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Old 11-13-2012, 06:39 PM   #41
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An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others

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Old 11-13-2012, 08:03 PM   #42
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to strive to outdo another for acknowledgment, a prize, supremacy, profit, etc.; engage in a contest; vie

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Old 11-13-2012, 08:11 PM   #43
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But they DO strive to out do one another for acknowledgment, a prize, supremacy, AND profits, amirite?
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:21 PM   #44
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not when it comes to the match/so called "competition" itself
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:30 PM   #45
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All sport is a work, accept it.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:06 AM   #46
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That sort of statement is why people feel the way they do about wrestling fans.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:33 PM   #47
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Films, plays, and TV shows are "fake" too, but they're not calling themselves a sport, nor do they try to make people think what they are watching is real, whereas some people still think wrestlers try to convince the audience that the matches are real and some fans like to call it a sport even though McMahon (among others) admitted ages ago it is all fake.

I think pro wrestling use to be real perhaps many moons ago in the days of Stu Hart and Lou Thesz until the suits realized they could make more money by staging it. Not to mention enough men were probably not desiring to become wrestlers since it would be a very dangerous sport if it was real, and illegal most likely in some places.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:56 PM   #48
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Has pro wrestling advertised itself as a sport in the last 20 years or so?

By "pro wrestling," I mean any player of even minor significance. Not the "Federation" St Jimmy books in his back yard.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:32 PM   #49
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Virtually everything is stereotyped to some degree. Black people are criminals, white people have no rhythm, Latinos are lazy, Jews are "tight" with money, etc, etc.

You really shouldn't worry about it.

Also, wrestling is ridiculous and people love to state the obvious.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:36 PM   #50
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Virtually everything is stereotyped to some degree. Black people are criminals, white people have no rhythm, Latinos are lazy, Jews are "tight" with money, etc, etc.
I thought black people are lazy and Latinos do a ton of manual labor for little pay via getting picked up while standing outside hardware stores?
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:43 AM   #51
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Virtually everything is stereotyped to some degree. Black people are criminals, white people have no rhythm, Latinos are lazy, Jews are "tight" with money, etc, etc.

You really shouldn't worry about it.

Also, wrestling is ridiculous and people love to state the obvious.
Except everythign you listed above is the truth
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:49 AM   #52
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I thought black people are lazy and Latinos do a ton of manual labor for little pay via getting picked up while standing outside hardware stores?
I think the main difference between the blacks and the Hispanics is that blacks fight dogs and Mexicans fight chickens. That's about it really.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:15 AM   #53
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I think the main difference between the blacks and the Hispanics is that blacks fight dogs and Mexicans fight chickens. That's about it really.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:41 PM   #54
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I thought black people are lazy and Latinos do a ton of manual labor for little pay via getting picked up while standing outside hardware stores?
Pardon my misconceptions. We don't get many Latinos around here.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:13 PM   #55
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Honestly, if they managed to make it more of a spectacle these days and made things seem important, it wouldn't have the bad reputation it does. It would just be something else on t.v. But it's so bad, rushed, and lowest common denominator that the general consensus is that it's crap. If the WWE actually took time to produce a decent product people wouldn't say the things they do about wrestling, or have the same feelings.

Mind you I wouldn't want it to be like ROH, that sort of takes away the larger than life spectacle of it. I just wish it could be a tad more engaging so people were taken by it. Wrestling used to garner absolutely massive ratings and people were all about respecting the performers. The problem is, a bunch of things happen and none of it means anything. If storylines were more engaging and heartfelt, people would respect wreslters more as performers and be amazed at what they do. Instead, the product treats itself like a joke thus it is taken by most as a joke. The fact that when Steve Austin mentioned to Vince McMahon he wanted to be a cold as ice killer type character, McMahon came up with the idea "Chilly McFreeze" should suggest why people think it's a low rent joke.

I only refer to the WWE because that's what most people would equate to wrestling.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:06 PM   #56
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Films, plays, and TV shows are "fake" too,.... nor do they try to make people think what they are watching is real.
They kinda do though. I never watched an episode of say, *looks at what's on TV* The Big Bang Theory in which before it starts we're told "btw, this ain't real."
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There's also an alarming number of people who think actors are exactly the same as the characters they portray on TV.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:22 PM   #58
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com·pete   [kuhm-peet] Show IPA
verb (used without object), com·pet·ed, com·pet·ing.
to strive to outdo another for acknowledgment, a prize, supremacy, profit, etc.; engage in a contest; vie

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not when it comes to the match/so called "competition" itself
By that logic, there are any number of things that could be considered a sport.

I think the important thing to remember, is that just because pro wrestling is not a sport, that fact doesn't diminish the extraordinary performances that take place in the ring.

So, while I wouldn't classify it as a sport, I don't see why that should even matter.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:48 PM   #59
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I are confused

do you think I was calling it a sport?
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My bad. Should have been directed at drave82. Didn't read all the posts and mixed up who was being sarcastic and who wasn't. You win this round internet.

He seems like a good poster. Rare to find new blood on tpww that is actually coherent and can engage in normal conversation.

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Meh, I don't care one way or the other really. I consider it a "sport" because of the athleticism and what not. Care cup is empty on the fixed results, I'm entertained none the less.

Thanks for the slight rub, been visiting this site for YEARS, just never registered on the forums, I was a lurker

To stay on topic, we had a meeting @ work this morning and the pres asked if anyone had any big plans for the weekend. I announced, to my entire division, that I was going to Survivor Series this weekend and it was better than what anyone else has planned hands down. The looks around the room were classic "EERRRMMEERRRRGEERRRRRD WRASSLIN?!"

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Old 11-16-2012, 01:14 PM   #63
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You know it's fake, right?
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:18 PM   #64
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I mostly attribute the whole vehement reaction to the notion that it's fake or not a sport as the typical behaviour of any cult or nerd subculture. Wrestling fans, especially internet wrestling fans, tend to be somewhere between Trekkie and "don't drink the Kool-Aid." One of the marks of both cults and nerd culture is hostility towards outsiders.

I have trouble seeing people who get up in your face over calling wrestling "fake" any different from the people who hate the label "comic books" and instead whine that they're "sequential art." It comes down to "we don't like the term, so tantrum."

I think the reaction does more to strengthen the stereotype than anything else.
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I know it, love it and am entertained by it

Never seen people get hostile over being told it's fake, but that would be silly indeed. And you are spot on with other "art" forms being held in a different light
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:02 PM   #66
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It's not being told it's fake that is retarded. If the subject comes up where you are trying to defend it as not being fake in any way, by all means someone should feel free to say "it's fake".

It's when the "You know it's fake..." comes simply from the notion that you enjoy it. As if they're literally saying "You shouldn't enjoy it because it's fake."

I've seriously said something about enjoying wrestling and had someone say "You know it's fake, right?" And they deserved to be punched for being a fucking moron.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:24 PM   #67
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I know it, love it and am entertained by it

Never seen people get hostile over being told it's fake, but that would be silly indeed. And you are spot on with other "art" forms being held in a different light
People have gotten their asses in slings on this very site over it. There was also much schadenfreude when Edge told off a reporter or interviewer for calling it fake.

Apparently, it's not fake if you can get injured doing it. Which means action movies are also not fake.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:25 PM   #68
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Personally, when people ask me why I like pro wrestling (assuming they don't lead in with the fake comments), I just say "where else can I watch big oily dudes grope each other for free?"

That usually ends the conversation.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:39 PM   #69
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Apparently, it's not fake if you can get injured doing it. Which means action movies are also not fake
I <345 your logic

Hell, I'm sure people can take it back to the late 80's early 90's when Vader grabbed the reporter and hit him, asking him if it felt fake. Vader was/is a badass.

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Personally, when people ask me why I like pro wrestling (assuming they don't lead in with the fake comments), I just say "where else can I watch big oily dudes grope each other for free?"
I too, employ this method at times. On occasion, is has warranted unwanted follow up questions, like "Wat r u doing this weekend". and I reply with something like "watching wrestling marathons....... nekkid"

Then the convo ends
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:19 PM   #70
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Also wrestling clowns...did not help the reputation of our beloved institution.
hey. i liked doink.
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We all liked Doink but he wasn't exactly a beacon of respect.
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I <345 your logic

Hell, I'm sure people can take it back to the late 80's early 90's when Vader grabbed the reporter and hit him, asking him if it felt fake. Vader was/is a badass.



I too, employ this method at times. On occasion, is has warranted unwanted follow up questions, like "Wat r u doing this weekend". and I reply with something like "watching wrestling marathons....... nekkid"

Then the convo ends
Awkward silences for all!
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it's one of those things people like to stereotype. gives them a sense of being superior to something. "as bad as your life gets, at least you aren't a wrestling fan."

i do coaching/skating with a local roller derby league here. casual fans refuse to get into the sport/technicalities of it. whenever i mention rules, points, strategies, etc., people immediately fall asleep. the only allure to anyone, male or female, is a bunch of girls with wild nicknames in skates and flashy costumes with ass-jacker stockings throwing elbows at each other. what sport?

so, the only reason they like it at all is because it is like wrestling. weird.
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what is this roller derby talk
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what is this? roller derby talk?
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what? is this roller derby talk?
i don't know how to respond. so... yes.
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it's one of those things people like to stereotype. gives them a sense of being superior to something. "as bad as your life gets, at least you aren't a wrestling fan."

i do coaching/skating with a local roller derby league here. casual fans refuse to get into the sport/technicalities of it. whenever i mention rules, points, strategies, etc., people immediately fall asleep. the only allure to anyone, male or female, is a bunch of girls with wild nicknames in skates and flashy costumes with ass-jacker stockings throwing elbows at each other. what sport?

so, the only reason they like it at all is because it is like wrestling. weird.
It really doesn't hurt that pro wrestling is about as low as one can get on the "lowest common denominator" totem poll. On the other hand, it's still not Jersey Shore.

I doubt we'll change the stereotype because wrestling ain't about to get more classy. And really, I doubt wrestling fans care about this too much. I mean, maybe we want to forget Katie Vick or the birth of the hand, but if we were looking for sophistication, we'd head elsewhere.

Call it a guilty pleasure if you want. Or, say you enjoy it "ironically" like a douchebag hipster. Everybody likes hipsters, right?
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The hundreds of creatures making youtube videos crying just because wrestler x din't beat wrestler y and then going on and on about why they think they'd do a much better job, and thus go into detail telling the whole 4 people who will watch the video how they would run things is probably why wrestling is steretyped.
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