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Old 09-14-2012, 06:26 PM   #41
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ahh speculation and assumption. The solid base of any argument or point.
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:27 PM   #42
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They can do that on a smaller PPV or iMPACT without risking blowing your biggest ppv of the year.
Possibly, but wouldn't it mean more on the biggest PPV of the year?



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No doubt, but he was busting his ass and doing great things during his run when he showed up fucked up to headline a PPV against STING.
Well they've clearly decided to give him a second chance. If that were so much of a problem, he would have never found his way back into TNA. However, here he is. He's on the roster. They can't hold the past against him anymore if they ever allowed it to slide in the first place.

The dude is over. He's doing good work right now. I probably would have gone with Angle, but he's really not the worst choice. Better than RVD, even.

I'm not purchasing it either way just yet, though.
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:30 PM   #43
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That bust really was suspiciously timed.
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:34 PM   #44
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Nobody talks about all the drugs HBK did anymore.
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:35 PM   #45
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Besides maybe Marty Jannetty.
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:41 PM   #46
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Besides maybe Marty Jannetty.
His interviews in the HBK DVD were hilarious.
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:43 PM   #47
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Heartbreak and Triumph? I have that set, but I don't remember much Marty. Am I missing something?
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I bet I could sell my morphine to Jeff Hardy before his next match.
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Nobody talks about all the drugs HBK did anymore.
this is another thing (and this is in general, not specifically at this thread). I don't understand what the fuck exactly it has to do with internet wrestling fans what drugs any wrestler decides to "partake" in. Drug culture was a huge part of the wrestling industry and on some level absolutely always will be, including pretty much every wrestler anybody reading this right now has ever been fond of. Jeff Hardy was just daft enough to get very publicly caught. "Pro wrestler has pain pills, steroids and a bit of coke in his house." Well what a grand surprise that is. This self-righteous "anybody that takes drugs is a bad human being" schtick that lots of people are fond to take (in every walk of life) is spectacularly ridiculous and short-sighted.
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If you appreciate good music at all, you almost have to give drugs a pass.
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I think that pretty much goes for every field/area/walk of life tbh
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Is it possible that they're giving Jeff Hardy this "second chance" because everyone else is also addicted to hard drugs and booze?
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it's a drag that he fucked up during his last title run

he was pretty awesome then
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Jeff Hardy shouldn't have a job let alone be anywhere near a main event. He took a shit on the business. If he would've pulled what he did in 2011 in the late 80's or early 90's someone in the locker room would've legitimately killed him.
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Drug culture was a huge part of the wrestling industry and on some level absolutely always will be, including pretty much every wrestler anybody reading this right now has ever been fond of.
lol. Let's not get too crazy with the generalizations.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:55 PM   #56
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*GASP* A wrestler did drugs?! How can this have happened?! We must never let him wrestle again because there's no way he can somehow turn around and become one of the greatest of all time!... wait....
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Not that I'm comparing HBK to Hardy at all just find it funny that people bitch about Jeff having done drugs when probably EVERY wrestler ever has.
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lol. Let's not get too crazy with the generalizations.
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Not that I'm comparing HBK to Hardy at all just find it funny that people bitch about Jeff having done drugs when probably EVERY wrestler ever has.
lol. Seriously? "EVERY wrestler ever"?
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lol. Seriously? "EVERY wrestler ever"?
Ok so I'm exaggerating a bit but you get my point, and really probably 70% or more of the current roster have atleast tried drugs at some point. (Yes weed and spice count as drugs) To hate on Hardy for his former drug use is just stupid. The guy makes money and he's pretty entertaining to watch. Who cares if he's an idiot in real life? Does his drug use make Charlie Sheen any less hilarious? Does his drug use make Robert Downey Jr. any less a great actor? Hell in the former's case it the reason he's hilarious!
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lol. Let's not get too crazy with the generalizations.
hence the "pretty much" part. I'm not saying every single wrestler ever, simply most of them, be it gear, recreational, pain pills or a combination of them/all 3. If only it was a generalization.
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I think there's a big difference between taking pain killers and whatever the fuck it is Jeff Hardy happens to be putting in his body at any given moment. Even with a "pretty much" there's still a lot of speculation and generalization.
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Ok so I'm exaggerating a bit but you get my point, and really probably 70% or more of the current roster have atleast tried drugs at some point. (Yes weed and spice count as drugs) To hate on Hardy for his former drug use is just stupid.
I'd hardly count 70% having at least tried drugs as enough to warrant an "everybody" even as a slight exaggeration. And that's just "tried". Jeff Hardy didn't just "try" drugs. The man was an addict.
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Not that I really care how many drugs anyone takes. I'm just speaking to the whole "pretty much everyone in wrestling does drugs" thing. It's a big generalization that people like to throw around that is really nothing more than speculation based on the need to feel "in the know" about the "dark side" of wrestling.
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Wait guys, what if TNA's going to drop the ball on this Jeff Hardy thing. Do you think it's possible?
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Not that I really care how many drugs anyone takes. I'm just speaking to the whole "pretty much everyone in wrestling does drugs" thing. It's a big generalization that people like to throw around that is really nothing more than speculation based on the need to feel "in the know" about the "dark side" of wrestling.
in relation to some people, you may have a point but it's hardly a "dark side", it's a pretty open thing. The view of things like steroids and recreational drugs inside the wrestling business and outside the wrestling business are 2 very different things (can't really speak as much for pain pills but they're clearly more prevalent the "higher" up the ladder you go given the schedule/wear and tear) The only reason you use language like "dark side" is because naturally the only time these things tend to be spoken about publicly are from famous cases of abuse and overuse.
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I think there's a big difference between taking pain killers and whatever the fuck it is Jeff Hardy happens to be putting in his body at any given moment.
there really isn't. Pain pills have killed a fuckload more wrestlers than your average recreational drug ever has.
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Some valid points, CSL. There are a lot of high-stress careers with similar dark sides. Think of all those coke-head investment bankers and stock brokers.

Still, considering how many professional wrestlers have died young and did so rather publicly it's worth addressing.
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Exactly. The only time these things tend to be spoken about publicly are from famous cases of abuse and overuse. Outside of that, there is literally NO basis for speculation unless you have some inside information the rest of the public doesn't. Much less a "pretty much every wrestler anyone reading this has ever been fond of." Has pretty much every wrestler anyone reading this has ever been fond of been publicly outed in some way as being a drug user?
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there really isn't. Pain pills have killed a fuckload more wrestlers than your average recreational drug ever has.
Abuse of pain killers. I don't think you can count a prescription used "properly" in the same vain as Jeff Hardy doing coke for breakfast.
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is jeff a risk hell yeah and too others points this is a pattern with jeff- fck up come back strong then fall flat on his face.But he is a known commodity and with more wwe execs coming in i can see them trying to make jeff the face of the co. routine again just dont expect the outcome to change
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Jeff Hardy has been given more opportunities to shine and be the man after fucking up than anyone else in history.

I guess there's something to be said for that.
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This self-righteous "anybody that takes drugs is a bad human being" schtick that lots of people are fond to take (in every walk of life) is spectacularly ridiculous and short-sighted.
Has anyone really taken it towards wrestling, though?

Besides maybe a few Punktards, that is.

I mean, attacking Jeff over it...There's David Bowie, whose best days involved making awesome music coked out of his brain. Then there's the dude who lives down the street whose best days involved collecting empties for a cheap fix.

A lot of people manage to do drugs and not totally fuck their lives up. Granted, Bowie might not have had a heart attack if he didn't do massive amounts of coke, but that's hard to say. But most of these guys, you don't really see an impact on their careers. Unless, of course, they die.

Guys like Matt and Jeff, you can definitively see the way it impacts them.

Coming down on these fuck-ups is not coming down on all drug users.

To put it on a forum scale, there's Sascha and there's Clox. Sascha is, in this comparison, David Bowie. I suppose we can call him the "Thin White bitch." And Clox is sucking dick for change.

While we're on drugs (huhuhuhuhuh), I think it's very important for wrestling fans to accept that the shit people do to entertain them costs lives, up to and including drugs. Drugs for the pain, drugs to help their "look," drugs for fun, and drugs because "What the fuck else are you going to do in Cleavland?"

This gets especially bad when we're talking about combining them. Steroids can be used safely. Illegal steroids combined with coke and painkillers is a lethal cocktail that's claimed several people in all probability.

The internet should care, and really all wrestling fans should care, though probably for different reasons. I'm actually a little disgusted by wrestling for knowing what goes into the metaphorical hot dog. Policing these guys is kind of dumb, yeah, but "why do we care?" Well, we're kind of the cause.

But how many people are really coming down on Randy Orton for failing piss tests? Or Edge? Or Masters or Kennedy or the Hurricane? Hell, Brian Kendrick was "the man" for smoking pot and just paying off the fines.
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You have to punish Bully Ray for thinking of not resigning with the company when they approached him about 30 seconds before his deal expired.
Could be worse. They could have gone the WCW/Chris Benoit route and handed him the title to try to coax him to stay, then have him immediately drop it to... say... EY* because that's what you do when you try to win someone over!


"That'll put butts in seats!"


*I like Zach Galif- Eric Young as much as the next person, but I was illustrating a point.
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Wait guys, what if TNA's going to drop the ball on this Jeff Hardy thing. Do you think it's possible?
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Jeff Hardy didn't just casually use drugs. He let it get to the point where he ruined a PPV main event when TNA was somewhat interesting and was getting attention for the right reasons.

Doesn't make it right, but Shawn Michaels never got so pilled out of his mind that they had to cut the main event world title match to 60 seconds.
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Doesn't make it right, but Shawn Michaels never got so pilled out of his mind that they had to cut the main event world title match to 60 seconds.
I'm on my way out of the front door so I'll respond to the rest later but whilst it wasn't a PPV main event, the only reason HBK didn't go on TV whilst off his head was because WWE are a professional company and sent him home instead.
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TNA has clearly forgiven him for his past transgressions. It would be a waste of everyone's time to continue punishing him at this point.
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I'm on my way out of the front door so I'll respond to the rest later but whilst it wasn't a PPV main event, the only reason HBK didn't go on TV whilst off his head was because WWE are a professional company and sent him home instead.
Hasn't this professional company let Road Dogg and X-Pac wrestle shitfaced in the past?
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Abuse of pain killers. I don't think you can count a prescription used "properly" in the same vain as Jeff Hardy doing coke for breakfast.
prescriptions get used properly in a a cushy fantasy world, in reality they're as easy to get hold of as gear and I know you don't believe the guys that supply that always do so legally. And when you hear of guys needing pills to sleep, pills to wake up and "get going" etc, that's equally as "detrimental", in fact more so, as Jeff Hardy doing coke for breakfast. Besides, I never said that everybody likes to do Jeff Hardy amounts of drugs, it's just there.

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Jeff Hardy has been given more opportunities to shine and be the man after fucking up than anyone else in history.

I guess there's something to be said for that.
dunno about that. As I said, in terms of "second chances", he fucked up once. Every other "opportunity" he's been given has been an the same ground/level pegging as anybody else.

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Has anyone really taken it towards wrestling, though?

Besides maybe a few Punktards, that is.
I did read the whole post, just cut most of it out to save people scrolling through again but to an extent, yeah and as your following line states, it's usually some variety of "not very intelligent" people. But as my post that you quoted said, it was more aimed at life in general and the self-righteous type that have this notion that if a person enjoys taking drugs, they must therefore be a worthless member of society.

But the stuff in wrestling alone is annoying enough. I guess my point is the "sheep"/pile-on nature in general with wrestling fans. Jeff Hardy likes to take recreational drugs. This is no secret. I believe he has essentially walked away from a very high paying and prominent job with WWE twice so that he could essentially partake in taking lots of drugs whilst also giving his broken ass body a chance to recover somewhat and wind down from road "burn out". Outside of his pain pill problem back in 2002/3 (a problem which is ridiculously common amongst wrestlers and even then, it didn't translate to TV) he has only fucked up once at that TNA PPV. If the guy chooses to get high off his tits away from the wrestling business, it has fuck all to do with anybody else. The only thing wrestling fans should have anything to say about is whether or not he's doing his job properly. And outside of that one incident last year, he's never failed to do that.


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TNA has clearly forgiven him for his past transgressions. It would be a waste of everyone's time to continue punishing him at this point.
this x1000. It makes me laugh when people write off and severely question certain decisions made by big wrestling companies in regards to the well-being and use of their talent when their view is coming mostly through a computer monitor as opposed to actually being around/employing/knowing/having far more insight into a person/persons. Even things like guys getting pushed. See: Lance Storm. You see a lot of people saying "Lance Storm should have been pushed all the way" when all 3 major wrestling organizations of the 90's/early 2000's with a hell of a lot more of an idea/experience/a clue than these people all thought differently.

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Hasn't this professional company let Road Dogg and X-Pac wrestle shitfaced in the past?
absolutely no idea, have never heard of it. Wouldn't be surprised tho, these guys are/were practically drug pros, wouldn't shock me at all that they could essentially hide it well enough.
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The most objectionable thing that Jeff Hardy has ever done is record that "Modest" song.
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