State Your Case: Why do think TNA and WWE are good/bad?

**Vastardikai** · 01-05-2014, 03:01 PM

*grabs some popcorn for the tard-fight*

A counter point to the whole second and third generation thing: 80% of the time, the cream rises to the top. The better ones you don't even have to mention that their father was a star, except in passing. Folks like Randy Savage, Ted DiBiase Sr., Finlay, Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Barry Windham, Mr. Perfect. The Rock took a while to get there, but eventually did, and was one of the biggest of all time.

On the other hand, you had folks like David Flair, David Sammartino, Erik Watts, Kendall Windham, Greg Gagne, Brian Christopher, and to an extent Jeff Jarrett who were missing that one vital thing to push them to the next level, despite their parentage, and despite the numbers of chances given. In fact, there's stories that the only reason Greg Gagne wasn't given the AWA World Title, despite missing that one vital thing, was that the board threatened to walk out on Verne if he did.

Dustin Rhodes was actually fairly over in his own right in WCW. He was on the cusp, but wouldn't have hit that next level under his dad. So he became Goldust. Cody, on the other hand, is developing well, and stepping into his own as a worker. He may be bigger than his brother, or he may not. But he has the potential.

Randy, is going to be a fun one for me to discuss. This board knows damn well what I think of him. As for the person dismissing the role of Bob Orton Jr., I'll say this. The guy's dad played a role in the main event of Wrestlemania. The first one. The one that started the whole thing. If you don't think Vince would strap a rocket to him on that reason alone, you're a fool. He went on to do decent in an era where there wasn't really a need for him to be anything other than decent. If he came in during the territory era, or even 20 years ago, I don't think he'd have made it as far as he has. He'd have either gotten over himself quickly or been run out on the business.

01-05-2014, 03:01 PM	#11
Vastardikai Taller than Adam Cole Posts: 10,876	grabs some popcorn for the tard-fight A counter point to the whole second and third generation thing: 80% of the time, the cream rises to the top. The better ones you don't even have to mention that their father was a star, except in passing. Folks like Randy Savage, Ted DiBiase Sr., Finlay, Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Barry Windham, Mr. Perfect. The Rock took a while to get there, but eventually did, and was one of the biggest of all time. On the other hand, you had folks like David Flair, David Sammartino, Erik Watts, Kendall Windham, Greg Gagne, Brian Christopher, and to an extent Jeff Jarrett who were missing that one vital thing to push them to the next level, despite their parentage, and despite the numbers of chances given. In fact, there's stories that the only reason Greg Gagne wasn't given the AWA World Title, despite missing that one vital thing, was that the board threatened to walk out on Verne if he did. Dustin Rhodes was actually fairly over in his own right in WCW. He was on the cusp, but wouldn't have hit that next level under his dad. So he became Goldust. Cody, on the other hand, is developing well, and stepping into his own as a worker. He may be bigger than his brother, or he may not. But he has the potential. Randy, is going to be a fun one for me to discuss. This board knows damn well what I think of him. As for the person dismissing the role of Bob Orton Jr., I'll say this. The guy's dad played a role in the main event of Wrestlemania. The first one. The one that started the whole thing. If you don't think Vince would strap a rocket to him on that reason alone, you're a fool. He went on to do decent in an era where there wasn't really a need for him to be anything other than decent. If he came in during the territory era, or even 20 years ago, I don't think he'd have made it as far as he has. He'd have either gotten over himself quickly or been run out on the business.