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Old 02-28-2014, 10:32 PM   #81
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It was pretty late in the 3 hour card and they were tired?
I guess that would explain why no matches late in a PPV ever have hot crowds.

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Old 02-28-2014, 10:54 PM   #82
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Here's why I have zero problem with Batista in the main event: Heel Batista is far and away the best heel in the company and probably the best heel in a decade. He's a better heel than Punk and his heel character is better than Punk as a face. He's also wrestling pretty much a full time schedule including the house show circuit.
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Old 02-28-2014, 10:56 PM   #83
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I'm not going to take you seriously if you continue with your "lol everyone is a fag" troll mode. You sure are an odd guy sometimes. Lots of people aren't happy with the business right now and it isn't unreasonable for people to let them know about it. It was kind of nuts for them to ignore everybody in the first place, to be honest. And now they have a situation on their hands. This was such an avoidable calamity. They chose to caiter to casuals and that's fine really, but it doesn't come without consequences. They had to have known there was going to be at least SOME backlash for the Batista rumble thing and if they didn't, they aren't paying attention. They will probably make a bit more money for doing what they did, but now they have lots of angry fans to deal with. That's what they chose and now they have to deal with it.
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Old 02-28-2014, 10:56 PM   #84
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Technically, they can do whatever they want and invite whoever they want. But it is a rather shitty thing to do. Not only that, but it can't really even be justified from a performance standpoint.
It's pretty stupid to bitch and moan about the "top performer" from an in-ring standpoint getting a certain spot on the card though. There is no "he's earned it" in wrestling. There's only what's gonna make people tune in. If you're the "best performer" in the business (assuming your definition of "best performer" is putting on the best technical matches and not drawing people to tune in for any reason at all) but the company decides your appeal to the casual fan is limited, YOU HAVEN'T EARNED IT. There's a spot on the card for you. Your ability to put on great matches in valuable. Marks are gonna watch you compete and enjoy your matches and if the booking is right and the casual fan is invested in a build, they're gonna enjoy them too. You're qualified for all of those needs. None of that instantly makes you qualified to hold the title and be on top in the script.

Now maybe they fucked up and overestimated how much people would love Batista and his effect of bringing in the casual viewer. That doesn't justify anyone else deserving the spot. That just means they fucked up with him.
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:04 PM   #85
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Here's why I have zero problem with Batista in the main event: Heel Batista is far and away the best heel in the company and probably the best heel in a decade. He's a better heel than Punk and his heel character is better than Punk as a face. He's also wrestling pretty much a full time schedule including the house show circuit.
Do you mean specifically this main event? Because I definitely have a problem with him being in this main event. Mainly because he's challenging a guy who is also a heel... in the main event of WrestleMania. Leaving literally no one for marks OR casual fans to root for.
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I truly believe Bryan is going in.

There's no friggen way they'd end Wrestlemania with a heel vs heel matchup.
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:45 PM   #87
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It's pretty stupid to bitch and moan about the "top performer" from an in-ring standpoint getting a certain spot on the card though. There is no "he's earned it" in wrestling. There's only what's gonna make people tune in. If you're the "best performer" in the business (assuming your definition of "best performer" is putting on the best technical matches and not drawing people to tune in for any reason at all) but the company decides your appeal to the casual fan is limited, YOU HAVEN'T EARNED IT. There's a spot on the card for you. Your ability to put on great matches in valuable. Marks are gonna watch you compete and enjoy your matches and if the booking is right and the casual fan is invested in a build, they're gonna enjoy them too. You're qualified for all of those needs. None of that instantly makes you qualified to hold the title and be on top in the script.

Now maybe they fucked up and underestimated how much people would love Batista and his effect of bringing in the casual viewer. That doesn't justify anyone else deserving the spot. That just means they fucked up with him.

This is what they don't get. If it were up the group chanting at Raw thered be no Cena, Batista, Orton, Sheamus and NOBODY WOULD WATCH!!!!

Complain about Batista all you want, but his return did a 3.5 rating, higher than post Rumble, higher than Hogan, Taker return, and I'm guessing the highest rating since Raw post Wrestlemania.
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I truly believe Bryan is going in.

There's no friggen way they'd end Wrestlemania with a heel vs heel matchup.
I don't think Bryan's going in after how he made him vs. Triple H come off as THE match everyone really wants.

I honestly think, as crazy as it sounds, they might turn Orton face.
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I was thinking about that watching Smackdown tonight as well.
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Here's why I have zero problem with Batista in the main event: Heel Batista is far and away the best heel in the company and probably the best heel in a decade. He's a better heel than Punk and his heel character is better than Punk as a face. He's also wrestling pretty much a full time schedule including the house show circuit.
I completely agree with this.

Hence - why I believe we'll ultimately see Daniel Bryan in the main-event.

Orton by himself, won't be a strong enough face even if the WWE somehow tries to position him that way after all these months.
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I would be shocked if it wasn't Orton vs Batista vs Bryan.
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I feel like Batista is being shit on so much right now and is so good at being a douchebag that with the right booking they could make the crowd go from shitting on the match to shitting specifically on Batista and wanting so badly to see Mr. "Deal with it" lose that they actually get invested in the outcome of the match. I mean... it wasn't that long ago that Orton was over and getting the crowd hot for him while he was involved in nothing more than meaningless matches with guys like Jack Swagger. If they turn him face and have him stand across the ring as the only guy stopping Batista from going to Raw the next night and laughing in the crowd's face with the title held high above his head bragging, it COULD work.

But like I said, it would take good, meticulous booking from here to WrestleMania to make it work. I'm not sure they can do it.
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The first step would be trying to build Orton back up the best they can because the amount that he has jobbed over the past couple months is fucking retarded and doesn't make the guy feel like a champion.
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Based off Batista's promo on Smackdown he seems like he's going after Bryan. I like the idea of two heels fighting amoungst each other with Bryan going after both.
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This is so far off. Jesus Christ. If Bryan wins the belt at Wrestlemania I highly doubt that people will be like" awesome he won! But wait,I'm not happy how he was booked during Summerslam."

Nobody will care. Nobody.
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If you "hate watching WWE anymore" then why are you still doing it? Take your own advice and don't add to their profit by watching their product and boosting their ratings. I agree with you that they'd be better off just not buying tickets or not watching RAW if they really wanted to make a difference, but if you're that disgusted by them chanting "CM PUNK" then you could just do the same. Besides, they paid for their ticket it's their right to chant whatever they want to.
So it makes less sense than "the WWE sucks balls so I'm going to spend $100 on a ticket, plus parking and driving there just so I can bitch the entire time".
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Ruining it for everyone else or ruining it for you? Those chants get going through huge sections of the arenas, man. Fact is a lot of fans loved Punk and want him back. Just because you don't doesn't mean that they should shut up. Oh and those chants aren't just from "whiny fags" or "30 year old virgins". Listen to them and look at the crowds and you'll see that their are plenty of people joining in besides the IWC. Besides, if you can't ignore them and enjoy the show for yourself then you honestly are the whiny one. Don't like the product? Don't tune in. I mean that's what you're telling them to do isn't it Gerty?
Yes, God forbid I can watch Raw without dickheads chanting "Husky Harris".

I like the product, so you're so far off. But continue not listening my 400 pound friend.
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Who is Little Timmy in that analogy? Daniel Bryan the man, Daniel Bryan the character or Daniel Bryan's fans?

If it's his fans and you're saying "they'd be happy to finally get their wish of Bryan as champion (the bike) but wouldn't get over the emotional scarring of having to deal with watching their favorite wrestler lose in the months prior"... then lol.

If it's Bryan the man and you're saying "he'd be happy to finally get the title (the bike) but wouldn't get over the emotional scarring his wrestling character went through"... then lol.

If it's Bryan the character and you're saying "He'd be happy to win the title (bike) but wouldn't get over the emotional scarring of being screwed out of it all those months"... then that would be a hilarious angle. Honestly, Bryan being a mopey little bitch and coming out the next night on Raw with a frown, sitting down in the middle of the ring with the title while the crowd cheers him and just taking the mic and saying "I'm too hurt to enjoy this. I'm emotionally drained. I can't share your joy" would actually make me want to see him as champion.
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"Sorry guys, just can't get over not being in the Royal Rumble. I'm a sad panda".

Sometimes it doesn't matter how you get from Point A to Point B as long as you get there. Christ, Vince thought he was going to be a face after screwing Bret. The situation was a mess and it led to the biggest angle in history.
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smackdown provdes the answer, DB is going in the main event
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I wouldn't be THAT surprised if they put him in the match. But I have a feeling the confidence that some people still have that he's definitely going to be inserted into the match and not just getting his moment against Triple H is gonna provide some hilarious re-quote material in about 5 weeks.
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Old 03-01-2014, 06:27 AM   #103
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Batista is gonna to have the highest workrate at WM just you see. Then he's gonna change his name to "Main Event" Dave and will be in the main event of every event. Can't wait for that. Should make Bryan be his manager. After he shaves of course.
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Shave it!? I say he grows it out MORE and changes his name to Lt. Daniel Albano.
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kinda like when hbk had bret's music play when they were in montreal several years back. its on youtube somewhere
Exactly like that.

But the point of having Barrett do that is to draw the heat on to him rather than the crowd venting at the company and/or some other top face. This is what they should have done at the Rumble. Had Barrett come out as #30 with the baaaaaaad neeeeeeeewwwwws that Bryan wasn't even gonna be in the Rumble it'd have been far more effective than having perennial baby face Rey Mysterio getting shit on.

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"Sorry guys, just can't get over not being in the Royal Rumble. I'm a sad panda".

Sometimes it doesn't matter how you get from Point A to Point B as long as you get there. Christ, Vince thought he was going to be a face after screwing Bret. The situation was a mess and it led to the biggest angle in history.
That's exactly right...if you get to the destination.

A lot of people are working under the assumption that Bryan doesn't get his big title win at Mania and that a win over HHH is a poor consolation prize.
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Exactly like that.

But the point of having Barrett do that is to draw the heat on to him rather than the crowd venting at the company and/or some other top face. This is what they should have done at the Rumble. Had Barrett come out as #30 with the baaaaaaad neeeeeeeewwwwws that Bryan wasn't even gonna be in the Rumble it'd have been far more effective than having perennial baby face Rey Mysterio getting shit on.



That's exactly right...if you get to the destination.

A lot of people are working under the assumption that Bryan doesn't get his big title win at Mania and that a win over HHH is a poor consolation prize.
Just taking a step back and looking at this logically: there's no friggen way they'd do a heel vs heel match in their Main Event. They don't even do that on Raw. I'm on board with Bryan vs HHH and if Bryan wins he gets put in the main event. Fully convinced this will happen.
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Old 03-01-2014, 11:26 AM   #108
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Yeah, I was skeptical until they drew attention to Batista's reaction on Raw. That was the "smoking gun" for me (not Billy or Bart).

Surely they can't turn Orton face? Can they?
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Old 03-01-2014, 11:27 AM   #109
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I would laugh if HHH beats Bryan in a squash and he is demoted to house shows.
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Isn't a win over HHH better than a win over Orton (Who has been losing a lot lately) and/or Batista. This is HHH we are talking about here.

Why the heck does it even matter what place a person is on the card? As long as the match is as long as it needs to be does it really matter? I guess it may matter for the wrestler if being higher on the card gives a bigger paycheck but for a fan does it honestly matter? I would love for the wrestlers I want to see never be in the main event because then I don't have to watch the entire show.

This is a serious question. Why does it matter what place a wrestler is on the card?
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:32 PM   #111
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Sports analogy: do you prefer for your favourite sports team to get knocked out in the first round of a knock out tournament so that you don't have to pay attention til the end?
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Does not relate. This is fake and getting knocked out early means less games to be played.
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Yeah, I was skeptical until they drew attention to Batista's reaction on Raw. That was the "smoking gun" for me (not Billy or Bart).

Surely they can't turn Orton face? Can they?
I seriously think they might go that route. I mentioned earlier how it COULD work. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for them to try it.
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Old 03-01-2014, 02:27 PM   #114
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I don't want to interrupt the flow of the conversation here, because I think it's pretty valid, but I do want to point out the irony of Gertner not liking the WWE crowds trolling the WWE.
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Finguts and Gertner,

You guys both makes excellent points, but here is why I do relate to CM Punk on some level:

While I agree with Fignuts that Punk has been given a lot and it probably was wrong of him to walk out, the fact of the matter is that he's an independent contractor; not an employee. He is free to do what he wants, and if he's saved enough money, then he can come and leave as he chooses.......especially when the WWE themselves have a tendency to treat their "employees" like chess pieces.

I also suspect that CM Punk isn't particularly upset over not being in the main-event. He has gone on record saying that this is Bryan's year. Punk seems to be upset over the fact that certain part-time wrestlers do not nothing for years on end, and then suddenly come back around the Rumble and end up main-eventing Mania'.

Punk doesn't have issues with guys like Taker, Triple H, and Brock (yet), but appears to resent how they've used Batista.

I honestly don't blame Punk one bit here.
Key word: "Contractor".

He signed a contract. Made a commitment. A promise.

And he broke it. It's that simple to me. I don't disagree with his problems with Batista coming back, just like I didn't disagree with Austin's reasons for walking out. I disagree with how they handled it.

Nothing WWE has done (or hasn't done as the case may be) justifies Punk walking out and screwing them over before their biggest event of the year.
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Meh. The whole contract thing works both ways, or at least it should. When WWE can release you mid-contract why shouldn't you be able to walk out mid-contract?
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I don't want to interrupt the flow of the conversation here, because I think it's pretty valid, but I do want to point out the irony of Gertner not liking the WWE crowds trolling the WWE.
I detest trolls Anybody Thrilla. I may have trolled in 2011, but I've spent the last few years on a crusade against them.
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