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Old 01-16-2012, 02:37 PM   #41
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CM Punk has been held back in terms of his character. Yeah, he's Champion and all that, but he has not been given the green light to go ahead and take his character, and his career, to where it potentially could go.

He's Champion, comes out every Monday, wrestles in a match, gets into it a little bit with John Laurinaitis, and that's it.
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Well, I could understand that, but it's obviously not Punk that's the problem.

And the Rumble title matches are throw away, yes, but RAW is revolving around Cena, Ryder and Kane. Seriously doubt Kane is going to win the Rumble, and no way in hell Ryder is. Cena has Rock, so what's the point of that feud at the top? The ONLY reason that feud is even happening is because they feel the need to give Cena that last rub for his feud with Rock. Which obviously doesn't need to happen.
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Old 01-16-2012, 02:59 PM   #43
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It's the top feud because the top guy in the company is involved in it. You can call it "throwaway" but it involved Cena. There's no problem with it ending shows. Especially in a situation like last week's Raw. They're booking a TV show... and the Kane, Eve, Ryder, Cena thing was the good climactic ending.
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He's Champion, comes out every Monday, wrestles in a match, gets into it a little bit with John Laurinaitis, and that's it.
Yes... because he's currently involved in an anti-establishment type storyline with Laurinaitis. You can say he's being "held back" but his entire push came from him getting one of the biggest green lights from the company in recent memory. He's still doing his thing. If your idea of being held back is that he's not able to come out and say "Fuck you John Laurinaitis, suck my dick." then yes, I guess he's being held back.

He's still playing a character... I don't see how you justify him being "held back" as opposed to him realizing that you can't just come out and "shoot" on the company every week without it eventually losing it's charm.
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My guess for Raw, they play Jericho's entrance and he doesn't come out/walks straight backstage.
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We may get one where he's just about to speak, but someone interrupts him. Like they've been doing on house shows.

That's pretty promising, too, that he's working house shows. Wouldn't have really expected that.
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My guess for Raw, they play Jericho's entrance and he doesn't come out/walks straight backstage.
I wanna see him come out smiling again with a ton of energy and run down the aisle Ultimate Warrior-style, slapping everyone's hand along the way then keep running around the ring and back up the ramp and to the back without stopping. Like... 10 seconds total.

Just seeing it and hearing the crowd go from cheering to "what the fuck was that?" in such a short span of time would be worth it.
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Who says this is the formula that needs to be followed?
Especially since it hasn't.

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CM Punk has been held back in terms of his character. Yeah, he's Champion and all that, but he has not been given the green light to go ahead and take his character, and his career, to where it potentially could go.

He's Champion, comes out every Monday, wrestles in a match, gets into it a little bit with John Laurinaitis, and that's it.
Yeah, the guy who was shooting on practically everyone is being held back. lolconspiracy.

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It's the top feud because the top guy in the company is involved in it. You can call it "throwaway" but it involved Cena. There's no problem with it ending shows. Especially in a situation like last week's Raw. They're booking a TV show... and the Kane, Eve, Ryder, Cena thing was the good climactic ending.
I hear what you're saying but the guy I like isn't in that starring role, so conspiracy!
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Does anyone think there's a possibility that "new Jericho" is schizophrenic? IIRC, the last character that was really put forward as schizo but not psycho was early Mankind. And Y2J doesn't really strike the same chord as Mick's.
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I'd love that, but kind of doubt it. Still holding onto the belief he's doing this to show Punk "how it's done".
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Though if they go Schizophrenic, they could go with Chris Jericho, who is the super babyface, and Chris Irvine, the super heel. Throw in a cameo by Moongoose McQueen and it'd be pretty amazing.

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Raw ended with a CM Punk segment. The long world-wide nightmare is over.
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Cant Mainevent Punk was not in the last segment, Johnny Ace and Foley were.
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Cant Mainevent Punk was not in the last segment, Johnny Ace and Foley were.
... as was Punk.
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no he wasnt raw ended with foley and johnny ace
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i guess david otunga was in the last segment too then?
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I don't think you know what a segment is.
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i guess david otunga was in the last segment too then?
Segments are the parts of the show between commercials.
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Foley/Ace was a different segment than Punk's promo
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is that the Official definition? source? segment is a part of the show reasonable defined
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what do you mean, like is that the official definition of a segment? isn't it just part of a show? once the match was over it was a new segment (punk's promo) then when he left it was the next segment (foley and johnny ace) and that was the final segment cause WWE does not trust Punk since he has failed in the last segment alot lately. there many, many segments every raw
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Yes. It's the generally accepted definition of a segment. Anything else would be up for debate anyway. If you wanna do that you could define Punk leaving the ring as a start of a new segment. I could say since it flowed right into Laurinaitis' promo, that was all a "segment" separate from the match. Hell, if the last shot was a shot of someone in the crowd, you could say "little kid in section 11, row 14, seat A was all alone in the last segment of the show."
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yeah but i said reasonable defined and thats not reasonable. even if punk was in the last segment he didnt close the show and thats what a real main eventer does
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Jericho is more over than Punk and Cena combined
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Well your "reasonable" is subjective. Commercial breaks aren't.
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OK what if Punk promo lost viewers again? That was one of his best since his original pipebomb so that means Punk at his best (mediocre real life jabs) is still losing viewers with PPV buys at all time lows, then I think it is a sign that he is not a draw. Punk wont be in the last segment next week 99% chance
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If Punk's segment lost viewers then it means you were right all along and the rest of us are stupid. Is that what you're looking for?
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:31 AM   #73
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Not at all. Nobody is stupid just talking here. Just brainstorming ideas for what WWE could do who knows maybe they read the forum lol
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:33 AM   #74
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Well the way you commented on Punk fans, it seems like you feel you are smarter than people here.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:35 AM   #76
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It's pretty clear he isn't.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:37 AM   #77
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Punk fans here are not dumb well maybe some are but most are at least average becuase they like him for being a smark but casuals are smarter and know better and they dont like him too much (as seen by viewership) sure he gets cheers but so does any jobber on NXT and thats mostly because Punk has been working with the best heels in the business. Remembner a heels job is to get over the face and Zigg does it perfect. Zig insults Foley and Punk comes out to the rescue of course they will cheer him. Anyways I think casual Punk fans dont exist that much only some because middle and upper class people dont want to cheer for a guy who looks like a garbage man and has to resort to real life jabs to cut a promo
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:39 AM   #78
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Oh ok. I get it now!
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I guess I dont like Punk aside from him being boring and his 5 moves of doom (seem to lead to PUNK'S DOOM since he keeps losing matches ) is because he gets praised so much and he just inst good and its proven 100% cold hard facts
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:40 AM   #80
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Oh ok. I get it now!
Glad to hear that but Im exhausted lol hopefully next time you get it faster.
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