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Old 08-15-2013, 06:19 PM   #41
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Hows it irresponsible? Does it impair you? Yes. You can be as liberal as you like but it impairs you and to try and defend it because "its not as bad as meth" is fucking ridiculous.
It's not that it isn't as harmful as meth. It isn't harmful at all. Like not one bit. At least not enough to matter in any significant way. I already said you probably shouldn't do it before a match or something but regular users are no different than non-regular users other than they just like to smoke in their offtime.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:11 AM   #42
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It isn't harmful at all. Like not one bit. .
Some of the common side effects of marijuana are:

Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia
Altered time perception

Neuropsychiatric Adverse Effects of Marijuana

Anxiety and panic
Paranoia
Confusion
Aggressiveness
Hallucinations
Sedation
Altered libido Possible suicidal ideation
Depersonalization
Derealization
Poor sense of time
Worsened short-term memory
Addictive behaviors
Amotivational syndrome


Nope, not harmful at all
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:25 AM   #43
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Some of the common side effects of marijuana are:

Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia
Altered time perception

Neuropsychiatric Adverse Effects of Marijuana

Anxiety and panic
Paranoia
Confusion
Aggressiveness
Hallucinations
Sedation
Altered libido Possible suicidal ideation
Depersonalization
Derealization
Poor sense of time
Worsened short-term memory
Addictive behaviors
Amotivational syndrome


Nope, not harmful at all


And walking downstairs is death.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:28 AM   #44
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I'm not saying everyone who smokes suffers all or any of those things but they are proven effects of marijuana usage so to turn around and say its not harmful one bit is bollocks.
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It isn't harmful when used responsibly. I'm willing to bet that those symptoms are probably from people that do absolutely nothing but smoke pot all day everyday for years. If you drank alcohol that much you'd die or your liver would explode. Moderation is important for anything. You're being kind of silly. Responsible recreational use of marijuana is not only mostly harmless, but in many ways it is beneficial. Had not figured you for one of those people that was irrational about pot use.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:56 AM   #46
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This past year I have smoked a lot. A lot. A lot a lot. Like sometimes for entire days. Seriously laughing aloud at reading some of those symptoms right now. Imagining severe confusion.
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You said it's not harmful at all, it's medically proven to be harmful, yes moderation is important for everything but you categorically stated it was "not harmful at all, not one bit" which is bollocks. You want to smoke fine, couldn't give a fuck less, but to spout pish like that is silly. Yes marijuana has benefits, as does alcohol, in moderation, as do a lot of things, but they all have side effects and can be harmful if abused and reactions vary from person to person. I'm not being irrational at all, you're the one who can't seem to grasp that it isn't this harmless superdrug you're touting it to be.
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Old 08-16-2013, 02:26 AM   #49
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I have no problem with weed. I think any adult should be able to put whatever they want into their body.

That being said, it's still a federal crime. So until it's legal on a federal level (no time soon), I think it should be considered a violation on par with whatever other illegal substances there are. Especially if you're going for a PG, family-friendly product. What message does it send to kids if their heroes are doing drugs and breaking the law?

In short, smoke if you want. I don't give a shit. But don't be shocked when the consequences happen.
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And the box/bag it came in.
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Old 08-16-2013, 03:58 AM   #50
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Not gonna lie, I'm a little disappointed to see what whiteyford's stance on marijuana is.
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I've seen first hand how people with cancer, AIDS and multiple sclerosis have benefited from the use of cannabis, so there is no way I'm ever gonna accept the notion that marijuana should be in the same category as meth.
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Don't have any issue with medical marijuana at all, I'm in favour of legislation for it, but to say that there is no harm at all from smoking it is just ridiculous, of course there is, there's side effects with any drug no matter what it is.
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This past year I have smoked a lot. A lot. A lot a lot. Like sometimes for entire days. Seriously laughing aloud at reading some of those symptoms right now. Imagining severe confusion.
Geez, not addictive stuff then?

The difference between marijuana and alcohol is that if you posted that you had been drinking alcohol for days, people would be concerned you've developed a problem, where as with weed, it's perfectly acceptable to be high for days.

Is reality that grim that people need to escape from it that often? Now a good friend of mine took weed a lot and she ended up screwing up her entire life. I'd go visit her and she'd be smoking all day, calling sick from work, paranoid about all sorts of shit, anxious, just really freaking out, she was addicted. Eventually she got off it and started taking care of herself, doing something productive and now she's happier. I'm not saying weed affects everyone like that, but people can not say it's harmless, especially when they show how addictive it is by revealing they take it for days and days.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:27 PM   #54
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I’m not high on it...
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Marijuana is not addictive.
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Some of the common side effects of marijuana are:

Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia
Altered time perception

Neuropsychiatric Adverse Effects of Marijuana

Anxiety and panic
Paranoia
Confusion
Aggressiveness
Hallucinations
Sedation
Altered libido Possible suicidal ideation
Depersonalization
Derealization
Poor sense of time
Worsened short-term memory
Addictive behaviors
Amotivational syndrome
I'm in...who's passing it?
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:44 PM   #57
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That's right, it's not harmful, not one bit....
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Marijuana is not addictive.
ANYTHING can be addictive, mentally speaking. no, it's not addictive physically. but i certainly have a mental addiction to it that i'm fighting with.
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Marijuana should never be treated like other drugs, IMO. it isn't like other drugs. Really irritates me when it gets lumped in with meth and actual dangerous substances. The lack of education on marijuana is pretty astounding.
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It isn't harmful when used responsibly. I'm willing to bet that those symptoms are probably from people that do absolutely nothing but smoke pot all day everyday for years. If you drank alcohol that much you'd die or your liver would explode. Moderation is important for anything. You're being kind of silly. Responsible recreational use of marijuana is not only mostly harmless, but in many ways it is beneficial. Had not figured you for one of those people that was irrational about pot use.
I agree with a lot of what you say, I would actually classify weed with steroids. When used safely and responsibly, can be very beneficial to the user. On the other side of that coin, who gets to decide what a "safe" amount of a controlled substance is? Especially, when your going out in front of a crowd and the slightest thing (I've already seen it happen) can put the person your in there with in the hospital. The only way you can say for sure is none.
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ANYTHING can be addictive, mentally speaking. no, it's not addictive physically. but i certainly have a mental addiction to it that i'm fighting with.
Well, the substance isn't addictive. If people just sit around and don't stop doing it, that's more on the person than anything else. Don't get me wrong, I've seen it happen but it has little to do with the marijuana itself.
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addction is addiction. you can excuse it any way you like.
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Narcs whole reasoning seems to be 'I smoke it without any problems so it's harmless' and the fact that I'm saying that there are in fact proven side effects from smoking is me being silly. I'm not debating the whole 'moderation' argument or even saying its on the same 'level' as meth because that's discussion forum territory, all I'm saying is that there are proven negative side effects, the same with any drug and Narc is being silly for saying otherwise.
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I agree with a lot of what you say, I would actually classify weed with steroids. When used safely and responsibly, can be very beneficial to the user. On the other side of that coin, who gets to decide what a "safe" amount of a controlled substance is? Especially, when your going out in front of a crowd and the slightest thing (I've already seen it happen) can put the person your in there with in the hospital. The only way you can say for sure is none.
Even if you overuse it, it's still not all that terrible. You can't say the same for most other drugs. I think people like to make excuses against marijuana because they want to believe that they've been staying away from it for a reason. There is no reason. The reason is that everyone was lied to about it at a young age. Most people could benefit from marijuana. And also, I'm having trouble following you. I already said multiple times you shouldn't do it before a match/ while in the ring. Marijuana doesn't really affect you when you aren't "high" much at all. Using it on your off time will not effect matches/ringwork etc.

People like getting on high horses about it a whole lot. It's really weird. I guess I understand cause I used to be the same way, but it sure is a bit annoying now that I'm on the side.
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Narcs whole reasoning seems to be 'I smoke it without any problems so it's harmless' and the fact that I'm saying that there are in fact proven side effects from smoking is me being silly. I'm not debating the whole 'moderation' argument or even saying its on the same 'level' as meth because that's discussion forum territory, all I'm saying is that there are proven negative side effects, the same with any drug and Narc is being silly for saying otherwise.
My problem is that you are making those side effects seem like they are common or happen a whole lot. They don't. Weed is relatively harmless when compared to all of the drugs that you lumped it in with earlier. And you said that it should be lumped in with those drugs. THAT is what is irresponsible. And like I said, anything can be dangerous if used incorrectly or if you have allergies/personal afflictions to it. As a general rule, it's relatively harmless if used correctly.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:12 PM   #65
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People get so angry and flustered about marijuana sometimes. Ironically, those people could probably really benefit from smoking it every once in awhile.
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A lot of those are common side effects, you stated its not harmful one bit, not every drug affects everyone in the same way obviously but those are all proven effects of marijuana use. And yes I'd lump it in with meth because they are both illegal drugs, my stance on drugs isn't a secret but I am all in favour of medicinal usage. I really don't give a fuck what any one smokes/pops/snorts/shoots but it's pretty fucking stupid saying its not harmful at all, which is exactly what you said.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:18 PM   #69
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just for clarification, do you mean lumped in as far as wwe's policy or the law?
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just for clarification, do you mean lumped in as far as wwe's policy or the law?
Here there are different classifications for drugs, Weed is a class C drug, which is the lowest band, Meth is the highest in A, and that makes sense to me, its an on the spot for possession I believe unless you're caught driving or whatever. As far as the wellness policy, yeah, if they are actually against the guys using it, and guys like Swagger getting caught driving baked doesn't help, then it should be a strike not a fine.
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It can be harmful under certain circumstances stated before but as a general rule, it's not really that harmful at all. I don't know why that makes you so angry. You could smoke for 10 years, quit, and experience very little withdrawal symptoms and very little health detriments, if any at all. Try doing that with meth. You would die before the 10 years was even up. My main problem is that you're being very ignorant with putting it in a category with other actual very harmful substances. Marijuana should be treated different than other drugs because it is different an other drugs. Other hard drugs are extremely harmful to the body and can cause extreme health concerns, while for the most part pot doesn't really do much. Prolonged THC exposure over a long period of time has shown to cause some problems but just use things moderately and everything should be fine.
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Your entire argument is 'for the most part' though. And it doesn't make me angry, you saying it isn't harmful in the slightest makes me think you're a tit but not angry, and that is my point, it is harmful, just like everything you put into your system there are side effects, these effects are proven and yes, they vary from person to person and some people won't suffer any and some will suffer the most extreme variations.
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Whiteyford, you seem to be most angry over my language of saying "not harmful one bit." Would you have been happier had I said "generally not harmful?" You're very hung up on my words right now.
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Yes, that's whats bugging me, the not harmful at all part because that's clearly bollocks.
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That seemed sarcastic but wasn't.
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Well. That was my fault for dealing in absolutes. My main point was that you can't lump all of those drugs in with one another because it sends the wrong message and it makes marijuana seem far more dangerous than it actually is. Like if you use meth for too long, you'll either die or you'll just become a disgusting shell of a person. If you use marijuana for too long, you'll probably have some short term memory loss, maybe paranoia every now and then, and you'll get addicted to eating gummy bears. There's a difference. That's what I was stuck on. Weed should never even be mentioned with things like meth, IMO. Or even cocaine, etc. Its a different animal.

Not going to sit here and spit venom at you or anything, I think we know where each other are coming from.
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What a thoughtful recommendation. I think I'll do that right this instant.
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