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Old 09-23-2012, 12:16 AM   #41
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:41 AM   #42
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Bret Hart, Stone Cold and Flair were all better than HBK
Bret Hart - Great Technical Wrestler. HBK can do that.
Stone Cold - Great ring psychologist and brawler (was great before his neck injury). HBK can do that.
Flair - Great chickenshit heel. Great "legend" babyface. Great psychologist. HBK can do all that.

Ric Flair is the only wrestler who can claim to be better than Shawn Michaels, but Shawn Michaels had everything Flair had plus even more athleticism and more versatility in his promo ability.
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Bret Hart - Great Technical Wrestler. HBK can do that.
Stone Cold - Great ring psychologist and brawler (was great before his neck injury). HBK can do that.
Flair - Great chickenshit heel. Great "legend" babyface. Great psychologist. HBK can do all that.

Ric Flair is the only wrestler who can claim to be better than Shawn Michaels, but Shawn Michaels had everything Flair had plus even more athleticism and more versatility in his promo ability.
"HBK can do that" yeah, he can, but not as well in any category.
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:04 AM   #44
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"HBK can do that" yeah, he can, but not as well in any category.
HBK may not be as good of a pure "technical wrestler" as Bret Hart, but Shawn Michaels is no slouch on pure wrestling and his psychology and story-telling is second to none. Shawn Michaels' promo skills are second to few. Isn't it amazing that being really fucking good at a lot of different facets of wrestling make you the "best wrestler" moreso than just being great at one thing and mediocre at the rest?
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Randy Savage bc he wasn't in playgirl magazine.
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[QUOTE=James Steele;3985373]. Shawn Michaels' promo skills are second to few.

Really ? If there is any category where HBK lacks, it's promo skills.
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Two guys that are in my top 5, but went with HBK because he's higher on that list.
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Really ? If there is any category where HBK lacks, it's promo skills.
Please show me a bad HBK promo that he did after 1991.
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Please show me a bad HBK promo that he did after 1991.
Well to you there won't be any, so what's the point.
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and his psychology and story-telling is second to none.
And really, this is the main reason I put HBK ahead of anyone. Telling a story with everything you do in a match is the most important aspect of wrestling to me and HBK mastered it.
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Well to you there won't be any, so what's the point.
I'd be interested to see what you would consider a bad HBK promo...
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I'd be interested to see what you would consider a bad HBK promo...
There's not really a bad HBK promo, per say, just nothing that stands out compared to Macho Man.
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So...you are a troll?
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Sooo... to you there aren't any either? lol
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What Macho Man promos stand out to you and why? I can't remember any specific promos from Macho Man (granted he has been inactive for over a decade). He was charismatic as fuck and got you watching/listening, but I don't vividly remember any Macho Man promos for their actual content.
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I can't think of any "stand out" Macho Man promos.

I liked him on the mic. But I seriously can't pin point any specific promos.

HBK I can remember entire feuds where he was just on fire on the mic constantly.
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I can't think of any "stand out" Macho Man promos.

I liked him on the mic. But I seriously can't pin point any specific promos.

HBK I can remember entire feuds where he was just on fire on the mic constantly.

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Sooo... to you there aren't any either? lol
What I said originally was that if there was any category that HBK wasn't up to par as far as HOF consideration it was promo skills. I never said he was bad, just not as good as guys I would consider for the HOF. I don't know why this is difficult to comprehend.
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I can't think of any "stand out" Macho Man promos.

I liked him on the mic. But I seriously can't pin point any specific promos.

HBK I can remember entire feuds where he was just on fire on the mic constantly.
Really ? I don't know you personally, but you must not be a wrestling fan before around 96.
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I want to see a Great Macho Man Promo
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What I said originally was that if there was any category that HBK wasn't up to par as far as HOF consideration it was promo skills. I never said he was bad, just not as good as guys I would consider for the HOF. I don't know why this is difficult to comprehend.
Except that HBK is considered one of the best promo guys of all time...
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What I said originally was that if there was any category that HBK wasn't up to par as far as HOF consideration it was promo skills. I never said he was bad, just not as good as guys I would consider for the HOF. I don't know why this is difficult to comprehend.
You never said he was bad. When you say there's no point in posting a bad HBK promo because "to you there weren't any" as opposed to "there weren't any" it does kind of imply that there are HBK promos you find bad.

Yes, things are tough to comprehend when they're inconsistent.
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The deal is that unlike Hogan and others, HBK's ringwork was so great that his promos never outshined his actual wrestling.
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Really ? I don't know you personally, but you must not be a wrestling fan before around 96.
I've watched my entire life actually. I was born in '84. I grew up liking Savage. He was great on the mic. Not someone I or anyone I've heard says "Hey remember that one promo..." about though.
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I've watched my entire life actually. I was born in '84. I grew up liking Savage. He was great on the mic. Not someone I or anyone I've heard says "Hey remember that one promo..." about though.
I was trying to find the promo from after WM 8, but I can't find it. To me that promo is head and shoulders above anything promo wise that HBK has ever done.
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Found it

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x53...avage-po_sport

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Really ? I don't know you personally, but you must not be a wrestling fan before around 96.
Then find one on YouTube and post it. Don't sit there and say "HBK wasn't an elite HOF level promo, but Randy Savage was." then not give any examples of said promos where Savage is a "Hall of Fame promo".

HBK's descent into madness leading into WrestleMania XXVI and his obsession and need to beat The Undertaker to justify his entire career and legacy.

HBK's "mini heel-turn" against Hulk Hogan in the summer of 05 where he carried a main event feud (and match) on his back.

HBK's heel work in 1997-1998 where he had a chip on his shoulder because he was "The Headliner", "The Main Event", "The Show Stopper", and so on yet he still gets disrespected by guys like Bret Hart and others.

Shawn Michaels' promo in the press conference for WrestleMania XI. That one single line freaking 17 years ago really defines HBK's career and that was before he even won a World Title or main evented a WrestleMania (Bam Bam/LT main evented WM11).

Shawn Michaels' promos with the McMahons in 06 saved a months-long feud from being entirely unbearable.

The promos with Flair through WrestleMania XXIV. The emotions of not wanting to be the guy to end Flair's career but also "being a man" and accepting the challenge of your hero.

All the promos going into WM 25 were awesome.

Jericho/Michaels feuds in 2003 and 2008 were awesome both in the wrestling and in their promos.

Shawn Michaels was always able to cut promos that made you believe what he was saying and that helped define his character's attitude/beliefs/etc in a feud and made you want to see the match even more because you were hooked either emotionally through Shawn Michaels' ability to convince you that you wanted to see the resolution of the conflict or made you want to see the match because he is Shawn fucking Michaels and it will more than likely be the match of the night and candidate for match of the year.
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I was trying to find the promo from after WM 8, but I can't find it. To me that promo is head and shoulders above anything promo wise that HBK has ever done.
That's a stretch.
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That's a stretch.
In your opinion, not mine
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Show me a promo form youtube or wherever that you think is better than that.
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completely off topic, but is there a better theme than this ?
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Had to go with HBK, but it's definitely not a knock on Macho Man.
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Those aren't even "memorable" promos that everyone talks about.
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HBK superkicked a little girl in the face guys. Instantly a better promo than anything Savage ever did.
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What?

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You don't actually see it, but still




Also just cause I love it
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