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Old 09-29-2013, 10:36 PM   #41
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If he has changed for the better, he should be able to say now "Refusing to lose in my home country to Shawn Michaels was fucking stupid."
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:40 PM   #42
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Bret is wrong in that regard and sounds foolish.
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Old 09-29-2013, 10:45 PM   #43
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They were both very wrong. But people seem to forget that Bret was cool losing it anywhere else any time after. But he was stupid to ever think he could just forfeit the title lol
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I took this book out of the library the same time as Jericho's first book. Read Jericho's book first and then lost all desire to read Bret's at the time because I didn't want to get into what I knew would probably be full of negative vibes, after enjoying the positive vibes of Jericho.
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They were both very wrong. But people seem to forget that Bret was cool losing it anywhere else any time after. But he was stupid to ever think he could just forfeit the title lol
It's the friggen PPV. Can't lose it before because it basically ruins the ppv, cheap finishes in major ppv's blow. It's just ridiculous on Bret's part.
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HBK was definitely a douchebag. He was wrong for that. That has no bearing on the outcome of the match though. It shouldn't have stopped Bret from doing the job. Not "anywhere else" either. That night. If he came out and admitted it was unprofessional, I'd agree that he's changed.
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Bret handing the belt over would have killed the company
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It's the friggen PPV. Can't lose it before because it basically ruins the ppv, cheap finishes in major ppv's blow. It's just ridiculous on Bret's part.
Oh come the fuck on lollll, they just did a dusty finish at a friggin ppv. Losing on RAW wouldn't have meant a difference.

However, Vince was just plain smart (or lucky), and played up on the controversy beautifully. At the end of the day this is a business and it can be cut throat. It's a shame that it wounded one of my heroes, but I can't fully fault Vince, although let's get serious, he is a dishonest prick.
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Though the only thing I don't get is that it didn't hurt Bret's character at all :-S, I mean it was obviously screwy how the finish went down and he didn't lose clean in his home country, he got screwed, so it didn't hurt his brand. I honestly feel like he would have gotten over it LONG before if it wasn't for what happened with Owen. That's the one thing that'll haunt him for the rest of his days. He feels like if he was there he could have stopped it, and he wasn't, and I feel like that's why there will always be a bit of resentment.
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And people got their money back who ordered it lol
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Well I'm just saying, they're speaking out of both sides of their mouths. Vince and Shawn CLEARLY wanted to bury Bret, that much I believe.
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Word was that Bischoff was going to announce Bret coming over on that Monday, so there wasn't much choice. It had to be done by the PPV.
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Plus, they just lost their world champ to the competitor who was destroying them. Kinda had to bury him.
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They didn't "lose" him, they told him to fuck off lol
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They couldn't afford him
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It's not like jobbing and putting a guy over when you leave a company, especially for the competition, is some crazy, unprecedented thing. Paul Heyman wanted to bury Mike Awesome when he left for WCW as ECW champion. And Awesome did the job like a professional.
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and that is his problem how? At the end of the day you can see both sides of the story. Vince had no choice BUT to run the screwjob and it came out great, but come on, of course Bret was going to hold his ground. He'd taken enough of Vince and Shawn's bullshit up until that point.
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It's not like jobbing and putting a guy over when you leave a company, especially for the competition, is some crazy, unprecedented thing. Paul Heyman wanted to bury Mike Awesome when he left for WCW as ECW champion. And Awesome did the job like a professional.
You cannot fairly compare Awesome's run in ECW to Bret's run in WWF. Bret didn't even want to leave and deserved a decent send off. Apples and Oranges.
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I honestly feel like people forget that Vince is a straight up horrible cock of a dude lol.
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Bret Hart is an all time top ten. I may not be Canadian but I could see the America's Hat from Detroit. I don't blame him for being bitter. Shawn Michaels was being an idiot back then and he was all coked up and acting like a total douchebag. Plus he caught the gay back then but Jesus cured him.
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I honestly feel like people forget that Vince is a straight up horrible cock of a dude lol.
I acknowledged that HBK was a cock of a dude. Vince could have been as well. Pretty irrelevant though when it comes to just being professional and doing the job on your way out.

HBK has admitted he was an asshole at least. Bret still hasn't admitted that he was a ridiculous mark for himself for refusing to lose a scripted wrestling match in his hometown to someone he personally disliked.
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I acknowledged that HBK was a cock of a dude. Vince could have been as well. Pretty irrelevant though when it comes to just being professional and doing the job on your way out.

HBK has admitted he was an asshole at least. Bret still hasn't admitted that he was a ridiculous mark for himself for refusing to lose a scripted wrestling match in his hometown to someone he personally disliked.
Because Bret doesn't think he was wrong. It's really that simple lol. I don't know why it's so hard to understand that Bret just flat out doesn't think he was wrong, and will always be a mark for himself. I honestly see nothing wrong with it... it's just who he is. Wrestling is a business of shitheads, so I just don't see why he has to feel like he was wrong when he honestly just doesn't see it that way, there's not true code of honour to follow... simply a matter of opinion.
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and honestly he's over it, he's cool with Shawn and Vince, he just doesn't feel the need to be like "OMG I'M SO SORRY GUYS"
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Thoroughly enjoyed reading his book, especially as Bret was my favourite wrestler growing up, but found his admission of cheating multiple times on his wife pretty fucking disgusting.
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Old 09-30-2013, 07:56 AM   #65
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Thoroughly enjoyed reading his book, especially as Bret was my favourite wrestler growing up, but found his admission of cheating multiple times on his wife pretty fucking disgusting.
multiple times? More like thousands of times. hahaha
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Old 09-30-2013, 08:27 AM   #66
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Have you seen Bret's ex? Kind of a heffer.
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:36 AM   #67
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I read the book last year. Well, read isn't the correct word. More like devoured. I think it's probably the best wrestling autobiography, second to Foley's first book. It was a great read with a level of detail I've never seen attempted, let alone achieved. It's a must read for any fan of Hart or of the business in general.

That being said though, there's no bigger Bret Hart mark than Bret Hart.
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:49 PM   #68
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Old 09-30-2013, 07:18 PM   #69
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:14 AM   #70
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I'll give Bret props for including an awesome group caricature of like 50 legends of wrestling spanning the front and back inside covers. I'm not sure if Bret actually drew it, though.
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Because Bret doesn't think he was wrong. It's really that simple lol. I don't know why it's so hard to understand that Bret just flat out doesn't think he was wrong, and will always be a mark for himself. I honestly see nothing wrong with it... it's just who he is. Wrestling is a business of shitheads, so I just don't see why he has to feel like he was wrong when he honestly just doesn't see it that way, there's not true code of honour to follow... simply a matter of opinion.
But he is wrong.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:52 AM   #73
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I read the book last year. Well, read isn't the correct word. More like devoured. I think it's probably the best wrestling autobiography, second to Foley's first book. It was a great read with a level of detail I've never seen attempted, let alone achieved. It's a must read for any fan of Hart or of the business in general.

That being said though, there's no bigger Bret Hart mark than Bret Hart.
I'm willing to bet negro currency that Bret Hart still thinks about the Montreal screwjob every day to this day.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:56 AM   #74
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But he is wrong.
Please tell me how he is anymore wrong than Vince or Shawn. Especially since they were both the ones to apologize to him. I don't think any of them were right or wrong personally but Bret is entitled to see it his way.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:59 AM   #75
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I'm willing to bet negro currency that Bret Hart still thinks about the Montreal screwjob every day to this day.
And so what if he does? I don't understand why he's supposed to not care about something that means something to him. Especially when things happen to constantly remind you of it, and especially when your brother dies and you feel responsible because you weren't around to stop the stunt that killed him.

When traumatic experiences happen to people, they think about it. Bret OBVIOUSLY takes himself and wrestling quite seriously, and what happened in Montreal is something that deeply effected him. I bet there's something that happened to you and everyone here in their life that effects them every day, and if reporters kept asking YOU about a defining moment in your life, you'd probably talk about it.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:15 AM   #76
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if reporters kept asking YOU about a defining moment in your life, you'd probably talk about it.
That's the thing though........more times than not, he chooses to proactively bash other wrestlers over events that happened 10-15 years ago.

His attacks on Triple H, Ric Flair, Hogan, Bischoff, etc., are all proactive in nature. Often times, reporters do not even have to ask him a question.

Yes - Bret was screwed, and he experienced an unbelievable family tragedy, but he does himself no favors by continuously bringing it up and attacking others.

Bret is and was a tremendous wrestler, but he is a highly bitter, petty, and egotistical.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:54 AM   #77
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In all fairness, his "shoot" on HHH had nothing to do with what happened 15 years ago. He said he thinks he's a "good" wrestler but not "great" which I think a lot of us (other than James Steele) can agree upon. He brought nothing up about the Montreal screwjob. He just said he doesn't think HHH is on his level, or Shawn's, or D Bry or Mysterio or whom ever else. This is a prevalent opinion amongst HHH's detractors and a matter of taste.

And as far as Flair, Hogan and Bischoff go, he genuinely thinks they are awful. Everything he says about these guys has been said before by many others, it's not like he's bringing this stuff out of the blue. He just says his opinions, he is unfiltered. And he often gets asked about them. I think it's tremendous and I get a big laugh out of it.

However in his book, he isn't one sided in how he berates or defames these guys. He made it clear that Hogan was the reason guys were putting food on the table, he credited Ric Flair for being technically very sound and fast paced (just thought he lacked psychology and was a bit of a dick) and in the book didn't even say too many bad things about Bisch, it's only popped up recently.

There's no doubt Bret is flawed, he is quite egotistical, but he does his utmost best to be objective, but sometimes you just don't like motherfuckers... really that simple.
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Please tell me how he is anymore wrong than Vince or Shawn.
Because Vince was doing what was best for his company and Shawn was doing what he was told to support that. Bret did what was best for Bret and his ego.

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Especially since they were both the ones to apologize to him. I don't think any of them were right or wrong personally but Bret is entitled to see it his way.
They apologized because they understand the impact it had on him and they've been willing to take the high road. And yeah, he's entitled to see it any way he likes, just as I'm entitled to believe he was a stubborn mark for himself who was the only party in that incident that could have avoided what happened without fucking the WWF.
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Old 10-06-2013, 06:19 PM   #79
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Because Vince was doing what was best for his company and Shawn was doing what he was told to support that. Bret did what was best for Bret and his ego.



They apologized because they understand the impact it had on him and they've been willing to take the high road. And yeah, he's entitled to see it any way he likes, just as I'm entitled to believe he was a stubborn mark for himself who was the only party in that incident that could have avoided what happened without fucking the WWF.
Keep in mind, Ric Flair who you defended as not a gigantic mark for himself, went to the WWF with the WCW title belt in toe.

You're entitled to see it how you want as well, but keep in mind, Vince also booked himself into that dilemma.
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Flair hadn't gotten his deposit back. Plus Flair offered to drop the title whenever. Jim Herd is just a retard.
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