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Old 02-28-2012, 12:51 PM   #1
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Why Doesn't Jericho's Return Generate the Same Grumblings as the Rock?
Don't get me wrong, Jericho is my favorite wrestler in WWE and I'm glad he's back. No one in the company can match him in terms of character, mic skills and in ring ability. (Not even CM Punk and all his pipe bombs).

BUT, Jericho's left for good chunks of time and come back to much hype and fanfare just like the Rock. They devote more time and creative effort into his cryptic return vignettes than they do for the matches and promos of some of the midcarders on the main roster. And when he does return, it's not like he's doing so to have programs with and put over young midcarders either.

It's not like Jericho left because he wanted to heel his body and come back stronger either. He's been chasing fame just like the Rock (movies, reality shows on ABC and Fox, game show hosting on ABC... Fozzy ).

The only difference is that Rock is successful, whereas Jericho has come up short. You'd have to be a fool to believe that Jericho would come back to wrestling if Fozzy went platinum or ABC never cancelled Downfall.

So why do the people who say dumb shit like Rock is only back because he needs to promote movies or needs the money, not make the same argument about Jericho? Shouldn't "the boys" be just as pissed at Jericho getting weeks of hype and build up that he doesn't really need (because you could have Jericho read the phone book and people would cheer) and being put immediately into one of the Mania main events without "making" someone else?

If Jericho leaves again shortly after mania, do you think people might start looking at him the way they look at the Rock?

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Old 02-28-2012, 12:55 PM   #2
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basically because Chris Jericho is not The Rock. He'd be happy to tell you that himself.
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Probably because when he does come back, he comes back fulltime, working every tv show and live event. He also likely interacts with the locker room a lot more, helping the younger talent out, while it's been said by CM Punk that Rock generally keeps to himself and doesn't interact with anyone.

Also, it's pretty common knowledge that Jericho is all about putting people over himself.
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Newer fans don't know who Jericho is..... most younger fans know Rock as the guy in the movies and the Legend in the SVR video games.....
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I was thinking how people bitch and moan that Jericho came back for a few weeks without saying a word...but worship for Crow Sting's silence for 18 months.
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Because the Rock is a bigger star than Jericho, and Jericho has been on TV more times this year alone than the Rock has in 8 years. Its a much more rare commodity.
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Newer fans don't know who Jericho is..... most younger fans know Rock as the guy in the movies and the Legend in the SVR video games.....
What? Of course New Fans know who Jericho is. He wasnt gone that long FFS.
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I was thinking how people bitch and moan that Jericho came back for a few weeks without saying a word...but worship for Crow Sting's silence for 18 months.
wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy different now come on mannnn

Sting's silence was completely natural and perfectly flowed from the story

Jericho's silence was completely random and came from nothing
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because jericho's catchphrases were never as catchy
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(because you could have Jericho read the phone book and people would cheer)


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Also, because Jericho beat Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock on the same fucking night. Only a fool would question a man who accomplished such a feat.
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He's also one of only a handful of people to ever pin Chyna in the ring.
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Simple.....Dwayne is more of a star than Jericho.
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He's also one of only a handful of people to ever pin Chyna in the ring.
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Probably because when he does come back, he comes back fulltime, working every tv show and live event. He also likely interacts with the locker room a lot more, helping the younger talent out, while it's been said by CM Punk that Rock generally keeps to himself and doesn't interact with anyone.

Also, it's pretty common knowledge that Jericho is all about putting people over himself.
And Rock ALWAYS put people over when he was in the E and subsequent returns....


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Never said Rock doesn't, but jericho definitely does it more than most.
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Jericho is on house shows and he is bringing his A-Game with him to every show. His promo last night was incredible. I literally do not know anyone who doesn't like Chris Jericho.
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Probably because when he does come back, he comes back fulltime, working every tv show and live event. He also likely interacts with the locker room a lot more, helping the younger talent out, while it's been said by CM Punk that Rock generally keeps to himself and doesn't interact with anyone.

Also, it's pretty common knowledge that Jericho is all about putting people over himself.
For me its this. Rock is obviously the bigger draw and it dilutes from his 'Mania match if hes on TV wrestling every week but Jericho does the house show circuit and Raw/Smackdown/overseas tapings when hes under contract. I dont think either one should be grumbled at though, Rock has outside interests that are successful and that allow him to promote his wrestling appearances in the mainstream which is probably better for generating buzz than him appearing week in week out on Raw, Jericho not so much but you know he'll put someone over during his time and on the way out so both do more good than harm.
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He's also one of only a handful of people to ever pin Chyna in the ring.
If I'm understanding the plot of her most recent film correctly, this is no longer true.
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if Jericho could "make it" in the same vein as Rock, if he could go out and have Fozzy be an "A list" act, be hugely famous, headline proper world tours etc, I'm sure he would and we'd see him twice a year. But he's not

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basically because Chris Jericho is not The Rock.
Rock is a once in a generation "talent" that happened to come along in an era with another once in a generation "talent", only his crossover appeal far exceeds the other, as well as every other pro wrestler ever. Jericho isn't remotely close to being on his scale to the casual fan or the rest of the world.
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Austin is the other once in a generation talent obvs, not Jericho
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I thought you meant Thrasher.
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Clearly Mosh was the workhorse of that team
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Never said Rock doesn't, but jericho definitely does it more than most.
Since we were comparing, you sort of implied it though. But thank you for the clarification.
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Old 02-28-2012, 04:07 PM   #30
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Probably because when he does come back, he comes back fulltime, working every tv show and live event. He also likely interacts with the locker room a lot more, helping the younger talent out, while it's been said by CM Punk that Rock generally keeps to himself and doesn't interact with anyone.

Also, it's pretty common knowledge that Jericho is all about putting people over himself.
That pretty much sums it up!! Jericho is a true wrestler, Rock is there for ratings!
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wrestling is a business. The best "true wrestler" is the guy that pulls in the highest ratings. That's success in professional wrestling defined, somebody people will buy a ticket or tune in to see.
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wrestling is a business. The best "true wrestler" is the guy that pulls in the highest ratings. That's success in professional wrestling defined, somebody people will buy a ticket or tune in to see.
WRONG!

The Sport of WRESTLING is about honour, integrity, respect and the fighting spirit.

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of this "Sports Entertainment" crap.
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wrestling is a business. The best "true wrestler" is the guy that pulls in the highest ratings. That's success in professional wrestling defined, somebody people will buy a ticket or tune in to see.
I think you're really making your definitions too broad.

By that logic, if Tom Cruise started appearing regularly in WWE, he would be the best wrestler in the world since he would surely draw like crazy. Hell, he'd probably be the greatest wrestler of all time.
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I think you're really making your definitions too broad.

By that logic, if Tom Cruise started appearing regularly in WWE, he would be the best wrestler in the world since he would surely draw like crazy. Hell, he'd probably be the greatest wrestler of all time.
nah, you're making my definition broad by applying something like that to it. You know exactly what I mean.
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I know what you mean. And my example is valid. The only issue you could have with it is "Well, Tom Cruise would never actually do it" but that's irrelevant. If he did, he would automatically fit your definition of a great wrestler.
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