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Old 12-13-2012, 12:09 PM   #41
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4.4 million for the show, 6 million for the main event..

Why couldn't ESPN heavily promote fights?? Or any network they are on for that matter??
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:53 PM   #42
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Why couldn't ESPN heavily promote fights?? Or any network they are on for that matter??
Possible because they view MMA as too risky for their network because some shithead might start flipping everyone off or Dana White start cussing out fighters in the post-show presser. Remember, ESPN/ABC is owned by Disney.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:00 PM   #43
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Like this??



Or this??



Or this??



And that guy works for ESPN..

GTFO of here with yr incessant garbage..
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:53 PM   #44
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Just because shit happens doesn't mean they approve of it and desire it on their network. The NFL also has much more pull than the UFC as they are already on their network and are easily the most profitable brand in sports. Quit being such a defensive asshat.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:06 PM   #45
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Stop using Nate Diaz flipping people off as this supposed dagger that is the end all of MMA ever becoming mainstream.. There has been the exact same thing in all other major sports.. Cussing, flipping the bird, fights, etc happen pretty much every major league game ever played..

"Disney owns ESPN", yeah whatever.. They were all over Gronk posting pictures with a porn star, Andre Johnson and Cortland Finnegan fighting, Ndomakong Suh's stomping peoples balls, and ANY other scandal that equals ratings..

Stop acting like Diaz raped a baby..
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:14 PM   #46
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You keep missing the entire fucking point and just keep pointing to other athlete's bad behavior.

All those other leagues are well established. UFC is trying to establish itself as more than Boxing 2.0 and as a viable year round sport for networks to air and shed it's negative image from years of bad press. These incidents do not help them do that. What is so fucking hard to understand about that point?
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What's so hard to understand that these type of things happened during the growth of said pro leagues, not just after they were already popular??
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You act like ESPN is airing Suh kicking people in the head and screaming "THIS IS WHY I LOVE FOOTBALL!!" No, they are condemning it and destroying his character. You bitch about ESPN not giving UFC a fair shake, but when the only notable thing out of UFC the past year or so was not about the competition but the bullshit circus surrounding the fights.
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I've never denied they didn't, but UFC need to do something about it like the other leagues do. UFC is also developing in the 2000s and not the 1940s.
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You act like ESPN is airing Suh kicking people in the head and screaming "THIS IS WHY I LOVE FOOTBALL!!" No, they are condemning it and destroying his character. You bitch about ESPN not giving UFC a fair shake, but when the only notable thing out of UFC the past year or so was not about the competition but the bullshit circus surrounding the fights.
WTF are you talking about??

Why shouldn't they do the same to Diaz??

Are you fucking retarded??

I am sure that if FOX had complained then Dana White would have fined Diaz, or will fine fighters/cornermen if they do shit like this on live broadcast tv..
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**Not to the point of Goodell football overlord levels, but you know what I mean. Fighters should know that if they are dumb enough to pull the kind of shit Silva, Diaz, or Ortiz, etc. have pulled over the years in the main event of a network special they will pay for it.
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WTF are you talking about??

Why shouldn't they do the same to Diaz??

Are you fucking retarded??

I am sure that if FOX had complained then Dana White would have fined Diaz, or will fine fighters/cornermen if they do shit like this on live broadcast tv..
It shouldn't take Fox complaining to get Dana to fine him. It should be a standardized thing. What if Silva pulled his stunt like he did awhile back in the main event of a Fox Special (I know he will only ever be on PPV but work with me) then what? Fighters should have the fear of God of doing stupid shit that hurts the sport.
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Possible because they view MMA as too risky for their network because some shithead might start flipping everyone off or Dana White start cussing out fighters in the post-show presser. Remember, ESPN/ABC is owned by Disney.
But on the contrary, ESPN was in negotiations with Zuffa for UFC programming. There was one big hang up: ESPN wanted full production control during live events. Fox let Zuffa keep that.
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Wonder why ESPN would want full production control during live events?
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But that is why yr point is moot, FOX came out and said they were happy with the way UFC production handled it and had ZERO complaints..
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That is great, but it still happened. The fact it happened is the whole issue. Just because Fox has no complaints doesn't mean nothing should be done about it.
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It doesn't negate what I'm saying at all considering the fight was free, heavily promoted on Fox and also featured B.J. Penn (a guy who was a big PPV draw for the company in his prime) and Shogun Rua. Also, despite Steele feeling otherwise about Nate Diaz, Nate being the challenger also helped considering the popularity of the Diaz brothers.

And again, Zuffa doesn't make money from those free fights so it's not necessarily in their best interest to have to stack a card like that in order to support a champion that isn't a PPV draw.
Exactly.

Zuffa rolled out a once in a lifetime card for Free TV to try to grow its brand. They cannot do this very often. but it was a wise move. And yes, lots of viewers. Now we need to see if it increases PPV buys and the UFC Brand.

But to compare Boxing and MMA, Krispy if you actually beleive anything you are saying, must be crazy.

Pac Man made more on this one fight alone (Not even considering the money made by the venue, opponent, and promoters) than the UFC makes on a few events combined.
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Yes but other than him and Mayweather, who is a boxing draw??

Also, you have to consider it's been 12 years since MMA had full sanctions, while boxing has been around since the 1800's..
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Are you a moron? You are claiming MMA is more viable right now than boxing then keep pushing out these completely irrelavant facts?

YEAH, MMA IS NEWER! So being smaller than big money boxing isnt a bad thing. You have such a napoleon complex about a FUCKING SPORT.

You might not consider anyone major draws, but the next title fight is going to out gross UFC. Doesnt fucking matter.

the UFC is growing every year. They arent going to catch boxing overnight. Give it up.
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Calm down..

First of all MMA is more viable than boxing and in the next 10 years will def over take it in buyrates and revenue.. Ten years ago you had like 6 boxers who were a big "draw" and now that number is down to TWO.. Really after saturday night, the one big money match boxing had left is now null and void due to ONE of those TWO big time draws getting KTFO.. Boxings main problem was they milked guys like De La Hoya for all he was worth, while not developing new talent..

All this is besides the point..

The point is, you have a popular sport that is drawing bigger numbers than the NBA, NHL, and MLB and it's not being discussed on ESPN "the worldwide leader in sports" all because of politics, while they fill their airtime with bowling, poker, spelling bee's, and chess champions..
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If you read the thread, boxing was brought up because James Steele claims that the reason UFC isn't mainstream, is because they gave Sonnen a title shot cause he is a draw.. I merely said boxing had been doing that for over a century.. Then the comparisons about boxing draws to MMA started.. Sure boxing still draws more NOW, because it is a 150 year old sport, while MMA is only 19 years old.. Granddad's still order boxing PPV's, but in a few years those granddads will not be around to continue to be fans..

You realize the demographic all these sports are geared towards is 18-40 year olds right?? I can't name a single person that ordered that PPV saturday night, but I sure can name like 30 of my friends who watch the UFC and that;s not just because it was on free tv..

Bottom line, ESPN is missing out on a pretty large chunk of fans who would watch just for MMA who don;t even watch non combat sports.. Don;t really think Bowling can say the same..
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ESPN isnt missing out, because they didnt end up with the UFC contract. Its the same reason there is no NHL coverage.

They arent ever going to promote or cover a sport that competes with their programming. Then things keep going in circles.
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They do cover NHL on SportsCenter, when there is a season..

And they are losing out because they made poor business decision by not signing the UFC contract..
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That guy is on SportsCenter all the time as their NHL Analyst..
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They do cover NHL on SportsCenter, when there is a season..

And they are losing out because they made poor business decision by not signing the UFC contract..
Or is UFC missing out because they didn't want to give up production?
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They should probably close down UFC. That's very rude and the only people who watch the UFC are these stupid ass people who think they are ultimate fighters and wear sparkly shirts. Its way gay than My Little Pony.
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UFC missed its chance to become mainstream. Now it's just a niche sport. About half the people care about MMA than they did 4 years ago.
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There weren't 12 million people watching fight nights in late 2008..
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It's pretty much over. Not too sure what douchebags are gonna do with their neck tattoo's and TAPOUT shirts when the company goes bankrupt in a couple years.
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It's pretty much over. Not too sure what douchebags are gonna do with their neck tattoo's and TAPOUT shirts when the company goes bankrupt in a couple years.
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Like this??



Or this??



Or this??



And that guy works for ESPN..

GTFO of here with yr incessant garbage..

None of those even happened on ESPN............

ESPN may be losing business but do you think they care? ESPN will be just fine without UFC but will UFC be just fine without ESPN in 10 years?
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Where did I say both teams would fold if they didn't merge??

Also, the Diaz fight didn't happen on ESPN just like those examples of bird flipping.. James Steele is saying they won't cover it because of this but all those happened during NFL games and ESPN still covers them..

You guys are kinda missing the point here..
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You keep missing the point.

NFL and other sports already got TV deals and have had them for decades. UFC is the one trying to get to that level. Night Train Lane wasn't flipping people off.
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UFC has a better tv deal than if they had signed with ESPN, you fucking dolt..

I am saying ESPN should cover MMA rather than bowling/poker/chess/spelling bee's..

Obv you like these things on the worldwide leader in SPORTS..
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So, you are bitching about ESPN's lack of coverage but then you trumpet how much of a better deal UFC has than if they had signed with ESPN. Quit bitching.
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Obviously, those things pull in ratings. I do wish ESPN would quit doing so many replays of Sportscenter, but that is the main reason watch ESPN is for the summary of the sports day.
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