The Dark Knight Rises

[dronepool]

SPOILER: show

did the end make anybody think of Inception? fantasy/dream... ect

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by dronepool SPOILER: show did the end make anybody think of Inception? fantasy/dream... ect

Hate everyone saying this just because it's the same director.

[dablackguy]

The Dark Knight is still the superior movie imo. I liked TDKR and its probably better from an acting standpoint but I just don't see how people say it was better than TDK. Some nice touches with continuity arcing across the movies but also some issues with the overall plot, IMO.

Spoilers of course...

I have pretty much no issues with the first third of the movie, which we'll say ends with Bane beating the hell out of Batman. Tough to watch by design and really does Bane justice as a menace and shows just how out of "game shape" Batman was. As another poster pointed out previously, Bane found a problem with the graphite. Someone else touched on how arrogant Bruce was, basically saying of Bane, yeah whatever, I'll fight harder and being completely screwed once he got face to face with Bane. Speaking of Alfred, the fallout between he and Bruce was powerful stuff. The way they reintroduced Batman back into Gotham was awesome. I thought the way that the movie explained how Daggett was trying to get control of Wayne Industries and how Bane was tied into it was clunky and convoluted.

The second third of the movie was weird - I didn't love it.
Catwoman trying to leave town was an important advance for the character (as if to say,this sucks/I screwed up, I'm done with this) but kinda went backwards later in the movie when she told Batman "F the city, get yourself out". The Harvey Dent thing in the beginning played into this part of the movie but didn't really have any demonstrable effect on anything thereafter beyond the conversation with Blake and Gordon. Bruce's time in the prison was a useful tool to advance the character and get him where he needed to be so to speak. The return of Ra's Al Ghul was cool but assuming it was the real him (which seems to be a given to me, since he says that there are "many forms of immortality"), it was weird to not have him appear for the rest of the movie, especially with how heavy themed the move was towards the League of Shadows. Why have someone else do your dirty work? A lot of time on Blake here, which I didn't hate but kinda dragged the movie here - necessary to set up the final act but slowed things.

I'm not sure how how I feel about the last third of the movie. Batman returns to save the city and bests Bane despite not being in a measurably better circumstance than in round one, which I had a problem with. If you've read the comics, you saw the Talia thing coming but the emotion on Batman's face when it happens still makes it worth watching. Catwoman flip flops as I mentioned before - coming back to save Batman but basically saying screw the city, you don't owe them anymore. A lot of time spent on the battle for the city and a lot less focus on actual characters - seems like Nolan spent a lot of time doing something very LOTResque and not very Batmanesque.


Which brings me to the ending itself, I go back to the quote from TDK "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian" and I think that's what shaped the ending but I found the ending to be a little bit of a copout. I know Nolan does not want anyone picking up with "his series" and wanted to close the circle but I didn't find the ending to be consistent with the rest of the series or the movie itself. He gets out of the prison by learning to fear death but is ready to give his life at the end. In BB, he understood that death was a possibility but wasn't ready just to give his life up when confronting Ras. Same with Joker in TDK. It was like the character made a leap and then a leap back, similar to Catwoman.

All of that said, I think this was a better movie from an acting standpoint. You could tell that Gordon was burdened by what he knew with Dent and carrying the secret - great job by Gary Oldman. Bruce was clearly burdened by what happened - Dent/losing Rachel and was diminished both in character and as Batman. Bane was a beast and Michael Caine's short amount of screen time was still great stuff. Certainly a likable movie but probably the weakest of the series, imo.

[Rammsteinmad]

Originally Posted by dablackguy The Dark Knight is still the superior movie imo. I liked TDKR and its probably better from an acting standpoint but I just don't see how people say it was better than TDK. Some nice touches with continuity arcing across the movies but also some issues with the overall plot, IMO. Spoilers of course... I have pretty much no issues with the first third of the movie, which we'll say ends with Bane beating the hell out of Batman. Tough to watch by design and really does Bane justice as a menace and shows just how out of "game shape" Batman was. As another poster pointed out previously, Bane found a problem with the graphite. Someone else touched on how arrogant Bruce was, basically saying of Bane, yeah whatever, I'll fight harder and being completely screwed once he got face to face with Bane. Speaking of Alfred, the fallout between he and Bruce was powerful stuff. The way they reintroduced Batman back into Gotham was awesome. I thought the way that the movie explained how Daggett was trying to get control of Wayne Industries and how Bane was tied into it was clunky and convoluted. The second third of the movie was weird - I didn't love it. Catwoman trying to leave town was an important advance for the character (as if to say,this sucks/I screwed up, I'm done with this) but kinda went backwards later in the movie when she told Batman "F the city, get yourself out". The Harvey Dent thing in the beginning played into this part of the movie but didn't really have any demonstrable effect on anything thereafter beyond the conversation with Blake and Gordon. Bruce's time in the prison was a useful tool to advance the character and get him where he needed to be so to speak. The return of Ra's Al Ghul was cool but assuming it was the real him (which seems to be a given to me, since he says that there are "many forms of immortality"), it was weird to not have him appear for the rest of the movie, especially with how heavy themed the move was towards the League of Shadows. Why have someone else do your dirty work? A lot of time on Blake here, which I didn't hate but kinda dragged the movie here - necessary to set up the final act but slowed things. I'm not sure how how I feel about the last third of the movie. Batman returns to save the city and bests Bane despite not being in a measurably better circumstance than in round one, which I had a problem with. If you've read the comics, you saw the Talia thing coming but the emotion on Batman's face when it happens still makes it worth watching. Catwoman flip flops as I mentioned before - coming back to save Batman but basically saying screw the city, you don't owe them anymore. A lot of time spent on the battle for the city and a lot less focus on actual characters - seems like Nolan spent a lot of time doing something very LOTResque and not very Batmanesque. Which brings me to the ending itself, I go back to the quote from TDK "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian" and I think that's what shaped the ending but I found the ending to be a little bit of a copout. I know Nolan does not want anyone picking up with "his series" and wanted to close the circle but I didn't find the ending to be consistent with the rest of the series or the movie itself. He gets out of the prison by learning to fear death but is ready to give his life at the end. In BB, he understood that death was a possibility but wasn't ready just to give his life up when confronting Ras. Same with Joker in TDK. It was like the character made a leap and then a leap back, similar to Catwoman. All of that said, I think this was a better movie from an acting standpoint. You could tell that Gordon was burdened by what he knew with Dent and carrying the secret - great job by Gary Oldman. Bruce was clearly burdened by what happened - Dent/losing Rachel and was diminished both in character and as Batman. Bane was a beast and Michael Caine's short amount of screen time was still great stuff. Certainly a likable movie but probably the weakest of the series, imo.

Dude, you are way over-analysing this movie. Just enjoy it.

[dronepool]

Originally Posted by Blitz Hate everyone saying this just because it's the same director.

It just reminded me of that. Not saying that's what it was.