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Old 01-27-2014, 02:15 PM   #41
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Love the buzz, yes. Thing is that we get all sorts of ideas of how the WWE can turn this into something great, only to have them leave everyone hanging with a crap payoff.

Right now I've got grand plans for the authority to line up with heel turn batista and basically pit the guys that are "the stereotype wressler" that they try to shove down the fans throats vs the IWC darlings culminating in a huge meta-match with a Bryan title win at Mania in front of a rabid, smarky crowd.

The way things have been going though, with what really comes off as rushed or lazy booking (unifying the title, Bryan join the Wyatts, the way Mania went last year) I have no faith that they will pull off anything great and will just stick to what's easy.

Hope for the best, expect the worst.
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You nailed it.

p.s._________In regards to Sheamus, the guy is bland and will never draw. Period. You can wrap a turd in silk and velvet but at the end of the day, it's still turd. Sheamus and Alberto Del Rios are bland, and the fans don't care about them all that much.
I agree to an extent.. Some people just shouldn't be faces (sheamus) but the rumble thread was full of excitement and cheer for sheamus' return, from the same people shitting all over him months ago. I actually like the guy.. I think he was a great heel.. Especially when he did the whole "I can kick anyone's ass" shtick when he debuted
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Old 01-27-2014, 02:17 PM   #43
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If I recall when Vince screwed Bret, he thought he was going to be the good guy in the eyes of the crowd. Sometimes things just fall into place intentionally or not.
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possibilities are worth talking about but you guys have all moved onto this Daniel bryan v batista scenario without a plausible way of getting the title off of Orton between now and then and shuffling him to the midcard.

For any scenario to work for a payoff Daniel Bray has to challenge for and Win the title at wrestlemania. Meaning sometime between now and then Batista will have to win the title off Orton. where?

Granted there's 69 days to figure it out but I don't see it. Mania plans are usually worked out prior to rumble and I don't see them straying because of one crowd in Pitt. Someone thinks Batista and Orton is the safe main event and he was brought in for a reason. hope i'm wrong
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It's hard to tell if they're trolling the fans. It'd be pretty awesome if they were... but they do so many things that suggest they don't have any idea what the hell they're doing so all you can really do is wait and see.
I pretty much agree with this.

I think they (WWE) are trolling the fans, but perhaps I am giving them too much credit.

I just can't fathom them being so f*** stupid.
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Where??

Anytime. It's wrestling. If they want to they come up with an excuse.
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Old 01-27-2014, 02:26 PM   #47
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I think all the "self-proclaimed #1 contender stuff" is gonna backfire on Heyman and Lesnar. Tonight they announce the participants for the Elimination Chamber match for the WWE title, and Lesnar isn't one of them.

Lesnar and Heyman are irate in the Authority's office. Lesnar is throwing furniture as Heyman is screaming Lesnar's accomplishments since returning two years ago (beating the longest reigning WWE Champion in the past 25 years, defeating Triple H on multiple occasions, destroying Big Show).

Steph said that the Authority was planning on giving Lesnar a title shot, but they cannot reward his behavior from the Rumble, as he unnecessarily hit the Big Show with a chair almost 40 times.

Heyman doesn't buy it, saying that Lesnar was never considered for a title shot because there is absolutely no respect for his client. Lesnar and Heyman storm out.

For the weeks leading into the Elimination Chamber, Lesnar and Heyman bully and destroy random talents, with Heyman saying "Does Brock Lesnar have respect yet?! Was that beatdown respectful enough?!" After maybe 2 weeks of doing this and still leading to not getting any respect, they come up with the ultimate plan for respect in their eyes.

Heyman explains that Brock Lesnar is jealous of not one man, except the Undertaker. Not for his ability, because Brock is superior, but because of the respect he commands within the entire WWE. Brock believes that if he dethrones the Undertaker, he will become the most respected entity in the WWE. An advertised part of the Elimination Chamber PPV becomes "Lesnar calls out the Undertaker," teasing Lesnar issuing the challenge for Mania.

At Chamber, Lesnar is in the ring with Heyman awaiting the Undertaker. As Taker is making his slow walk to the ring, Lesnar ambushes him, pulling his trench coat over Taker's head and nailing him with strikes, chair shots, etc. Taker is dismantled and completely destroyed and even embarrassed.

This gives Taker the motivation to return to Raw and make the match at Mania official as Lesnar tries to end his road to respect by ending the streak.
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and storyline wise orton wouldn't use his rematch clause for mania? trying to shift the main event now from to the guy whos the challenger and a guy not in it, all while getting the guy with the title out of the picture is pretty fuckin ambitious for a company who doesn't think outside the box
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Old 01-27-2014, 02:56 PM   #49
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I love how Gertner is so fucking smarmy about people being upset. And falls back to the "oh my assumptions could be amazing and they are going to make this out perfectly".

When has the WWE done something the "right way" and fooled fans in the last 10 years? Never. Why would you ever assume they would. What is more likely...

That this is all a huge long con by the WWE that will pay off like no angle in the history of the world

or

That they are once again playing against what the fans want or would be the most entertaining.

They arent trying to whip the fans into a frenzy, that is just happening due to their refusal to get behind the fans desire.

Im willing to bet every dime I have that Bryan ends up more like Zack Ryder than Chris Benoit when the curtain goes down at WM.
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Old 01-27-2014, 02:58 PM   #50
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Seriously, Bryan won the title at Summerslam, and now at the Royal Rumble was booked in the opening match that he lost, and the guy who beat him was elevated to a program with Cena. His long term Wyatt feud was shit canned because a basketball team chants YES. He has no running story other than tagging with Cena against the Wyatts. He has been removed from the title picture.

There is no plan here for him. They will continue to roll him out to get pops but they have no plan to turn this into anything.
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no plan?? he's going to wrestle sheamus at mania I mean come on, what better spot is there than holding dow the hillbilly jim 3rd match hole at mania against sheamus? lol
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If they were trolling the fans, Bad News Barrett should've been number 30 last night.
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This was not "shaking it up." Everybody predicted Batista to win and he won.
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Old 01-27-2014, 03:39 PM   #54
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This was not "shaking it up." Everybody predicted Batista to win and he won.
Unfortunately, you are correct in this regard.

However, I was talking more from the perspective of pushing your top guy in an entirely different way.

The WWE aren't stupid (KNOCK ON WOOD).

They know that Daniel Bryan is their #1 guy right now, and they know that Batista is an aging, past-his-prime, 44-45 year old.

However - how many times have we seen *insert number 1 babyface* win the Royal Rumble in dramatic fashion, and then go on to Wrestlemania to win the title?

Hogan, Austin, HBK, Batista, Benoit, Mysterio, etc., etc.

It just seems very formulaic does it not?

Daniel Bryan just might be a different beast altogether.

His whole appeal has been based on being an 'underdog overlooked' warrior that is being held down by the man. It's why he's so relatable. Everyone can relate to being "held down by the man."

In yester-year, we've seen top alpha-dogs such as Austin, The Rock, DX, and even John Cena get the better of Vince McMahon more times than not.

In this case however - we're seeing something different. Daniel Bryan is certainly NOT getting the better of "The Machine."


Long story short - lets see how this unfolds. I think the WWE will find a way to get the title on Daniel Bryan at this year's Mania'. I suspect that it has been their plan since last summer.

p.s._____________Jabba is right though. The WWE better not carry this out too much longer. If Bryan doesn't win the title at Mania, they will have missed the boat in my opinion.
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I love how Gertner is so fucking smarmy about people being upset. And falls back to the "oh my assumptions could be amazing and they are going to make this out perfectly".

When has the WWE done something the "right way" and fooled fans in the last 10 years? Never. Why would you ever assume they would. What is more likely...

That this is all a huge long con by the WWE that will pay off like no angle in the history of the world

or

That they are once again playing against what the fans want or would be the most entertaining.

They arent trying to whip the fans into a frenzy, that is just happening due to their refusal to get behind the fans desire.

Im willing to bet every dime I have that Bryan ends up more like Zack Ryder than Chris Benoit when the curtain goes down at WM.
Lol christ, I made fun of people jumping off a fucking cliff, and later said this could go two ways: a disaster or the biggest thing in over a decade. Tell me what's so ridiculous or hypocritical about what I said.
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Old 01-27-2014, 04:35 PM   #56
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Easiest way to go about this: Lesnar faces Orton and loses due to Taker interference, brakes off into his feud. Bryan comes out during February demanding to be put in the main event. HHH stacks the deck saying "you have one shot, if you beat the Shield in a handicap match". Bryan goes over at the Feb ppv due to something like Reigns spearing Ambrose by accident. The Shield implodes and bam they have their match at Wrestlemania. Cena does his thing with Wyatt, HHH does his thing with Punk and your main event features two former associates of HHH being Batista and Orton in a triple threat with Bryan. The Authority has stacked the deck once again. Bryan wins at Wrestlemania.

So your card goes

Batista/Bryan/Orton for the WWE World Title
Taker Vs Lesnar
Cena vs Wyatt
Cody vs Goldust
HHH vs Punk
You could do Usos vs NAO
You have Sheamus back who always has good matches. Throw him against Ryback, former bully vs current bully
Ambrose vs Reigns vs Rollins for the U.S
Langston vs Henry for the IC
AJ vs Naomi

And you still have guys like Del Rio, Ziggler, Sandow to do something with.

I would pay for the PPV. Fresh matches, interesting storylines going in, some unpredictability.
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You know, "the different beast" might be a great nickname for him. Because he really is. The man can't be buried. He's been put through things that would have destroyed the careers of many others, and he stole the show in a losing effort. I want to impress this: HE WAS THE STAR OF A ROYAL RUMBLE MATCH IN WHICH HE DID NOT EVEN APPEAR. That is absolute magic. People all over the world are emulating his simplistic catch phrase and motions. "YES YES YES" - the thing, by the way, that initially turned him heel - is currently the biggest wrestling tag line since "Austin 3:16." And he came from ROH for fuck's sake. A man, a chant, and a beard.
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Old 01-27-2014, 06:20 PM   #59
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what things has he been put through that would have destroyed the careers of many others?
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what things has he been put through that would have destroyed the careers of many others?
I think this is what he was implying...

Firing him.
Constant poor writing and booking, push/de-push.
Having him job to an uninteresting, non-entertaining, uncharismatic, pale, Irish guy, losing his World title on the "biggest" show of the year in an 18 second "match".
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Now I haven't watched for pretty much all of Daniel Bryan's "rise", the last I saw of him properly was when he was teaming with Kane I think, but it seems that the majority of his "overness" stems from the WWE not using him, building up the fans frustrations. Basically the same as Ziggler and Ryder were for a while, although he's obviously more over than Ryder was.

So I'd say yes, if they eventually do give him that "big win" they've played a blinder in getting him to this level.
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:50 PM   #62
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But what many of us are saying is that it absolutely was not intentional. We are in a circumstantial situation now where fans are chomping at the bit for Bryan to be in the main event but it was in no way some strategic ploy by the WWE to do so. They have gone out of their way to downplay his popularity and to get people to think what they want them to think and none of it worked. When people act like we are all idiots and Triple H is implementing some master plan, that just isn't true. Everything they did put together this situation where there could be major potential for a Bryan run, but it was an unintended byproduct of their complete and utter ineptitude regarding the fan's evaluation of talent. They can turn this around, but they will have to reevaluate their system for how they book their shows or this is a complete disaster. So far, they haven't shown they are able to do that.
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this whole thing started with them paying attention to the audience when he first really started getting over as a singles babyface in the middle of last year. He then went on to defeat John Cena clean as a whistle (which is huge), one of what, maybe 3-4 guys to do that in the last 10 years? The proverbial tease. And ever since then it's basically been fuck job after fuck job to keep him away from the belt. I'm not necessarily saying that this is the exact route they chose to take but I think to say that they basically lucked into the entire thing/his current legit superstar reaction, whilst essentially trying to hold him down is pretty short-sighted. At least until "the whole thing has played out".
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So we're going with the ever popular "Let's just see where they go with this, guys" stance?

Last night was inexcusable. I think if you asked them whether they would've had Batista cheered or booed out of the building after his victory, they would've probably wanted a favorable reaction. The end of the rumble was absolutely ruined because of their ineptitude regarding Bryan. If I was anybody in the locker room, I would've been really angry at them for making such a horrible booking mistake. I mean, Rey and Batista were completely shit all over for something that wasn't even close to their fault, and it happened because of bad booking decisions. And clearly obvious bad booking decisions. Bryan has the potential to be uber over now if they run with it, but it came at the cost of ruining the Royal Rumble. And it isn't just the smarks that are unhappy, you can look at the poll they had on facebook.

Bryan didn't need to win the Rumble. But leaving him out and creating this shitstorm looks so awful on them right now. The guy they are pushing as their big babyface got booed out of the building. That is a problem.
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Shouldn't he have had this promo last week?
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And no. They do not get credit for writing 1/4 of an incredible story and then replacing the pages of the other 3/4 of the book with camel shit. That isn't how things work.
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So we're going with the ever popular "Let's just see where they go with this, guys" stance?

Last night was inexcusable. I think if you asked them whether they would've had Batista cheered or booed out of the building after his victory, they would've probably wanted a favorable reaction. The end of the rumble was absolutely ruined because of their ineptitude regarding Bryan. If I was anybody in the locker room, I would've been really angry at them for making such a horrible booking mistake. I mean, Rey and Batista were completely shit all over for something that wasn't even close to their fault, and it happened because of bad booking decisions. And clearly obvious bad booking decisions. Bryan has the potential to be uber over now if they run with it, but it came at the cost of ruining the Royal Rumble. And it isn't just the smarks that are unhappy, you can look at the poll they had on facebook.

Bryan didn't need to win the Rumble. But leaving him out and creating this shitstorm looks so awful on them right now. The guy they are pushing as their big babyface got booed out of the building. That is a problem.
You don't get to see the Mona Lisa in different stages. You see the whole thing right away and judge it. People don't get to complain that the woman is fat or ugly as Da Vinci paints. You only see the complete painting and then judge that.

You have to wait for the complete piece in order to judge properly. You have to judge it weekly because of your podcast and that is a determent to your enjoyment.

You have no frame of mind that was ever going to "see how it goes" you've been hyper-critical of the story-line since SummerSlam. If you gave it an actual chance to see how it goes you could have a right to complain about it not going right. It was never going to go right in your frame of mind so shut the fuck up.
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So we're going with the ever popular "Let's just see where they go with this, guys" stance?
that should pretty much be the eternal stance with pro wrestling. And even if not, people throwing their toys out of the pram when they don't get what they want or expect is hardly a better stance to take. Given his current huge popularity, his un-rivaled reactions and so forth, is the whole thing not worth it if he winds up having "his moment" at either of the next 2-3 PPV's? As long as his popularity continues to rise and they're actively acknowledging it, I don't see what there is to bitch about other than a bunch of people thinking they know better. If in a years time he's nowhere, he's working the midcard to average reactions having never gotten his shot, fair enough. Tear WWE to pieces for missing the boat entirely. But anything else until then is pretty much redundant. I've been "around" the internet for like 12 years now and it honestly still boggles my mind.
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People weren't charged 40 dollars to see the preliminary sketches of the Mona Lisa.
there are also other things on show in the museum. Not to mention that a pretty large portion of those bitching probably didn't pay $40.
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This isn't just about Bryan. They are seriously burying other people because of their horrible decisions. It isn't all that fair to guys like Bats/Rey when awful booking decisions like this are made and ruin their reactions as well.
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People weren't charged 40 dollars to see the preliminary sketches of the Mona Lisa.
The Mona Lisa wasn't advertised to be at the museum.
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This isn't just about Bryan. They are seriously burying other people because of their horrible decisions. It isn't all that fair to guys like Bats/Rey when awful booking decisions like this are made and ruin their reactions as well.
This I agree with. You're mostly in the right. It just blows my mind that they are so stupid, but it really shouldn't, since they consistently prove how stupid they are.
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I'm kind of surprised that there are still people that think WWE is "booking Daniel Bryan perfectly." I bought into the wait and see thing after Summerslam, and even after Night of Champions and Hell in a Cell, but at this point it's just ridiculous.

WWE is trying to do what they always do: they're going with the main event they think they should go with (the big, marketable, "superstar look" guys in Orton and Batista). They're going with the chosen child (Orton) and the superstar from years ago who has a big movie coming out. And that's what they're going to do. There's nothing we can do to stop it. It's just like WrestleMania 25. Triple H versus Orton probably wasn't the best choice for their "25th anniversary" show. But it's what they went with. They haven't taken a "risk" with their WrestleMania main event since WrestleMania 20 when they let a guy who "shouldn't be in the main event of the biggest show of the year" win the thing.

Vince knows what he wants. He wants Batista verus Orton - the movie star versus the perfect embodiment of what a WWE superstar should wrestle and look like. And nothing is going to change that. He's far too stubborn to consider anything else. The WWE universe doesn't know what it wants. They want what he tells them to want. It's always been that way and it will always be that way.

They opened RAW tonight with Daniel Bryan because they had to - after all of the social media attention that Bryan's exclusion from the Rumble got, they had to bring it out and talk about it or risk it gaining even more momentum.

But look at what happened on RAW. That show was not about Daniel Bryan rising up. They are merely using his level of popularity to get other things over. Having Bryan stand up against the Authority gets the Authority more over as heels. Having him go up against the Shield gets Roman Reigns, another guy they want to push, more over as a superstar. Having him team with Sheamus and John Cena in the main event gets them more over as faces just by association and by teaming with him in their main event. But it's not about Bryan. They're using his fire to warm others. But he'll never be the main flame.

Just wait. Nothing will change. Orton will win the Rumble by the skin of his teeth, probably after Sheamus turns heel, joins the Authority and screws Bryan out of a victory, building up their eventual match at Mania.

And we will have Randy Orton versus Batista in the main event for the WWE World Heavyweight Title. And the match will be slow and plodding and un-fitting for the 30th WrestleMania, and Batista will win the thing, and fireworks will go off and confetti will rain from the rafters, and the next night on RAW they will be able to tout that Dave Batista, star of one of the next phase movies in the Avengers series, is their champion.

And Daniel Bryan will continue to put on the best matches on the card, regardless of his opponent, and the fans will continue to watch, and maybe in the summer they'll finally give him his push to the World Title, but it will be far too late.
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Gertner, I think you and me would be an amazing booking team. Throw in Jabba and ABT or a few of the other lads, with some actual former pro wrestlers to beat us up and show us the ropes, bet you we'd book some shit hot tv.
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I'm a little disappointed that Gertner seems to have softened a bit on his stance that Bryan absolutely should not be main eventing for the world title.
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