come out of the ground.
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:10 PM   #78
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You're stuck in this mindset of "It's a wrestling show so you're only allowed to be entertained by the commonly accepted 'wrestling show' aspects of it".
Come now, you know that's not true.
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To be fair, Kane Knight started the "shit" talk.
To be fair, it's hard not to read your posts without thinking "shit."
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To be fair, it's hard not to read your posts without thinking "shit."
Yes because "Come on now you know that's not true" is the greatest response ever after being called out on your retardation.
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