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Old 02-28-2014, 09:18 AM   #41
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:25 AM   #42
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They only derail matches when they are the same old shit they shove down the fans throat.

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Explain Wyatt vs Reigns? Exactly. Now pull your pants down and present your asshole to me.
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The Wyatt/Reigns match was put out way too quickly, and it was still a "part of a team vs part of a team" match, that anyone could guess was going to end in interference.
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:38 AM   #43
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Finguts and Gertner,

You guys both makes excellent points, but here is why I do relate to CM Punk on some level:

While I agree with Fignuts that Punk has been given a lot and it probably was wrong of him to walk out, the fact of the matter is that he's an independent contractor; not an employee. He is free to do what he wants, and if he's saved enough money, then he can come and leave as he chooses.......especially when the WWE themselves have a tendency to treat their "employees" like chess pieces.

I also suspect that CM Punk isn't particularly upset over not being in the main-event. He has gone on record saying that this is Bryan's year. Punk seems to be upset over the fact that certain part-time wrestlers do not nothing for years on end, and then suddenly come back around the Rumble and end up main-eventing Mania'.

Punk doesn't have issues with guys like Taker, Triple H, and Brock (yet), but appears to resent how they've used Batista.

I honestly don't blame Punk one bit here.
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:58 AM   #44
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the only message they can send is halfway through the show is stage a crowd walkout. No way they could be organized enough to pull it off but thats the only avenue. chanting cm punk all night is gonna fall on deaf ears when they paid to do it. watching raw from a 70% empty arena would come across weird enough on TV that notice would get taken
There is 0 chance of that happening. At the end of the day we're all marks to one degree or another.

The guys in the stands chanting for Punk will be there til the very last second just in case he does make a return. Imagine being the guy that missed Punk's big return in Chicago cos you were trying to make a statement about him walking out/not being used right. You'd be like those guys that leave a sports match to beat the traffic with their team down only for them to make a miraculous comeback...and you walked away from that moment.
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Old 02-28-2014, 10:00 AM   #45
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I think this is the thing here: If WWE goes after Punk on this issue, it could easily give Punk the ability to pull a Raven. And he wouldn't be outside the statute of limitations, like Raven was.
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:38 AM   #46
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Explain Wyatt vs Reigns? Exactly. Now pull your pants down and present your asshole to me.
STD hears what he wants to hear. That Wyatt vs Reigns crowd was white hot and Ryback never got more than crickets until the audience felt guilty.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:05 PM   #47
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I wish I was at a show where people staged a walkout, I'd get up out of my seat and take front row on and soak it all in.

Do I agree with everything they are doing? No, never had, but I can't invest any hate into something I make time to enjoy in this time of my life. I know Batista is not deserving of his "spot", but we haven't even made it to Wrestlemania yet and people are shooting their dicks off already. If the show is poop then by all means, crap all over it.

I've been to a fair share of RAWs to know that a full arena walkout is near to impossible. Not everyone is there for workrate and all that crap. I'm optimistic that a new era similar to the extreme/attitude era will come about again. I went to WCW when the WWF was at a low, TNA is a wannabe alternative with good wrestling, but no sense of staying with storylines. Something extraordinary is needed for them to pull anyone away from the WWE, I think that is why they are trying everything out.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:23 PM   #48
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WWE has the fans over a barrel on the Batista issue: We booed him, so they turned him heel. Now our boos suddenly make sense, and Dave is seen as "uber over" in his role.


I continually refer back to this Vince McMahon quote: "Cheer me if you want. Boo me if you must. But don't just sit there quietly."
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:40 PM   #49
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It was pretty late in the 3 hour card and they were tired?
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:56 PM   #50
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If the product was better thought out and engaging, these things wouldn't happen and if they ever did, wouldn't be a problem. The reason why good matches get shit on is because the rest of the product sucks, and the company is out of touch with what reaches the people.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:59 PM   #51
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I honestly don't blame Punk one bit here.
Like if I was in Punk's position, why wouldn't I be thinking to myself,

"Well ok, I'm a pretty big star. I've busted my ass the last few years and guys like Rocky and Batista just waltz in and are in the main-event. Rocky might be justifiable since he was one of the biggest stars of all-time, but Batista? Why don't *I* just do what Batista did? Sit at home. Rest, recouperate, and then come back when the time is right for a huge Wrestlemania payoff. It's the American way. It's the WWE way. Why should I bust my butt for years' on end only to have part-time guys take over the main-event? Why don't I be like that?"
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:05 PM   #52
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If the product was better thought out and engaging, these things wouldn't happen and if they ever did, wouldn't be a problem. The reason why good matches get shit on is because the rest of the product sucks, and the company is out of touch with what reaches the people.
I agree to a large extent.

I don't think the product sucks too much, but this current 'Authority/Bryan' angle/storyline is quite possibly the most intriguing thing that the WWE has done in over 10 years.

At the same time, the WWE hasn't had this many promising young stars ready to ascend to the next level since 1997 and 2003.

I'd like to think that the WWE has some kind of plan in place to do the obvious thing, but it's tough to say how they're thinking right now?

Either they are trying very hard to be as realistic as possible while keeping the smarks and IWC guessing, or they truly are extremely retarded and out of touch.

These next few months will be very telling............and could be one of the most crucial months in WWE history.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:26 PM   #53
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I honestly don't blame Punk one bit here.
Neither do I. I don't understand the "he should have honored his contract" stance at all. He's not guaranteed that money. He's also not guaranteed to work every show or get PPV payoffs. If Vince saw it necessary, he could release any wrestler, including Punk, and send them on their way. It works both ways, though. If Punk doesn't like where he, as a character, or the company is going, he has the right to walk out. Just like Austin did. Just like any of the guys on the roster do.

As far as the upcoming Chicago crowd goes, I hope they don't shit on everything. Really, outside of Batista, everyone else on the roster deserves better than to have their segments/matches hijacked. Hell, I even feel bad for Batista. It's not like he held the WWE for ransom, demanding a title shot upon returning. It was a decision made by Vince, Triple H and co.. If anyone should be getting shit on and their segments hijacked, it should be Triple H. Bats is unfortunately getting the brunt of it more so for what he represents than anything he's actually responsible for.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:11 PM   #54
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Can is IWC get off Punk's dick for a second and think about something here...

Punk left the company after he was set up for a match at WrestleMania and after a PPV payday. Was Punk over? Yea. Would a random return for Punk cause a huge pop? Of course. Is it completely WWE's fault that CM Punk didn't like how things were going so Punk took his ball like a spoiled child and went home? No.

CM Punk left WWE. WWE has reached out to Punk. Punk has put up a proverbial iron curtain because he is a douche.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:13 PM   #55
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He knows they will lie to him tell him things will be better and push guys like Daniel Bryan and he'll come back and then nothing will change. He's been given the runaround before and nothing changed.

He didn't just leave because he didn't like his spot in the company which is different than Austin. Austin left because of one match with Brock where he didn't want to go over with no build.
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Can is IWC get off Punk's dick for a second and think about something here...

Punk left the company after he was set up for a match at WrestleMania and after a PPV payday. Was Punk over? Yea. Would a random return for Punk cause a huge pop? Of course. Is it completely WWE's fault that CM Punk didn't like how things were going so Punk took his ball like a spoiled child and went home? No.

CM Punk left WWE. WWE has reached out to Punk. Punk has put up a proverbial iron curtain because he is a douche.
Put yourself in Punk's shoes:

You've busted your ass for years' on end gunning to be the top guy in the company, and then all of a sudden, some gay washed up 45 year old shows up after a 4 year absence and is gifted the main-event spot at Mania'...........not only at the expense of yourself, but possibly at the expense of one of your best friends' in Daniel Bryan.

In my mind, I would be thinking, "Why should I continue to bust my ass? Why not do what Batista did? Sit out, rest, and then around January of 2015 or 2016 sometime, send out a feeler to the WWE. Get back in the company - have a huge Wrestlemania match - get a big payoff - and then go back to doing dick all for the rest of the year.

If the WWE rewards this kind of stuff, and slaps the faces of everyone else that has busted their butts for an entire year, then why shouldn't I just be like Batista, Lesnar, Taker, Rocky, and Hunter?
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I think the whole situation is beautiful, to be honest. The fans appreciate people that absolutely love and have a passion for the business. They can tell the difference between someone that loves what this is and somebody that wants a paycheck. The WWE can undermine their hardcore fanship in hopes of getting more casual eyes on the product all they want, but that doesn't mean that everybody has to be happy and just accept whatever they are given. It's honestly poetic justice.

Once again, they aren't necessarily in the wrong for wanting more money at the expense of hardcore fans, but there is a price to pay for everything.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:32 PM   #58
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You are shitting all over avid viewers of your product when you make 90% of what happened during the year not matter going into the biggest show of the year. You want to see people you've taken a journey with. Having all of these part time guys have the biggest spots at mania is basically saying "None of what you invested in matters at all in the slightest. We are going to do what we want."
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I think Bryan is primed for a 2-3 match set at Wrestlemania, I just feel like that.

The CM Punk situation will either die completely build-wise after RAW or he'll come back Monday.

If it is indeed Orton vs Batista then by all means I will help you all out and shit on it with you
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Wouldn't this be the best segment in WWE history?............or close to it:

On RAW is Chicago - Triple H accepts Daniel Bryan's challenge with the following caveat: The match won't take place at Wrestlemania since HHH doesn't respect Bryan enough............the match will take place TONIGHT. Triple H wants to put an end to the non-sense.

If Triple H wins - Daniel Bryan doesn't get a title shot for 2 years. If Bryan wins, he gets inserted into the triple threat match.

At the end of RAW - Bryan/HHH have their match. During match, Kane tries to interfere............but then CM PUNK'S MUSIC HITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Punk comes out, nails Kane, nails Triple H, and Bryan hits his finisher on HHH for the 1..................2..........................3.

At Mania', Punk goes against Hunter, while Bryan goes against Orton and Batista.

Think that would go over pretty well?
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Even if Bryan gets his moment, was it really worth all of this? I mean jesus.

Jabba's "little Timmy" analogy is quite perfect.

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Wouldn't this be the best segment in WWE history?............or close to it:

On RAW is Chicago - Triple H accepts Daniel Bryan's challenge with the following caveat: The match won't take place at Wrestlemania since HHH doesn't respect Bryan enough............the match will take place TONIGHT. Triple H wants to put an end to the non-sense.

If Triple H wins - Daniel Bryan doesn't get a title shot for 2 years. If Bryan wins, he gets inserted into the triple threat match.

At the end of RAW - Bryan/HHH have their match. During match, Kane tries to interfere............but then CM PUNK'S MUSIC HITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Punk comes out, nails Kane, nails Triple H, and Bryan hits his finisher on HHH for the 1..................2..........................3.

At Mania', Punk goes against Hunter, while Bryan goes against Orton and Batista.

Think that would go over pretty well?
I'd be down with that. My optimistic self is holding out for a change to the main event. That would be a changing of the guard if Bryan beat Orton/Batista. There's plenty of time for this to happen.

I'll consider Orton/Batista 1v1 just Rock/Cena part 3 and not take it seriously.
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Honestly. This situation is akin to if you worked for an office and at the end of every year the top employees were invited to some exclusive all-expenses-paid corporate party in San Diego or something. You work the entire year, get the highest performance marks, are constantly praised by all of your other employees for being the best, and get employee of the day for 400 something days in a row... But then instead of getting the invitation at the end of the year, they give it instead to a seasonal employee who is completely ill-prepared for the job and is best friends with your boss.

Technically, they can do whatever they want and invite whoever they want. But it is a rather shitty thing to do. Not only that, but it can't really even be justified from a performance standpoint.
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Or, maybe more so. You get invited but the seasonal employee gets exponentially better accommodations and stays in the presidential suite.
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Even if Bryan gets his moment, was it really worth all of this? I mean jesus.

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Wouldn't this be the best segment in WWE history?............or close to it:

On RAW is Chicago - Triple H accepts Daniel Bryan's challenge with the following caveat: The match won't take place at Wrestlemania since HHH doesn't respect Bryan enough............the match will take place TONIGHT. Triple H wants to put an end to the non-sense.

If Triple H wins - Daniel Bryan doesn't get a title shot for 2 years. If Bryan wins, he gets inserted into the triple threat match.

At the end of RAW - Bryan/HHH have their match. During match, Kane tries to interfere............but then CM PUNK'S MUSIC HITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Punk comes out, nails Kane, nails Triple H, and Bryan hits his finisher on HHH for the 1..................2..........................3.

At Mania', Punk goes against Hunter, while Bryan goes against Orton and Batista.

Think that would go over pretty well?
I'd be happy with that.

Although you're working on the assumption that Punk would be happy with that; that his gripe is that guys who bust their ass all year round and are over like rover (Daniel Bryan) are being bumped for guys like Batista. I'm firmly behind Punk if he's going to bat for D-Bry, not so much if he's just working himself into the Main Event.

Don't forget, reports suggest that Punk wasn't happy with a match vs. HHH at Mania and that in part lead to be walk out. Would he come back to have that match on the understanding that Bryan goes into the ME?
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To be real, I didn't fault Rocks part-timeness because it made great business sense and it was a match we'd never thought we'd see. Cool. They did two, that was more than enough.

Batista coming back for one Raw, then winning the rumble, when DB was that white hot was a bit of a head scratcher. Bats is no Rock, not even close. But hey, whatever.

I don't even care anymore.

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I think the whole situation is beautiful, to be honest. The fans appreciate people that absolutely love and have a passion for the business. They can tell the difference between someone that loves what this is and somebody that wants a paycheck. The WWE can undermine their hardcore fanship in hopes of getting more casual eyes on the product all they want, but that doesn't mean that everybody has to be happy and just accept whatever they are given. It's honestly poetic justice.

Once again, they aren't necessarily in the wrong for wanting more money at the expense of hardcore fans, but there is a price to pay for everything.
Lol and how can you tell who has a passion? It's a bunch of whiny fags purposely going to the show with the sole purpose of ruining it for everyone else.
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Kinda hope they troll the crowd by playing Punk's music only to have Barrett rise up on his podium to deliver some baaaaad neeeeeeeeewwwws.
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Chanting husky harris accomplishes nothing. Fans actually dig the angle and are only trying to chant it to get themselves over.
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Wouldn't this be the best segment in WWE history?............or close to it:

On RAW is Chicago - Triple H accepts Daniel Bryan's challenge with the following caveat: The match won't take place at Wrestlemania since HHH doesn't respect Bryan enough............the match will take place TONIGHT. Triple H wants to put an end to the non-sense.

If Triple H wins - Daniel Bryan doesn't get a title shot for 2 years. If Bryan wins, he gets inserted into the triple threat match.

At the end of RAW - Bryan/HHH have their match. During match, Kane tries to interfere............but then CM PUNK'S MUSIC HITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Punk comes out, nails Kane, nails Triple H, and Bryan hits his finisher on HHH for the 1..................2..........................3.

At Mania', Punk goes against Hunter, while Bryan goes against Orton and Batista.

Think that would go over pretty well?
The best thing for Bryan is for him to beat HHH clean and have HHH shake is hand after.
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Kinda hope they troll the crowd by playing Punk's music only to have Barrett rise up on his podium to deliver some baaaaad neeeeeeeeewwwws.
That would be evil as fuck. I like that

That tweet he posted around the time he left suggests he was legit about leaving. He usually posted in his gimmick format of not caring/comics
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The biggest flub in the Daniel Bryan storyline was him not winning at "Hell in a cell" even if they wanted to do Cena vs Orton @ TLC, DB should have won at HAIC then lost at SS in a triple threat with orton and show. Wyatts could have interfered setting up that feud.
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Kinda hope they troll the crowd by playing Punk's music only to have Barrett rise up on his podium to deliver some baaaaad neeeeeeeeewwwws.
kinda like when hbk had bret's music play when they were in montreal several years back. its on youtube somewhere
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Lol and how can you tell who has a passion? It's a bunch of whiny fags purposely going to the show with the sole purpose of ruining it for everyone else.
I'm not going to take you seriously if you continue with your "lol everyone is a fag" troll mode. You sure are an odd guy sometimes. Lots of people aren't happy with the business right now and it isn't unreasonable for people to let them know about it. It was kind of nuts for them to ignore everybody in the first place, to be honest. And now they have a situation on their hands. This was such an avoidable calamity. They chose to caiter to casuals and that's fine really, but it doesn't come without consequences. They had to have known there was going to be at least SOME backlash for the Batista rumble thing and if they didn't, they aren't paying attention. They will probably make a bit more money for doing what they did, but now they have lots of angry fans to deal with. That's what they chose and now they have to deal with it.
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If you "hate watching WWE anymore" then why are you still doing it? Take your own advice and don't add to their profit by watching their product and boosting their ratings. I agree with you that they'd be better off just not buying tickets or not watching RAW if they really wanted to make a difference, but if you're that disgusted by them chanting "CM PUNK" then you could just do the same. Besides, they paid for their ticket it's their right to chant whatever they want to.
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Lol and how can you tell who has a passion? It's a bunch of whiny fags purposely going to the show with the sole purpose of ruining it for everyone else.
Ruining it for everyone else or ruining it for you? Those chants get going through huge sections of the arenas, man. Fact is a lot of fans loved Punk and want him back. Just because you don't doesn't mean that they should shut up. Oh and those chants aren't just from "whiny fags" or "30 year old virgins". Listen to them and look at the crowds and you'll see that their are plenty of people joining in besides the IWC. Besides, if you can't ignore them and enjoy the show for yourself then you honestly are the whiny one. Don't like the product? Don't tune in. I mean that's what you're telling them to do isn't it Gerty?
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