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Old 10-17-2012, 02:22 PM   #41
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Is that Nicki Minaj?
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I didn't really care for "Back That Thing Up" but I pretty much love the rest of Justin Moore's stuff.

Also Eric Chruch. Creepin' is probably my favorite current song.
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Eric Church, Luke Bryan, Jason Aldean, Keith Urban, and Dierks Bentley...

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I like some of Jason's music as well.

Tattoos On This Town is one of my favorites of his anymore.
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Who gives a fuck if you write your own music?
me. it comes off as non-authentic. it just makes me lose much respect for that 'artist'.
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I had a whole thing I typed out about how you are missing the point of music.

Then I realized it was a waste of time.
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me. it comes off as non-authentic. it just makes me lose much respect for that 'artist'.
Do you find an actor's performance "non-authentic" when he's in a movie he didn't write?
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Exactly. They take the song and interpret it, perform it, and make it their own. There is a reason why the writer doesn't just perform it themselves or when they do it is usually inferior.
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Yah! You think Jason Aldean could write a song about taking a ride on a big green tractor? Come on. Let the pro's do that work.
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I had a whole thing I typed out about how you are missing the point of music.

Then I realized it was a waste of time.
lol at the 'point of music'. but i do know what you are getting at with it. "as long as i enjoy it, who cares?" type of thing. that is pretty understandable. i am not telling anyone not enjoy it, or hating on anyone for doing so. i am just stating how i just don't respect his 'artistic abilities'

i enjoy music that is performed by people who did not write the song. though, i do not fully respect their 'musicianship' or 'artistic ability' though this varies, like how aldean seemingly writes little to nothing. out of his 4 albums, he has 1 writing credit for a song. this dude just seems like a 'creation' ala most of the pop stars around.

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Do you find an actor's performance "non-authentic" when he's in a movie he didn't write?
not the same.

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Exactly. They take the song and interpret it, perform it, and make it their own. There is a reason why the writer doesn't just perform it themselves or when they do it is usually inferior.
of course there are reasons for that. though it does say a lot, to me, that this guy has 4 albums and partially wrote only 1 song.
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not the same.
How is it not the same???
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How is it not the same???
because, generally, the actor is not expected to write their lines/characters. musicians, for the most part in modern music, are seen as the writers/poets of their time. well, the 'authentic' ones. doesn't work for a good comparison.

but, i suppose the main character of this thread could be seen as an actor.
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So it comes down to "expectations". It's not the same because it's not what is "expected". It's fine for actors but not for musicians because of "expectations".

You don't see why that's flimsy reasoning?
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i expect good musicians of today to write and perform their own music? not flimsy at all.

i never once said it isn't fine for musicians to do that. do whatever works for you. i just said that i lack respect for this guy musically.
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But it's different aspects, writing and performing. Whether it's music or anything. To broadly say that you lack respect for someone musically because despite being good at one aspect, they don't do another is literally the same thing as saying "I lack respect for that guy as far as movies go because although he's good at acting, he doesn't write or direct anything."

People can be songwriters and not singers. People can be singers and not songwriters. People can be actors and not directors or writers. People can be writers and not actors. Why would you lack respect for someone for being really good at what they do?

You can't just say "Because I expect..." That doesn't mean anything. I can say I expect a good chef to use only recipes he created and if I find out he uses other people's recipes I could say I lack respect for him because of it. Wouldn't make sense. The guy cooks ridiculously good food. Of course I respect him as a cook.
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And let me just add that this is not an attempt to defend Jason Aldean who I do not care much for and wouldn't say I "respect" anything he does.
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People can be songwriters and not singers. People can be singers and not songwriters. People can be actors and not directors or writers. People can be writers and not actors. Why would you lack respect for someone for being really good at what they do?
because there are others, in the genre and out who do what he does and more. i respect those people more than him, yes. how in any way is that wrong? all it comes down to is it being my opinion on what i feel is a good musician/artist.

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lol whut. yea, of course i can say i have expectations on what makes a good musician in my eyes. because that is totally reasonable. you are really going about this over nothing. did i say i think he is completely worthless? no. i don't respect him as much as say an Alan Jackson or even Toby Keith. is that really even ridiculous? good singers are a dime a dozen. he fits a look and background well for what he is marketed for and plays his part in making songs enjoyable.
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I respect him cheating on his wife.
funny how LeAnn Rhymes got loads of shit for her cheating scandal, but people are 'meh' about this.
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because there are others, in the genre and out who do what he does and more. i respect those people more than him, yes. how in any way is that wrong? all it comes down to is it being my opinion on what i feel is a good musician/artist.

lol whut. yea, of course i can say i have expectations on what makes a good musician in my eyes. because that is totally reasonable. you are really going about this over nothing. did i say i think he is completely worthless? no. i don't respect him as much as say an Alan Jackson or even Toby Keith. is that really even ridiculous? good singers are a dime a dozen. he fits a look and background well for what he is marketed for and plays his part in making songs enjoyable.
"I respect people who also write their own songs more" is different than "I lack respect for people who don't write their own songs" which is what you said earlier.
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funny how LeAnn Rhymes got loads of shit for her cheating scandal, but people are 'meh' about this.
Probably because more people are aware of LeAnn Rhimes to give her shit and much less people know or care who Jason Aldean is. Mainstream appeal comes with people caring more about what you do, good or bad.
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"I respect people who also write their own songs more" is different than "I lack respect for people who don't write their own songs" which is what you said earlier.
is this serious?

to explain anyway: both those statements go with the logic that i respect this dude less than i respect those who write their own songs. both those quotes back that up. you seem to think that just a lack of respect is somehow a total lack of respect.
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So on the same level, you respect an actor less than a screenwriter who also acts in the movie, right?
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again with that comparison and another assumption. thanks for this fun little run-around. you obviously know where i stand on the musical front, but you keep playing hard to 'get' me on something. now you want to go into some debate as to why i think movie actors and musicians are different. not worth it.
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Is it wrong? I assumed you would say 'yes' to that and I was gonna agree with you there...
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musicians ≠ actors. so the argument is rather pointless.
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lol. They are literally people performing. Nothing more... nothing less. They are people who perform. And for some reason you have it in your mind that one is fine just performing while the other is obligated to do more or else you lose some respect for him.
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I'M ONLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT MUSIC. DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THE MOVIE FORUM? IS THERE A POPCORN STAND?
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Actors act.... musicians play music... but also have to be writers. lol

I can't fathom how you don't see the weird standard here.
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Totally taking out all my frustration of the whole "Psh. S/he doesn't write his/her own songs so I'm gonna shit on them." thought process some people have on you right now. No hard feelings... But your point sucks.
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And for some reason you have it in your mind that one is fine just performing while the other is obligated to do more or else you lose some respect for him.
except... you know.... i never said that.
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me. it comes off as non-authentic. it just makes me lose much respect for that 'artist'.
lol. Come on.
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Sorry. "much" respect, not "some". My bad.
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Actors act....
exactly. that is all they are required to do. pretty simple way to describe their job. the term 'musician' has a wider umbrella. what if the producer, who also acts, has a smaller role and didn't have to go deep into it? i am not going to automatically respect someone more cause the produced/wrote and acted in the same movie. they could have been shit in their role. they could have a shit script. there may not be as much required of their character as compared to the main character, who did a great 'acting' job. there are many variables when it comes to the argument. which doesn't make the simple comparison of actors/musicians really fair. as we are talking about music and you keep wanting to move somewhere else .

it is as simple as i do not view the 2 forms of media in the same light. mainly probably because i grew up in/with music and i have never been an avid/regular movie watcher. i just don't care about it as much.
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lol. Come on.
yes, i said it about this musician. but i did not say that about actors. actors are meant to act. writers write. sometimes someone does both at once.

some musicians just sing, some just play an instrument, some just write, some do all of them. some are yoko ono. some excel at their one thing that it diminishes their lack of 'musicianship' in other areas. it's almost a case by case basis. it is not a be-all end-all rule of my 'respect'. that is why this is so ridiculous. you are taking this one instance of me not having full respect for a country singer and basing my stances of all actors/producers off of it.
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It all basically comes down to you throwing in unnecessary things under the 'musician' umbrella. Because for whatever reason you've deemed someone is not allowed to choose to sing and perform music without being judged on writing as well. Why would you not fully respect their "artistic abilities" based on what artistic abilities they choose to showcase? Or a better question, do you lack respect for songwriters if they don't perform?
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you are taking this one instance of me not having full respect for a country singer and basing my stances of all actors/producers off of it.
At no point was I even bringing your lack of respect for Jason Aldean into things. In fact, I went out of my way earlier to make it clear I wasn't defending him or knocking your opinion of him but knocking the broad statement that singers need to write.
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Why would you not fully respect their "artistic abilities" based on what artistic abilities they choose to showcase?
because the artistic ability they choose to use/show is not really that great.
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depends on how good they are.
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Mainly because in his case, I do find Jason Aldean to come off as a "creation" and a fake character playing to what the typical rednecky country fan wants to hear.
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