kinda sad

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ True, but I don't ever recall anyone complaining about Austin, Rock, HBK or Taker's big pushes or them opening Raw's or getting tons of tv time. Not saying that HHH isn't an icon, but I wouldn't necessarily put him at the exact same level of guy's like Austin, Rock, Taker or Hogan either. Not to mention, outside of maybe his run in 2004/05 (year?), I don't recall anyone being sick of HHH opening Raw.

Well you are recalling incorrectly. Austin got stale like old bread when he decided to become the WWF Commish and I pleaded "Please make him go away", though looking back on it the "What" transformation period is funny to see, at the time it was a horrible escape from great storylines with real heat.

When the Rock finally turned heel it worked because people were so sick and tired of hearing the same old shit from him week after week.

People have complained about Taker's lack of in ring ability his whole career, at least until he fought Edge at WM.

Were you even watching WWE when Triple H was the big dog? Good lord it was horrible, his Steph/McMahon regime opening Raw with horrbile promo's setting up the same match we saw last month. IT was a really bad time for wrestling.

People will always get sick of the over pushed baby face it has happened to literally all of them. Hogan around 92-96, HBK in 96 (people were cheering Sid at Survivor Series, why? Because his gimmick was that of a faggot), Austin, Rock, Cena (obviously), Batista...

Babyfaces are best served chasing the title until you find "Goldberg" or "Sammartino" who is just so awesome and unbeatable that it makes sense to have a sick ass long reign with the title.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by Fragile X Well you are recalling incorrectly. Austin got stale like old bread when he decided to become the WWF Commish and I pleaded "Please make him go away", though looking back on it the "What" transformation period is funny to see, at the time it was a horrible escape from great storylines with real heat. When the Rock finally turned heel it worked because people were so sick and tired of hearing the same old shit from him week after week. People have complained about Taker's lack of in ring ability his whole career, at least until he fought Edge at WM. Were you even watching WWE when Triple H was the big dog? Good lord it was horrible, his Steph/McMahon regime opening Raw with horrbile promo's setting up the same match we saw last month. IT was a really bad time for wrestling. People will always get sick of the over pushed baby face it has happened to literally all of them. Hogan around 92-96, HBK in 96 (people were cheering Sid at Survivor Series, why? Because his gimmick was that of a faggot), Austin, Rock, Cena (obviously), Batista... Babyfaces are best served chasing the title until you find "Goldberg" or "Sammartino" who is just so awesome and unbeatable that it makes sense to have a sick ass long reign with the title.

I believe the original poster was referring mostly to the Attitude era, when guys like Rock, Austin and HHH were being built up to their best. Not post 2001-02, which I agree is when the writing, WCW invasion, etc., and everything started to go downhill.

I agree that babyfaces are best served chasing the title, especially when you have a great top heel for them to feud with. I guess when HHH was probably at his best as a heel getting tons of heat, you know, in 2000 during the HHH/Steph angle. Foley and Rock were the babyfaces chasing the title from HHH the first half of the year and WWE was doing some of their best ratings, etc.

That was really horrible. I must've missed the masses complaining about it originally though. Give me a break. Regardless of the writing then or now, I don't think we have anyone on the roster that's currently as over as Rock, Austin or HHH were back then, as heels or faces. All you're doing is complaining about similar things after the fact, like the structure of the show, or things you find boring or repetitive now that were even true back then, but people still ate them up and enjoyed them at the time.

[Damndirty]

[quote=Fragile X;3868113] Were you even watching WWE when Triple H was the big dog? Good lord it was horrible, his Steph/McMahon regime opening Raw with horrbile promo's setting up the same match we saw last month. IT was a really bad time for wrestling.[quote]

Yeah, I was getting sick of seeing it too, and truthfully, the only real reason I was keeping in touch with it was to see Austin or Undertaker come back from their injuries. We could've turned to WCW if WCW didn't suck ass as bad as it did, but I think WCW's sucktitude was also the reason WWE was so successful. It was an alternative that people would turn to, but eventually, would turn back to WWF again.

[Rock Bottom]

We were all getting sick of Triple H. That's why it was so good. When I look back on it, I miss it. I was heavily invested in any face coming along and taking him down. It always seemed like he was hogging the spotlight, being booked too strongly, etc. In retrospect, it got him over as the most massive heel I've ever seen in wrestling, and he used that to do some really big jobs out in the open to get a lot of guys over, and some guys even more over. When you're such a heel that you could make anyone to pin you in a match the most celebrated guy on the internet, you're just the best heel in the business. It also gave him a lot of legs. Long shelf life.

John Cena is a different beast to me. I just can't believe he's the best thing wrestling has to offer right now. But to make the comparison to Triple H, whether or not Cena is a heel, when my favorite wrestler came back and was going one on one with a guy I can't stand, I was big time invested. If Rock had come back to wrestle Mark Henry in a nation of domination unfinished beef match, I'd still have watched, but I wouldn't have cared too much about the outcome.

Some of this is supposed to suck, because the easiest way to please fans is to have someone come along and "put an end" to it. It's age old, and it still works on smarks. Will for a long time.

Cornette explains a lot about how he feels pulling things back and making them dull/boring/repetitive can actually be a good thing from time to time, and I agree with that sort of mentality. Unfortunately, it still sucks while it's happening. I'll just kinda chill and wait for the monster to come along (the next "Austin," if you will) and flip it all upside down again.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Rock Bottom We were all getting sick of Triple H. That's why it was so good. When I look back on it, I miss it. I was heavily invested in any face coming along and taking him down. It always seemed like he was hogging the spotlight, being booked too strongly, etc. In retrospect, it got him over as the most massive heel I've ever seen in wrestling, and he used that to do some really big jobs out in the open to get a lot of guys over, and some guys even more over. When you're such a heel that you could make anyone to pin you in a match the most celebrated guy on the internet, you're just the best heel in the business. It also gave him a lot of legs. Long shelf life.

I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there. James Steele, you should probably skip the rest of this post.

Exactly WHO did Triple H build up while he was hogging the spotlight on RAW during 2002-2005? Please tell me. Because there isn't a single one. Let me give you a list of guys who got jobbed the fuck out to Triple H:

- Rob Van Dam
- Kane
- Booker T
- Randy Orton
- Chris Jericho
- Chris Benoit
- Edge
- The entire Spirit Squad
- Eugene


Every last one of those guys (except perhaps Eugene) had the potential to be a huge star during the time they crossed Triple H. Rob Van Dam and Booker T are two very specific instances, where both times, if Triple H had done the right thing and put them over clean, they would've become true main event superstars for life. But that did not happen. Yes, they both won World Titles later on, but far too late to catch the train of momentum that they had at the time they faced the Game.

Remember Triple H's racist promos against WrestleMania World Title challenger Booker T before WM XIX? Remember how Booker was looking like the massive underdog going into Mania, which was building up for his first World Heavyweight Championship victory in the company? And what happened at Mania? Triple H hit the Pedigree on Booker T and took about 30 seconds before covering him for the win. And Booker would not reascend to the World Title for many, many years.

Remember when RAW had a main event of Triple H (c) vs. Chris Benoit vs. Edge for the World Title, which ended with Benoit and Edge submitting Triple H at the same time (Crossface/Sharpshooter, I believe)? The title got held up and rumors started to pop up about maybe Edge and Benoit will wrestle for the World Title at New Year's Revolution - maybe they're going to elevate Edge or re-elevate Benoit? Remember who won the Elimination Chamber match for that vacant World Title? Triple H.

Who got the spotlight after WrestleMania 20? Was it the World Heavyweight Champion in Chris Benoit? Hell no. It was Triple H, who "put over" Shelton Benjamin and feuded with fucking Eugene of all people. And yes, Eugene vs Triple H got higher billing on RAW than anything Benoit was doing (which, I believe, was feuding against La Resistance with Edge. As World Champion. You figure it out.) And then Triple H and HBK main evented Bad Blood over Benoit vs Kane, and then Benoit lost the World Title shortly thereafter to Randy Orton.

And what happened to Randy Orton in 2004? Do I really have to explain it?

Ken Doane of the Spirit Squad had so much potential. All they had to do was build him as a threat (kind of like they did with Barrett and Nexus). But did they? No. The SS jobbed to Triple H and HBK like absolute bitches and got sent back to OVW in a crate on RAW. Yeah. THAT'S how you put over future talent. Where are all those guys now, anyway? They were all extremely talented. Now all we have left of them is Dolph Ziggler, who has gotten over on his own accord.

And let's also not forget his horrendous encounters with Scott Steiner and Kevin Nash during this time.


Yeah. Triple H putting people over during his mega heel run? The only people he REALLY put over were Ric Flair, Batista and himself.

[Rock Bottom]

Originally Posted by Fox I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there. James Steele, you should probably skip the rest of this post. Exactly WHO did Triple H build up

no

im gonna stop you

go back and watch wrestling again