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Old 02-14-2009, 04:06 AM   #41
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Old 02-14-2009, 05:18 AM   #42
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Old 02-14-2009, 05:34 AM   #43
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Old 02-14-2009, 10:18 AM   #44
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As opposed to the current system?.....where almost ZERO main-event stars have been created in the past four years?

2005

You had - Triple H, John Cena, Dave Batista, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, JBL, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Edge.

2009

You have Triple H, John Cena, Dave Batista, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, JBL, Undertaker, Edge, and Jeff Hardy.

Glad to see that so much has changed.



If the WWE want a SHOT of getting higher ratings and shaking things up? They need to create a situation where new stars can be pushed without there being a glass ceiling (or a ridiculously small one).


Well the thing is, the ratings war has been over for a few years now. As long as the numbers are not 1.0, 1.1, 1.0, ect they are fine. If a income is coming in, they are fine. THere is no one who will put the WWE out of business, and with dvds, t-shirts, and all those good things will make a nice income.
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:23 PM   #45
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I dunno really. I can't stand ECW and Smackdown is pretty unbearable too. I only watch Raw because usually, that's where the top talent is. I think the talent pool is just too thin, because they have so much tv time to fill. I don't want to watch WWE developmental "territories" and that's basically what ECW and to a lesser degree SD is.
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:26 AM   #46
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To be honest, a lot of today's guys get a much longer life cycle than their counterparts of yesteryear, and coupled with much more frequent televised appearances means that these guys are hugely overexposed and exhausted by the time they leave the company.

Think of an upper mid card guy from the Hogan era. Let's go with Ted DiBiase as an example. Debuted in 1987, gone in 1993. 6 years. Seemed like a lot longer, huh? That's around half the tenure that Edge has had thus far in the company.

Okay, let's try someone else. The dominant tag team of the late 80s? Demolition. Formed in 1987, gone by 1991. They existed for four years. Big Bossman? Debut = mid 1988. Gone = early 1993. Less than 5 years. About a third of the tenure Bob Holly had with the company.

And this was with just a couple PPVs per year. But it seemed like these guys were around for much longer, and contributed much more, than todays guys. I think Vince is loathe to release people who were useful at one time in case they make a difference to the opposition or simply because 'what worked once will work again'.

Rick Rude. 1987 - 1990. Three years. Around a quarter of the time Val Venis spent under contract.

Earthquake. 1989-1993. Four years. About a third of the time that Triple H has spent just main eventing. And he had main event and midcard heel runs and a successful championship tag team run in that time.

Diesel 1993 - 1996. Or, half the time John Cena has been main eventing.

Things were fresh because guys came in, got over, had a three or four year run in various differing roles, then moved on.
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The fact is that there are midcard/lowercard guys there now still waiting to break through (eg. Shelton Benjamin) who have had longer tenures with the company right now, whilst waiting for their break, than some of their biggest legends in the company's history ever had in total during their prime runs.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:33 PM   #48
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This is a very very good post.

Good insight Mr. Hunter Heyman Hindu!
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:57 PM   #49
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By your definition Raw should be WWF, Smackdown should be WCW, and ECW should be ECW and/or TNA.
I've thought about this comment for awhile (even though my short reply to this post may imply otherwise) and here is my thought:

Who cares?!?!

Between 1997 and 2001 for instance, the wrestling industry saw more 'stars' created than perhaps in any other time period....and there was a reason for this.

And it's not like the other shows went to the shitter (until 2000 atleast). Given how the WWE can still (in some way) re-arrange wrestlers around, this 'idealized' perennial state can be kept.

RAW can always be the show where new mega stars are created within a year (i.e. CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, MVP, etc.), while maintaining its top 2-3 company stars (i.e. Cena, Orton, Batista).

Smackdown can be full of "6's" then can help "3's" get noticed.

ECW can be full of '1's and '2's.

With my set-up, LONG-TERM main-eventers would be created (as opposed to transitional ones such as Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, etc. where they have a brief run and then get shat on unless they PROVE to be main-event failures.....as opposed to being victims of politics.).
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:02 PM   #50
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I would also add the following ideas to this thread of mine
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=89709

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My ideas:

1) Focus on brand identity. Let Smackdown, RAW, and ECW have their own discernable identity. A part of this identity should involve far less 'roster drafts' and very infrequent roster changes.

2) A far greater rivalry between the brands. Let their be a full blown out war at some point between the brands (it's been 8 years now since the last on screen interpromotion war and so enough time has passed).

3) More specialty PPV's. Bring back KOTR. Let Survivor Series pit the 'best 5' vs. 'the best 5' from each brand....with the winner getting a lottery pick for their brand.

4) More speciality matches on TV. Lets see more triple threat matches, fatal four ways, etc.

5) Less titles......'unique' titles. Let their be less titles in the company, but let each title be discernible in some way (i.e. a Hardcore title, a Cruiserweight title)

6) Let each title be contested at each PPV.

7) Have more 'best of 7' series' in the WWE....even between unequals. In the case of unequal matches, the inferior guy can get 1 or 2 CLEAN pinfall victories and get over that way (i.e. if Triple H defeats Matt Hardy 4-2 in a best of 7, atleast Matt Hardy can pick up 1 or 2 clean victories and hence....still establish some credibility).
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:04 PM   #51
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Two years removed since this post, and I still think this "idea" and "set-up" would best serve the WWE.

Edit - damn.....it's actually been THREE (3) years.
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:13 PM   #52
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I was actually thinking something like this the other day. Not exactly along those lines, but just in how the brand split is almost non-existent now and how the shows seem to feed each other more than they have since it began.

I've got it in my mind that SmackDown! is the wrestling show and that RAW is the "entertainment" show, but that could easily be changed to reflect different ideologies. The growth and development of rising stars like Dolph Ziggler, Cody Rhodes and Daniel Bryan (although I am getting closer and closer to considering Bryan a legitimate main eventer) would be far more effective on RAW than SmackDown!. The blue show would be more effective in getting mid-carders to that rising star level, in my opinion. By showing what they can do in a taped setting, you can prove that they're ready to move into the big pond on RAW.

So, in my opinion, Ryback is pretty well suited to SmackDown!. He's new, but he's obviously someone the company wants to push and he's getting used to things over there before he moves onto RAW. I think Mason Ryan and Alex Riley would also both suit a move over to SmackDown!, too.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:46 PM   #53
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Great points as usual Noid,

Glad to see you're still alive and kicking, and leading this section of the forum.

As I alluded to THREE (3) years ago in this very thread, I think the WWE needs to put themselves in a position where the 4's are getting TONS of air-time, while competing against each other and other 5's.

In 2012 - this means Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, CM Punk, Alberto Del Rios, The Miz, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, etc. all going up against each other in a series of tremendous matches, and then going up against the likes of John Cena and Brock Lesnar..........and even Triple H and The Rock whenever they're present.

Long story short - whenever a '4' successfully converts into a '5', that TRANSITION point is where the WWE really has a chance to do something special with a guy.

Examples - Steve Austin going over HBK at Wrestlemania 14. Randy Orton going over Chris Benoit at Summerslam 2004. Brock Lesnar going over The Rock in Summerslam 2002...........

And most recently - CM Punk going over John Cena in Chicago last year.

Unfortunately, for the WWE, they simply do not do the greatest job in pushing faces. As was the case with Lesnar in 2002 and Orton in 2004, the WWE shit the bed with Punk's face turn last year and as result, CM Punk did not take off to the heights that he should have..........and essentially, is back at being a #4.

Hopefully, they make CM Punk a tweener at some point so that he has a shot at becoming a legit #5 again.
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"If the WWE want a SHOT of getting higher ratings and shaking things up? They need to create a situation where new stars can be pushed without there being a glass ceiling (or a ridiculously small one)."
Heyman 2012 responds: My memory is a bit foggy but it does look like the WWE attempted to remedy this around that time period...........in the form of using WWE/World title victories as a way of getting wrestlers OVER as opposed to signifying that they were the true "best in the biz."

Since that time - if memory servers me correctly, guys like Jack Swagger, Christian, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, Big Show, Kane, Dolph Ziggler, Mark Henry, CM Punk, etc., have all been a world champ of sorts........despite the fact that none of them were the clear cut #1 guy in the business.

To be honest - I don't think it's too bad a strategy, and the WWE have gotten more guys over between the period 2009-2012 as opposed to 2005-2009, but I still think the REAL key for the WWE lies within the following two things:

1) Having '4's' compete with each in a series of tremendous matches with lots of air-time, and having them go over a '5' at some point (case in point - CM Punk over John Cena last year).

2) Having the ability to successfully market and push a top-tier face. This is a problem that the WWE has had since 2001 unfortunately. The WWE have always done a tremendous job at creating and pushing heels, but have not been able to do this for faces for the most part. The WWE figured it out with Randy Orton, but it came WAY too late when Orton's character was already "saturated."
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Off the top of my head, here is what I'd have for RAW:

-John Cena
-Brock Lesnar
-Dolph Ziggler
-Alberto Del Rios
-The Miz (face turn at some point - keep character similar)
-CM Punk
-Jack Swagger
-Daniel Bryan (turn face at some point - keep character similar)
-Sheamus
-Cody Rhodes
-R Truth
-Santino Marella
-etc.

Smackdown
-Randy Orton
-Kane
-Big Show
-Chris Jericho
-Christian
-Rey Mysterio
-Lord Tensai
-Brodius Clay
-Zack Ryder
-David Otunga
-William Barret
-Ted Dibiase
-etc.

NXT
-Mark Henry
-William Regal
-New characters
-etc.
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I'm wondering if a Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Zigger feud at some point could have the same type of effect that The Rock vs. Triple H had way back in 1998? (i.e. elevating both men to permanent main-event level, and elevating both men to potential "franchise players").

Especially in the case of Daniel Bryan if he is pushed right, the guy can be the next guy to lead the company.
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Thanks Heyman.

I posted in a couple of threads after Mania this year that I think Daniel Bryan is the perfect candidate to win some sort of King of the Ring tournament this year (a perfect way of setting a "4" as you describe them on the path to being a "5"). I would have also used that tournament to turn Bryan face, without changing anything about his character. I would have booked the entire tournament like this:

First Round:

* Daniel Bryan defeats Jack Swagger when Bryan forces Swagger to submit to Bryan's own version of an Ankle Lock. This would show that Bryan is not only a submission specialist, but a versatile one. It also allows his character to retain a bit of cheek -- using his opponent's own move against him and all. And Bryan gets to defeat an opponent of impressive size, which helps build his credibility.

* Dolph Ziggler beats Kofi Kingston. It really doesn't matter if you have Ziggler do it with the Zig Zag, the Sleeper Hold or even a Superkick. Ziggler is essentially moving forward here so that he and Bryan can have a match in the semi-finals. Kofi and Ziggler have worked together so many times in the past that they could have a better-than-average match in their sleep.

* Tyson Kidd defeats Hunico with his new submission hold. I originally had Michael McGillicutty in Hunico's spot, but McGillicutty hasn't really got much momentum right now. The point would be to elevate two guys by having a great wrestling match that would get their ring work noticed. Plus, Kidd moves forward and thus looks pretty good in fighting with the big boys (even if he's got no real chance to win the whole thing).

* Chris Jericho defeats Zack Ryder with the Walls of Jericho. Ryder is over as a babyface and Jericho is over as a heel -- this could really be something special. Jericho would put Ryder over by just having the kid hang with him, and then Jericho gets some heat back by forcing Ryder to submit. Everybody wins.

Semi-Finals:

* Daniel Bryan defeats Dolph Ziggler with a roll-up holding the tights. These two have had great matches in the past and would do so again. Vickie Guerrero would try to get involved, but AJ would come out and take her out. Ziggler could try and capitalise on the confusion with a roll-up using the tights on Bryan, but Bryan could reverse it and use some heelish leverage of his own as a bit of eye-for-eye treatment on Ziggler. It makes Ziggler look good in that he was technically cheated out of the win, but it also gives the heel a taste of his own medicine and allows Bryan to remain in-character.

* Chris Jericho defeats Tyson Kidd with the Walls of Jericho. This could be a tremendous match, and you could even have Bret "The Hitman" Hart in the corner of Kidd for it. Just having Kidd hang with Jericho would be great to see, and a loss here would not hurt Kidd, but it would continue to make Jericho look like one of the best in the world.

Finals:

* Daniel Bryan forces Chris Jericho to submit to The "Yes!" Lock to become the 2012 King of the Ring. It'd be the first time Bryan used his signature submission hold in the entire tournament, and it would be a fitting end to the event. Jericho and Bryan would have a tremendous match, and it would be a huge thing for Bryan to defeat the guy he lost to in his WWE debut to become the Lord and Master of a WWE Ring. Jericho would successfully help make another star.

Bryan's victory speech? "YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!"
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Basically, your idea of Ziggler vs. Bryan basically made me think of that. It seems that the WWE is pretty focused on keeping Bryan as a main priority moving forward, with his WWE Title match and all. I'm kind of hoping that AJ helps Bryan to become the WWE Champion at Over the Limit and his feud with Punk intensifies.
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:31 AM   #59
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Proposed Life Cycle:
1) Singles enhancement talent
2) Tag enhancement talent
3) Contender for tag titles
4) Win tag titles
5) Lose tag titles
6) Split tag team (via brand draft or break-up feud)
7) Contender for US title
8) Win US title
9) Lose US title
10) Random tag matches
11) Contender for IC title
12) Lose IC title
13) Contender for WH title
14) Win King of the Ring *or* Money in the Bank
15) Win WH title
16) Lose WH title
17) Contender for IC or US title
18) Win IC or US title again
19) Lose IC or US title
20) Contend for WWE title
21) Win Elimination Chamber or Royal Rumble
22) Win WWE title
23) Lose WWE title
24) DON'T GO TO TNA
25) Hell in the Cell with another established star
26) Random matches outside the title scene
27) Contender for WH or WWE title
28) Win WWE or WH title again
29) Lose WWE or WH title
30) DON'T GO TO TNA
31) "Pass the torch" to the next mega star
32) Retire
33) Act as a road agent or trainer
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:46 AM   #60
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their shelf life should be until people lose intrest and stop paying to see them.
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Off the top of my head, here is what I'd have for RAW:

-John Cena
-Brock Lesnar
-Dolph Ziggler
-Alberto Del Rios
-The Miz (face turn at some point - keep character similar)
-CM Punk
-Jack Swagger
-Daniel Bryan (turn face at some point - keep character similar)
-Sheamus
-Cody Rhodes
-R Truth
-Santino Marella
-etc.

Smackdown
-Randy Orton
-Kane
-Big Show
-Chris Jericho
-Christian
-Rey Mysterio
-Lord Tensai
-Brodius Clay
-Zack Ryder
-David Otunga
-William Barret
-Ted Dibiase
-etc.

NXT
-Mark Henry
-William Regal
-New characters
-etc.
Came here to ask you to categorize everybody currently on the roster, you are halfway there. Care to finish?
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:44 AM   #62
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I'm wondering if a Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Zigger feud at some point could have the same type of effect that The Rock vs. Triple H had way back in 1998? (i.e. elevating both men to permanent main-event level, and elevating both men to potential "franchise players").

Especially in the case of Daniel Bryan if he is pushed right, the guy can be the next guy to lead the company.
They had a fued over the US Title, the matches were great but nothing in terms of elevation came from it and that's half the problem.

WWE don't seem to be able to/want to capiatlise on what they happen across. They have a handful of guys on the cusp of being "great". Guys like Rhodes, Barrett, Bryan, Ziggler are all waiting to have a rocket strapped to them but it never seems to happen. Maybe the top of the card is just too cluttered, I dunno.

To a lesser extent you have a guy like Ryder, who isn't the greatest in the ring or on the mic but he does have charisma, a fan base and, perhaps more importantly, he is the 3rd biggest merchandise mover in the company. What do they do with him? A rushed US Title reign, write him out of the show, fluff his angle with Eve and use him to put others over. I'm not saying he could be the next Austin or Cena or even Punk but imagine if they'd done nothing with Ausitn after his KOTR speech. WWE don't seem to be able to just "run" with anything anymore.
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To establish credibility, guys need to be able to win matches against guys like Orton and Cena clean.
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Life cycle should be

Debut with a masked gimmick
Have that gimmick for a while
Come back as a generic face brother of an established star
Turn heel on him and stay heel for a few years
Go back to masked gimmick
Fall from rafters--ker-plunk!

There ya go
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Came here to ask you to categorize everybody currently on the roster, you are halfway there. Care to finish?
Sure no problem. I was actually thinking about doing this:

Let's see....


RAW:

-John Cena (5)
-Brock Lesnar (5)
-Undertaker (6 - legend)
-Triple H (6 - legend)
-Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson (5 - legend)
-Dolph Ziggler (4)
-Alberto Del Rios (4)
-The Miz (tweener/face turn at some point - keep character similar) (4)
-CM Punk (4.5)
-Jack Swagger (4)
-Daniel Bryan (turn tweener/face at some point - keep character similar) (4.5)
-Sheamus (4)
-Cody Rhodes (4)
-R Truth (4)
-Santino Marella (4)
-Zack Ryder (4)
-AJ
-Aksana
-Alicia Fox
-Beth Phoenix
-Cameron
-Eve
-Kaitlyn
-Kelly Kelly
-Kharma
-Layla
-Naomi
-Natalya
-Rosa Menedes
-Tamina Snuka
-etc.

Smackdown
-Randy Orton (6)
-Kane (6)
-Big Show (6)
-Chris Jericho (6)
-Christian (6)
-Rey Mysterio (6)
-Lord Tensai (3)
-Brodius Clay (3)
-David Otunga (3)
-Wade Barret (3)
-Ted Dibiase (3)
-Alex Riley (3)
-Damien Sandow (3)
-Drew McIntyre (3)
-Evan Bourne (3)
-Ezekiel Jackson(3)
-Heath Slater (3)
-Hornswoggle (--)
-Jinder Mahal (3)
-JTG (3)
-Justin Gabriel (3)
-Kofi Kingston (3)
-Mason Ryan (3)
-Primo (3)
-Ryback (3)
-Sakamoto (3)
-Sin Cara (3)
-Tyson Kidd (3)
-Yoshi Tatsu (3)
-etc.

NXT
-Mark Henry (2)
-William Regal (2)
-The Great Khali (2)
-Titus O'Neil (1)
-Trent Barreta (1)
-Darren Young (1)
-Epico (1)
-Camacho (1)
-A.W. (1)
-Hunico (1)
-Jey Uso (1)
-Jimmy Uso (1)
-Johnny Curtis (1)
-Michael McGillicuty (1)
-Maxine (1)
-New characters
-etc.

Not sure if this is how my absolute finals rosters would be, but it would be something like this (please keep in mind that I don't watch Smackdown or NXT and so many analysis of a number of guys might be substantially off).

The premise behind my idea, is that Smackdown would be full of 3's fighting for air-time so that they could 'strutt their stuff' and fight against other fellow 3's.......or even 6's.

On RAW - aside from the entire women's division, would be the 4's and 5's. The 4's ofcourse, are guys that are drawing the interest of the fans, and are already significantly over. Since there are less wrestlers on RAW in my proposed scenario, this allow's for the "4's" to get far more TV time......so that they have more time to showcase their wrestling abilities and personalities.......which can hopefully lead them to becoming '5's'.

And of course - times at present are now different than what it was in 2009 and pre-2009.

If at any point - a "3" on Smackdown (i.e. Jinder Mahal, Evan Bourne, etc.) is really getting over with the fans and is showing great potential, then you can move them over to RAW immediately. At the same time, if someone on RAW is starting to get 'stale', or has 'peaked' for the time being (i.e. Zack Ryder), you can immediately move them over to Smackdown.
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Thanks Heyman.

I posted in a couple of threads after Mania this year that I think Daniel Bryan is the perfect candidate to win some sort of King of the Ring tournament this year (a perfect way of setting a "4" as you describe them on the path to being a "5"). I would have also used that tournament to turn Bryan face, without changing anything about his character. I would have booked the entire tournament like this:

First Round:

* Daniel Bryan defeats Jack Swagger when Bryan forces Swagger to submit to Bryan's own version of an Ankle Lock. This would show that Bryan is not only a submission specialist, but a versatile one. It also allows his character to retain a bit of cheek -- using his opponent's own move against him and all. And Bryan gets to defeat an opponent of impressive size, which helps build his credibility.

* Dolph Ziggler beats Kofi Kingston. It really doesn't matter if you have Ziggler do it with the Zig Zag, the Sleeper Hold or even a Superkick. Ziggler is essentially moving forward here so that he and Bryan can have a match in the semi-finals. Kofi and Ziggler have worked together so many times in the past that they could have a better-than-average match in their sleep.

* Tyson Kidd defeats Hunico with his new submission hold. I originally had Michael McGillicutty in Hunico's spot, but McGillicutty hasn't really got much momentum right now. The point would be to elevate two guys by having a great wrestling match that would get their ring work noticed. Plus, Kidd moves forward and thus looks pretty good in fighting with the big boys (even if he's got no real chance to win the whole thing).

* Chris Jericho defeats Zack Ryder with the Walls of Jericho. Ryder is over as a babyface and Jericho is over as a heel -- this could really be something special. Jericho would put Ryder over by just having the kid hang with him, and then Jericho gets some heat back by forcing Ryder to submit. Everybody wins.

Semi-Finals:

* Daniel Bryan defeats Dolph Ziggler with a roll-up holding the tights. These two have had great matches in the past and would do so again. Vickie Guerrero would try to get involved, but AJ would come out and take her out. Ziggler could try and capitalise on the confusion with a roll-up using the tights on Bryan, but Bryan could reverse it and use some heelish leverage of his own as a bit of eye-for-eye treatment on Ziggler. It makes Ziggler look good in that he was technically cheated out of the win, but it also gives the heel a taste of his own medicine and allows Bryan to remain in-character.

* Chris Jericho defeats Tyson Kidd with the Walls of Jericho. This could be a tremendous match, and you could even have Bret "The Hitman" Hart in the corner of Kidd for it. Just having Kidd hang with Jericho would be great to see, and a loss here would not hurt Kidd, but it would continue to make Jericho look like one of the best in the world.

Finals:

* Daniel Bryan forces Chris Jericho to submit to The "Yes!" Lock to become the 2012 King of the Ring. It'd be the first time Bryan used his signature submission hold in the entire tournament, and it would be a fitting end to the event. Jericho and Bryan would have a tremendous match, and it would be a huge thing for Bryan to defeat the guy he lost to in his WWE debut to become the Lord and Master of a WWE Ring. Jericho would successfully help make another star.

Bryan's victory speech? "YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!"

Jericho can't "make" Bryan, because Jericho isn't a high enough calibre main eventer.
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I don't think one win against Jericho instantly makes a guy. Heath Slater, JTG and Evan Bourne all hold victories over Jericho, for example; but I do think that Jericho is entirely capable of getting people to really take notice of up-and-comers.
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But Daniel Bryan is essentially a main event guy right now anyway. I wouldn't call him a "headliner" right now, but he's certainly being established fine.
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It's a bit of a 'grey' area (especially in 2012 now where many people can win WWE/World titles and be classified as a "main-eventer").......

but I think the "new" definition of a "Level 5" guy (by the descriptions that I used) is a guy that can be counted on to be a legitimate FRANCHISE player for the company.

I'm talking about the John Cena's, the Brock Lesnar's (if he was full-time), and guys like Steve Austin, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, etc. back in their hey day.

From my descriptions, the ultimate goal of the WWE should be to take their "4's", and push/market them way in the best way possible to make them a PERMANENT 5.

For example - I thought that the WWE had acheived this when they had CM Punk go over John Cena last year in the Summer........but they ended up screwing up Punk's push.

Daniel Bryan is a bona-fide main-eventer right now.........and I'd like to see him be pushed to the point where he could be the legitimate FRANCHISE/FACE of the WWE if push came to shove. He's not quite at that level yet but I think he has potential.
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I agree with Heyman with the current system alot of stars now would not have been developed without the brand having distinct rules and superstars.
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Bryan in not a franchise player. To be a franchise player, you have to have cross-over appeal
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Yeah but Bryan has a 84% in work rate. That's important in the art of rassle.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:06 PM   #74
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Dunno. Some guys can come in, stay for-fucking-ever and always be amazing. Others (Hogan - 32 or 33 years, Flair - 40 or so?) cannot and long overstay their welcome. So I'd say part of the magic number formula is reliant on how skilled a wrestler is and how long they can go in the ring without wearing out their welcome with the fans.
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