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Over Like Rover
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The Belt Thread
found this pretty interesting, stealing/copy and pasting word for word/pic for pic from a poster named Rule One on the fan forum. Will update the thread as he goes along NWA World Heavyweight Title First Belt ![]() Dates in use: 7/1948 - 1959 First holder: Orville Brown Last holder: Pat O'Connor Maker: Unknown
Second Belt ![]() Dates in use: 1959 – 20/7/1973 First holder: Pat O'Connor Last holder: Harley Race Maker: Unknown
Third Belt (Domed Globe) ![]() Dates in use: 20/7/1973 - 14/2/1986 First holder: Harley Race Last holder:Ric Flair Dates in use: 27/8/1994 – Present First holder: Shane Douglas Current holder: Colt Cabana Original maker: Unknown ![]() Second maker: Joe Marshall. Third maker: Dave Millican (Midwest) ![]() Fourth and current maker: All Star Championship Belts ![]()
Belt is considered open source and has numerous copies/replicas out there. Each maker has their own design/twist on it but usually stay close to the blueprint of the original.
Fourth Belt (Big Gold) ![]() Dates in use: 14/2/1986 – 9/1993 First holder: Ric Flair Last holder: Ric Flair Maker: Crumrine
The belt was hand crafted/engraved. The belt originally had real stones which were hand set. The real stones were popped out/stolen by wrestlers and pawned/sold, once the news spread, the stones were replaced with fakes but continued to be popped/stolen. During its production the main plate barely fit into Crumrines plating tank due to its size. The belt was commissioned by Nelson Royal who proposed its original (But never made.) design to Jim Crockett/NWA but it was passed upon. Nelson had the designed modified to what it became and had it made out of his own pocket. The cost is said to have been $25,000 but Nelson received a better rate from Crumrine due him using them for his own belt buckle business, the real cost to Nelson was anything between $12,000-$15,000. Upon seeing the finished product, NWA/Crockett bought the title from Nelson Royal. The belt was debuted by Ric Flair on 14/2/1986 at the NWA Battle Of The Belts 2 event, it's television debut was the 22/2/1986. Ric Flair Introduces The Big Gold 22/2/1986 Originally featured Rick Flair on the name plate but it was sent back to Crumrine and a Ric Flair was produced for the title. ![]() Three other name plates were ordered besides the Ric/k Flair plates; Dusty Rhodes, Ronnie Garvin and Stinger. Was known as the WCW World Heavyweight title from January 1991 until July 1991 but kept the NWA World Heavyweight title lineage, the title was stripped from Ric Flair on the 8/9/1991 but the belt was not returned as Jim Herd refused to refund Ric Flairs $25,000 deposit on the belt. Ric Flair left to go to WWF with the belt and featured on WWF with it declaring it to be the 'real World Heavyweight title'. A cease and desist was sent by the NWA/WCW to which the WWF adhered to. Ric Flair eventually returned the belt following a court case and the NWA/WCW refunding Ric Flair's deposit plus extras (In total $25,000+) The belt was then used from August 1992 until September 1993 under the agreement NWA and WCW had. During September 1993, WCW seceded the NWA and used the belt as the WCW International Heavyweight title until 1994 where it returned to use as the WCW World Heavyweight title. The Belt is considered open source and has numerous copies/replicas out there. Each maker has their own design/twist on it but usually stay close to the blueprint of the original. There is anything between 4-6 casts of the belt depending on who story you believe. Three have been made public:
WWF/E's inherited cast. Booker T was the final champion and was in possession of possibly Scott Steiner's cast and WWF inherited it via the buyout of WCW. The belt was used until 2003 when Triple H debuted Joe Marshall's (J-Mar) 3D big gold with the WWE logo. It was last seen used for promotional pictures/vignettes of Batista in 2005. Only one copy has been made of the original belt by Crumrine for a private collector who paid in excess of $12,000 for it to be made and to have the rights to it. Jeanne Lashelle who had a hand in producing the original Big Gold did so with the copy, Charles Crumrine passed on a few years back and the whereabouts of Victor Ortiz is unknown, he left Crumrine years ago. A cast of this belt is available through Dave Millican's website from $2,500+. Crumrine will not produce another Big Gold for anyone else. Fifth Belt (Dan Severn's) Dates in use: 24/2/1995 – 14/3/1999 First holder: Dan Severn (Only holder of the belt.) Maker: Joe Marshall The belt was made by Joe Marshall (J-Mar) for Dan Severn who was the only one to use the belt and still is in possession of the belt. Only two copies/replicas are in circulation and are slightly different to Dan Severn's belt. His World lettering is painted Black whereas the copies/replicas are painted red. Dan Severn used the belt for some title defences but more often than not used the Domed Globe. Dan Severn Belt Copy/Replica ![]() signature [sig-nuh-cher, -choor]
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Over Like Rover
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TNA World Heavyweight Title First Belt First Holder: Kurt Angle Last Holder: Jeff Hardy Dates In Use: 14/5/2007 – 8/11/2010 Maker: Dave Millican
Second Belt ![]() First Holder: Jeff Hardy Last Holder: Sting Dates In Use: 8/11/2010 – 14/3/2011 Maker: Top Rope Belts
Third Belt ![]() First Holder: Sting Current Holder: Austin Aries Dates In Use: 14/3/2011 – Present Maker: Wildcat Championship Belts
Overall there have been eleven TNA World Heavyweight champions over the five years and counting it has been in use with nineteen title changes. (TNA does not count/recognise Kurt Angle's initial 14/5/2007 reign as of September 2008.) |
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NWA United States Heavyweight Title There were nine major lineages of the NWA United States Heavyweight title and that is discounting the smaller regions that barely any information can be found on. The main linage is from the Mid-Atlantic region which is the main piece I have done in this but I have tried to gather some information on the other lineages/titles. Central States 24/8/1961 – 7/1970 First Holder: Pat O'Connor Last Holder: The Viking Maker: Unknown
Chicago 9/1953 – 9/1962 First Holder: Verne Gagne Last Holder: Pat O'Connor Maker: Unknown
Detroit 1964 – 10/1980 ![]() First Holder: Johnny Valentine Last Holder: The Sheik Maker: Nikita Mulkovich
Hawaii 1962 – 6/1968 First Holder: Nick Bockwinkel Last Holder: Jim Hady Maker: Unknown
Mid-Atlantic 1975 – 9/1993 & 8/2/1997 – 18/11/2000 First Holder: Harley Race Last Holder: Terry Knight First Maker: Nikita Mulkovich ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Second Maker: Nikita Mulkovich ![]() Third Maker: Reggie Parks ![]() ![]() Fourth Maker: Reggie Parks ![]() ![]() Fifth Maker: Reggie Parks ![]()
Many NWA affiliate promotions use a variant of the United States Heavyweight title. The pictures of the first title are of a casted mold of the original title belt. Rocky Mountains 9/1953 – 19/7/1963 First Holder: Verne Gagne Last Holder: Fritz Von Erich Maker: Unknown
San Francisco 1968 – 01/1981 First Holder: Ray Stevens Last Holder: Dusty Rhodes Maker: Unknown
Texas 15/12/1966 – 5/1968 First Holder: Fritz Von Erich Last Holder: Spoiler #1 Maker: Unknown
Toronto 9/1962 – 7/1977 First Holder: Johnny Valentine Last Holder: The Sheik Maker: Unknown
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NWA World Television Title NWA Georgia Lineage 22/11/1969 – 4/1985 First Holder: Joe Scarpa Last Holder: Ronnie Garvin First Maker: Unknown (Thought to be George Levy.) Second Maker: Reggie Parks 1984 - 1985 ![]() ![]() This is the actual belt which was used.
NWA Mid-Atlantic Lineage First Holder: Danny Miller Last Holder: Ricky Steamboat First Maker: George Levy 1974 - 1977 ![]() Second Maker: George Levy 1977 - 1982 ![]() Third Maker: Reggie Parks 1982 - 1985 ![]() ![]() This is the actual belt which was used. Fourth Maker: Reggie Parks 1985 - 1992 ![]() ![]() ![]()
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WWE/F Intercontinental Heavyweight Title First Holder: Pat Patterson Current Holder: The Miz First Maker: Unknown 15/9/1979 – 11/1979 ![]() (Best picture I have of the WWF North American Heavyweight title. It is very hard to find clear pictures of this belt.) Second Maker: Unknown 11/1979 - 1983 ![]() Third Maker: Unknown 1983 ![]() Fourth Maker: Unknown 1983 – 6/7/1985 ![]() Fifth Maker: Reggie Parks 9/9/1985 – 29/3/1998 ![]() Sixth Makers: Joe Marshall (First 30/3/1998 - 2010) & Dave Millican (Second 2010 - 2011) ![]() (Joe Marshall version. This is the actual title the Rock initially debuted, it is now in the hands of a private collector.) ![]() (Dave Millican version.) Seventh Makers: Joe Marshall ( First 2/10/2011 – 17/1/2012) & Dave Millican (Second 17/1/2012 - Present) ![]() (Joe Marshall version) ![]() (Dave Millican Version)
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Samurai Rocker
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WCW World Television Championship Belt
![]() First Version (July 1992 - June 1995) First Holder: Steve Austin Last Holder: The Renegade The original WCW World Television Championship belt debuted at The Great American Bash on July 12, 1992, during Steve Austin's second reign as WCW World Television Champion, after defeating Barry Windham on May 23, 1992 (aired on WCW Worldwide on June 13, 1992). Before then, he used the old WCW World Six-Man Tag Team Championship belt, until the belt was made. The last time this belt was shown was in June 1995 on TV tapings, showing eventual champion The Renegade with the belt. Second Version (June 1995 - April 2000) First Holder: Arn Anderson Last Holder: Hacksaw Jim Duggan This version debuted at The Great American Bash on June 18, 1995. The last time this belt was shown was in April 2000, before the Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff rebooting of WCW, retiring the title. Last edited by DLVH84; 07-26-2012 at 11:48 AM. |
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Hazardous to Your Health
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Scrolled down to see the pictures and call you a poor man's DLVH84.
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LOL SPEAKING OF...
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Over Like Rover
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Former TPWW Royalty
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Of all those belts, the classic white strap IC title looks the best.
Never noticed until now about WCW's Big Gold belt having engraved name plates instead of normal removable ones for certain champs. |
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Hardys TNA title is still fucking hideous.
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Samurai Rocker
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Lord of The Vale
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WOW Jeffs TNA Belt would look magnificent with my purple suede smoking jacket and red chino's.
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Out Of Step
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Know a guy with a purple velvet jacket, only because he wore it to a funeral. Think the chino's is what would make it work though.
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I love my brick
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Love these kinda threads. reminds me of the wrestling pictures thread started few months back. cheers for the effort
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Samurai Rocker
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WCW World Light Heavyweight Championship (the precursor of the WCW World Cruiserweight Championship)
![]() Only Version: October 1991 - September 1992 First Holder: Brian Pillman Last Holder: Brad Armstrong The belt debuted at Halloween Havoc on October 27, 1991. The belt's last appeared on the Clash Of The Champions on September 2, 1992, in the hands of Bill Watts, as he stripped Brad Armstrong of the title due to a knee injury. A tournament was supposed take place in the beginning of 1993, but was completely abandoned when Bill Watts left WCW. It would be three and a half years before the title was resurrected as the WCW World Cruiserweight Championship. WCW World Cruiserweight Championship (two versions) First Version: March 1996 - April 2000, July 2001 - May 2002 First Holder: Shinjiro Otani (1st wave), Gregory Helms (2nd wave) Last Holder: The Artist (1st wave), The Hurricane (2nd wave) This version of the title belt debuted on March 20, 1996, at a NJPW show in Aichi, Nagoya, Japan. This belt would be used until the reboot in April 2000. However, this version of the belt would be reactivated for the WWF vs. WCW/ECW storyline. In November 2001, the title would become the WWF (later WWE) Cruiserweight Championship, phasing out the WWF Light Heavyweight Championship. Despite the change, they kept this version of the belt until May 2002, when The Hurricane won the title. ![]() Second Version: April 2000 - March 2001 First Holder: Chris Candido Last Holder: Shane Helms This version of the belt debuted at Spring Stampede on April 16, 2000. The colors of the belt were totally different, as the WCW logo on the sideplates were yellow, instead of red, and the centerplate featured inverted colors of the original. In mid-to-late 2000, it had a sticker on it, when Lance Storm and Elix Skipper held the title, calling it the Canadian 100 Kilos and Under Championship. This version last appeared on the final Monday Nitro on March 26, 2001. |
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Voices Say I'm Awesome...
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Badass History Thread... Nicely done...
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Samurai Rocker
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NWA/WCW United States Tag Team Championship
![]() Only Version: September 1986 - May 1989, February 1990 - July 1992 First Holders: Krusher Khrushchev and Ivan Koloff (1st wave), Brian Pillman and Tom Zenk (2nd wave) Last Holders: Eddie Gilbert and Rick Steiner (1st wave), Dick Slater and The Barbarian (2nd wave) The belts have a red strap, with circular sideplates with the American flag shield design and the centerplate has the colorful "USA" with a red U, a white S, and a blue A. The belts debuted at a NWA JCP house show on September 28, 1986 in Atlanta, Georgia. The belts' last appearance before being temporarily deactivated was at WrestleWar on May 7, 1989. When the title was reactivated in February 1990, the title was first featured on February 12, 1990 (aired on the February 24, 1990 edition of World Wide Wrestling). In January 1991, when WCW decided to form its own champions, they kept the NWA belts. The belts' final appearance was on June 25, 1992 (aired on the July 12, 1992 edition of WCW Main Event), before the championship retired on July 31, 1992. |
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Over Like Rover
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why do you hate my thread
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WWF World Light Heavyweight Title Maker: Reggie Parks - 1998![]() ![]() (Bobby Rogers/Mike Rapuano with the title around 1998. He looks vastly different these days.) This version of the title actually never existed in the WWF and was made by Reggie Parks for Mike Rapuano known as Bobby Rogers in wrestling circles. Bobby/Mike used the belt to go on chat shows such as Jenny Jones and Sally Jesse with a bunch of made up stories, one being that he was a gay wrestler who held the WWF World Light Heavyweight title and was booted from the promotion for being gay in an attempt to garner attention/money/sympathy. The truth is, he never even worked for the WWF or even got close to. The best connection he had ever got to them was in 2001 when he owned .tv domains of WWF sites. He lost the court case and had to transfer the domains to the WWF. This caused problems between Reggie Parks and the WWF in which Reggie could only make WWF logo'ed belts on strict permission of Titan Sports/WWF which came in written form only. Reggie continued to make logo'ed WWF but only for those with permission or those who were very close and could be trusted. Booby/Mike was and still is a notorious conman who continues to work in the Florida area despite his past. Such incidents include:
Bobby/Mike served around three and half years in prison between 2004 and 2008 for fraud. He returned to wrestling on the Florida scene in 2009 but very little has been heard from/of him since. No-one knows the location of the WWF World Light Heavyweight belt, some say it was sold on e-bay in the early 2000's others say Bobby/Mike still has the belt. |
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Over Like Rover
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IWGP Heavyweight Title First Holder: Antonio Inoki Current Holder: Hiroshi Tanahashi First Maker: Unknown 1983 - 1997 ![]() Second Maker: Unknown 1997 – 8/10/2005 & 17/7/2006 – 3/2008 ![]() ![]() Third Maker: Dave Millican 8/10/2005 – 15/7/2006 & 2/2008 ![]() Fourth Maker: Dave Millican 3/2008 – Present
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according to the guy who wrote these, the WWE title plate picture that "leaked" not long ago is legit
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The Mr. Hanky of TPWW
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that was really god damn informative.
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Samurai Rocker
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The original NWA World title belt was also used as the UWFi's Real Pro Wrestling World Heavyweight Championship belt between 1992 and 1995, as Lou Thesz was the commissioner over there. And in that promotion, there were only two champions: Nobuhiko Takada (who held the title twice) and Super Vader (Big Van Vader).
And originally, the Nobuhiko Takada vs. Keiji Mutoh match on October 9, 1995, at the Tokyo Dome was supposed to be a title vs. title unification match, but a week before the event, Lou Thesz withdrew his support of the UWFi and took the belt with him, leaving just the IWGP Heavyweight title on the line. |
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ORIGINAL WWF TITLE FOUND...IN AN ATTIC
A major piece of wrestling history was recently discovered: The title belt that Buddy Rogers dropped toBruno Sammartino to start off the World Wide Wrestling Federation in May 1963. It was in Johnny Barend's attic. After Barend died in September 2011, it fell to his widow, Annie, to start going through their accumulated assets in their home in Avon, New York. She has plans to eventually move back to her native Hawaii. She was as surprised as anyone to come across two title belts in the couple's attic, unglamorously wrapped in a bath towel. Johnny had never mentioned them to her, though she was more than familiar with his career. Intrigued, Annie contacted me and got me a photo of the "World's Champion" title belt, that had a small, circular photo of Johnny Barend in the centre. After consulting a few historians and beltmakers, it was quickly established that it had to be the United States title that "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers brought from Ohio to New York, the belt that was used when Vince McMahon Sr. decided to created a new world title. "I'm not always that great with the older belts, but I recognized that one immediately," said beltmaker extraordinaire Dave Millican, who makes the belts for the WWE, among other contracts. "It makes you wonder what else is stashed away in people's attics. It really does," Millican mused. "It makes you wonder what other historical belts, and not just belts, but pieces of wrestling history, are stashed away in attics that people don't even realize they have. Annie didn't even realize what she had -- and why would she?" Millican decided that he wanted to own the piece of history, with the added bonus of the second belt, a United States tag team title belt, with "1962" burned into the leather.
As the matchmaker, I was invited along, and got to (briefly) wear the same title belt as Buddy Rogers and Bruno Sammartino. In a phone interview, Sammartino admitted that he never knew what happened to the belt itself. "That belt that Buddy had, they thought, I don't know what they thought, they felt it wasn't a good belt. I don't know who had it, who gave it to them, whatever, but they didn't think anything of it. They went and made the one that I wore all those years," said Sammartino, who does have the original title belt that was created for his first title reign that lasted just short of eight years. It turns out that title, which was retired after a new belt was made for Pedro Morales, was languishing in an office. "Phil Zacko and [Gorilla] Monsoon gave it to me. That one I have. I had it polished up, because it was kind of worn." Worn would describe both of the belts found at the Barend home. But nowhere near worn out. Someone along the way had the foresight to use plastic ratchet straps to hold the leather in tight with the belt. The plates all need a good polishing, but are not significantly dented or worn in other ways.
Given that Rogers and Barend were very good friends, Millican said that it made sense that the title belt ended up where it did. "I think that really the fact that it was obviously transferred back to Buddy, even though Bruno never lost the title back to Buddy, shows that it was really Buddy's belt," said Millican. "At some point, Johnny, because of the connection with Buddy, got the belt. I don't have those answers, but that's clearly how it happened -- it has to be part of the connection." Beyond that, there are still many unanswered questions, some of which will never be answered. - Why is Johnny Barend's photo on the belt? When and why was it put there? He was never a recognized world champion, but he did defend the title as a U.S. belt apparently. - Did Barend get the title belt before or after Rogers died in 1992? - What jeweler made the belt? When and where? It probably came out of Columbus, Ohio, where Rogers was established for so long and was the U.S. champion. - Where is the other tag team title?
"This was from an era when even Buddy probably didn't think the belt was worth very much," said Millican. Fortunately, it is now in the hands of someone who thinks otherwise. |
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ECW World Tag-Team Titles 23/6/1992 – 27/8/1994 – NWA – Eastern Championship Wrestling Tag-Team Titles 27/8/1994 – 4/2001 – Extreme Championship Wrestling World Tag-Team Titles First Holders: The Super Destroyers (A.J. Petrucci & Doug Stahl.) Last Holders: Danny Doring & Roadkill First Maker: Mike Vartanian 1992 - 1997 ![]() Second Maker: Mike Vartanian 1997 - 1998 ![]() Third Maker: Joe Marshall 1998 - 2001 ![]() (Picture courtesy of Judge Jeff Jones. This is one of the real ECW World Tag-Team titles.) ![]()
The first set of titles whereabouts are unknown but were in a relatively bad state when they were replaced. ![]() (As you can see, the side plates are off and the general state of the titles isn't good.) The second set are said to be in the possession of the Dudley Boys.
The third and final set are in the possession of Danny Doring and Roadkill. |
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Over Like Rover
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ECW World Television Title 12/8/1992 – 27/8/1994 – NWA – Eastern Championship Wrestling Heavyweight Television Title 27/8/1994 – 4/2001 – Extreme Championship Wrestling World Television Title First Holder: Johnny Hotbody Last Holder: Rhino First Maker: Mike Vartanian ![]() Second Maker: Mike Vartanian ![]() ![]() Third Maker: Joe Marshall ![]()
The first titles whereabouts is unknown. The second title is in possession of Rob Van Dam. ![]() The third title was in the possession of Rhino but was later stolen from his bag at an event.
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Not sure who "Rule One" is, but most of that information, some of it copied word for word from me, and some of the pictures, were posted exclusively on my website BeltTalk.com
Guess he might be a member of my site? |
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Over Like Rover
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Since the new belts brought in by the WWE have sparked conversation about belts, I thought this could use a bump for those looking to get educated and enjoy some belt history and look at some classic titles.
I just read a tidbit on Ask 411 Wrestling about Joe Marshall creating Unified WWE Tag Team Championships that the company didn't like, so the current belts were designed in-house. This explains why they are more "graphicy" than other belts. |
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Let me talk to ya
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Cool thread
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Quark is Less Impressed.
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This thread faded away and declared itself as OBSOLETE!
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Cranky Kong
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Don't let Noid see this.
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Celestia's Left Hand
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Great thread can't wait to read through all this later on.
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Celestia's Left Hand
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Also Jesus Christ @TNA smh
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Cranky Kong
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I will say that the Jeff Hardy belt leaves more than a bit to be desired.
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I like the deep purple in the Intercontinental Title that The Rock had. I also like the orange in Taz's TV Title.
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