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Old 08-14-2012, 09:59 AM   #81
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No, because his reasons for hating Bryan and Punk contradict his appreciation of Kidd and McGillicutty.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:48 PM   #82
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Here's the difference

Me: I really enjoyed that Kidd vs MCGillicutty match

IWC: OMG KIDD AND MCGILLICUTTY SHOULD BE WORLD CHAMPS AND THE WWE KNOWS NOTHING FOR MISUSING THIS TALENT


I don't put unrealistic expectations on people I enjoy. Those two should never hold a title other than tag champs.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:03 PM   #83
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Kidd should unify all the titles and you know that Gertner!
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:27 PM   #84
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Me: I really enjoyed that Kidd vs MCGillicutty match

IWC: OMG KIDD AND MCGILLICUTTY SHOULD BE WORLD CHAMPS AND THE WWE KNOWS NOTHING FOR MISUSING THIS TALENT


I don't put unrealistic expectations on people I enjoy. Those two should never hold a title other than tag champs.
They could both be good IC/US champs.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:08 PM   #85
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They have no mic skills at all. They put on good matches, but mic skills hold them back from being singles champs
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:10 PM   #86
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Kidd is a good wrestler but he less charisma than is humanly possible.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:33 PM   #87
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I was about to say if Tyson Kidd were pushed like Daniel Bryan, I guarantee Gertner would hate him just like he does Bryan.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:45 PM   #88
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Yes I would, because it'd be ridiculous, just like it was for Bryan.
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:22 PM   #89
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Yes I would, because it'd be ridiculous, just like it was for Bryan.
Bryan sells merchandise which = $$$ for the company so how exactly is pushing him ridiculous? You just don't like the fact that a guy you don't enjoy is getting pushed which is exactly what you tell off other people on this forum for. Sorry but you're either a troll or a really big hypocrite.
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:51 PM   #90
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I used to kinda feel the same way about Bryan. I like him in the ring but in no way did I think he should be in the main event and DEFINITELY not a world champion.

He's done better as a character now than I thought he would though. Now I just find him a little overrated by people on the mic. Still don't think he should hold a world title. He doesn't look good as a potential face of the company and he isn't a believable antagonist for a potential "face of the company" guy. I think the main title/s should be reserved for someone who fits one of those two categories.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:20 PM   #91
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I used to kinda feel the same way about Bryan. I like him in the ring but in no way did I think he should be in the main event and DEFINITELY not a world champion.

He's done better as a character now than I thought he would though. Now I just find him a little overrated by people on the mic. Still don't think he should hold a world title. He doesn't look good as a potential face of the company and he isn't a believable antagonist for a potential "face of the company" guy. I think the main title/s should be reserved for someone who fits one of those two categories.
Completely agree with you here #1, although I agree with you on most things so
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:12 PM   #92
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I think a lot of it has to do with lack of talent. I think that's going to be a huge problem for years to come.

The roster isn't that good.


Also lack of long term planning is a big problem.
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:29 PM   #93
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:02 PM   #94
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:10 AM   #95
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They have no mic skills at all. They put on good matches, but mic skills hold them back from being singles champs
The mid card belts are for the guys who cant talk but who can work. They're always used as the workrate titles.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:10 AM   #96
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(or used for guys who are over but lack credibility.)
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:43 AM   #97
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Meh. I still don't know if I could buy Kidd as an IC/US champion. He's a poster child for why WWE should have bring back a cruiserweight division/title though. He'd be perfect for it. Save the IC/US title as a stepping stool for a guy potentially on his way to the top ala Bret Hart, John Cena, Austin, Rock, etc.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:47 AM   #98
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Meh. I still don't know if I could buy Kidd as an IC/US champion. He's a poster child for why WWE should have bring back a cruiserweight division/title though. He'd be perfect for it. Save the IC/US title as a stepping stool for a guy potentially on his way to the top ala Bret Hart, John Cena, Austin, Rock, etc.
as if they dont have so many belts they all mean fuck all as it is?
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:56 AM   #99
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Well that's their shitty booking's fault. I'm speaking ideally.

And it's not like you'd need to write much. A cruiserweight division is based mainly on in ring competition anyway. A promo here and there maybe. Hell, Tyson Kidd and Yoshi Tatsu had an awesome rivalry going on NXT last year. Throw a title in the picture for them to fight over and give Justin Gabriel, Sin Cara, Evan Bourne when he comes back, Hunico, Ryder, Heath Slater, etc something to shoot for instead of floundering around in obscurity forever.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:58 AM   #100
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Its not shitty boking its too many belts. Hell its two world titles. How can you expect a 3rd tier title to elavate anyone?
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:04 AM   #101
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No, it's shitty booking. Santino has been US champion since before WrestleMania. Are you telling me he hasn't been booked horribly as champion? They try harder with the IC title but they still can't bring themselves to actually put any effort into building an angle around it. The writers can't book shit outside the main event. Hence half of the PPVs lately being random filler matches.
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I do agree that there should be one world champion who fights for both brands while the US and IC titles are the brand specific top titles... but even in it's current state, with even remotely decent booking, the titles can mean something.
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Im not defending the booking but it doesnt mean bad booking is to blame. They couldnt get those belts over if they wanted to. The smack down title is the essentially the mid card belt now. Its been pretty well handled. The IC is closer to the old European title...The US carries the weight of the old cruiser...making a new cruiser belt so far down the ladder thats its laughable.

This reminds me of an argument i was having about doing too much in the ring as opposed to getting one thing over. The short version: if you try to get everything over nothing is over. It will all blend together and become meaningless. (which is exactly where we are now.) You CAN NOT get that many titles over let alone MORE.
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I look at the Heavyweight Title and just think of WCW, that title really doesn't do it for me.
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Im not defending the booking but it doesnt mean bad booking is to blame. They couldnt get those belts over if they wanted to. The smack down title is the essentially the mid card belt now. Its been pretty well handled. The IC is closer to the old European title...The US carries the weight of the old cruiser...making a new cruiser belt so far down the ladder thats its laughable.

This reminds me of an argument i was having about doing too much in the ring as opposed to getting one thing over. The short version: if you try to get everything over nothing is over. It will all blend together and become meaningless. (which is exactly where we are now.) You CAN NOT get that many titles over let alone MORE.
Miz has the IC Title now. He's a great choice (Though I wish he wasn't a former WWE champ. He wasn't at the level for it and now he kinda feels like he's getting it on the downfall.) He's wrestling Rey Mysterio at SummerSlam. Raw is 3+ hours now. Not to mention Smackdown is basically a "Supershow" now too. Put a little effort into making a story behind that match and you're a month into making it a meaningful title.

U.S Title can go to someone like Barrett. Have him feud with guys at the same level, build actual stories behind the feuds... problem solved. They could definitely get both belts over if they put effort into it. It all comes down to booking. There's 5+ hours of TV a week plus monthly PPVs. They're actually taking steps towards making the tag titles relevant again. Do that with the other two.
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:08 AM   #108
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I'm actually hoping Antonio Cesaro will make the US Title somewhat interesting again.
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:56 AM   #109
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I'd prefer Barrett just because he's more proven and closer to that main event spot.
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i say again not everything needs storyline or "angle" just have a match of 2 dudes and pick which 1 u think look the strongest if ppl start cheerin 4 a dude when he cut a promo, make him beat more harder dudes and advance they bringin these guys up 2 quick and giving the dumbest vbackstage sefgementns and promos and "mic wars" that cant really contend with anything we've seen b4 im glad with ryback they are bringing jack jabronis a little bit because you need them ryback looks like some unstoppable dude now, and guess what r truth doesnt have to job to him after main eventing against the rock last uyear in a breakout heel turn of epic proportion some guy in some small town is a little less over with his thousands of neighbors thats it let the sharks swim and eat each other at the top, but at least get these guys established so theyre not randomly recycling victories over each other like they throw them into the main event and then if they dont make the news or something, they are jobbed down within weeks fuck you dumb fuck shit ass bitch dont do that it doesnt make any god damned sense and fans cant follow it and i dont know why the fuck they would even want to becausde its so god damn stupid

just have 2 dudes wrestle each other an fight for who is stronger
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also you said the us title fuck the us title get rid of the WHC and the damned US title this isnt fuckin WCW you have 5 belts

main belt

2nd belt

tag team 1

tag team 2

girl belt

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enough with this shit i quit
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WHY IS THERE HEATH SLATER BASHING IN HERE?!?!?!!?
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Heath Slater is fucking gold.
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The WWE is fine, by the way. KK is actually right when he talks about there being no hurry to change things. The WWE has also successfully turned Daniel Bryan into a legitimate main eventer, and I think Dolph Ziggler will be there very soon.
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Heath Slater is fucking gold.
Amen, Gertner.
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:10 PM   #116
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lol. What do you like so much about Heath Slater, Gertner?
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On a Heath Slater-related note, I actually wrote a program between Heath Slater and Trent Barreta the other day. Barreta is another guy I think is relatively great. The dude is really young, and although he is small, he's got a likeable presence and is clearly a trustworthy ring hand to make others look good. Plus, he seems to have a quirky personality that could be used to connect to audiences.

I would love to see Slater and Barreta have a small feud on Superstars.
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The WWE is fine, by the way. KK is actually right when he talks about there being no hurry to change things. The WWE has also successfully turned Daniel Bryan into a legitimate main eventer, and I think Dolph Ziggler will be there very soon.
The WWE is dying. didn't you know that?

I love how people "supposedly in the business" like Clox and Destor are completely clueless when it comes to mainstream wrestling.

The company is doing fine. The IWC has bitched and moaned about Super Cena for years, now they get Punk as a champion for an extended period of time, along with Bryan being elevated and now they bitch about something else. Santino draws a better reaction then 95% of the wrestlers. He's fine as a U.S champ, although he doesn't really need the belt to get over. Just like Cena.
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I do find it really weird that people are bitching when two of your biggest promoted stars in the WWE are CM Punk and Bryan fucking Danielson.
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lol. What do you like so much about Heath Slater, Gertner?
I've been saying for a while that Slater has that "Miz-like" annoyance about him. that's a very useful quality

Now by no means would I make him World Champion or anything. He could be useful in a transitional role as an IC or U.S champion with the ultimate goal of getting a face over by defeating him, but certainly not as a long term champ. He's great in his role.
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