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Old 01-10-2015, 01:31 PM   #1
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They can go for the title and Tyson Kidd and Sin Cara can't because they're at that level and Tyson Kidd and Sin Cara aren't. How does giving them a title to fight for make them less jobbers than they already are. Was this a big issue for you when the cruiserweight title was around while Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho and Eddie Guerrero were in the world title scene? How is that any different?

It's no more of a jobber title that the IC or US titles which literally say "You're the second/third best champion" while this one says "You are THE king of this division."
When Benoit, Jericho and Guerrero were in the World Title scene, they were outside the Cruiserweight Division weight limit. And it absolutely bothered me when, for example, Rey Mysterio was the World Champion on SmackDown whilst Gregory Helms was the Cruiserweight Champion and they never did an angle where Helms claimed he was the best wrestler 220lbs or under, so he needs to beat Rey Mysterio to make his title mean anything.

Being the king of the division means nothing if guys that should be in your division are too good for it and fighting in the main event. I mean, you said it yourself: Tyson Kidd and Sin Cara aren't at that level. Why would people take the division seriously if everyone knows that?
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Old 01-10-2015, 08:39 PM   #2
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When Benoit, Jericho and Guerrero were in the World Title scene, they were outside the Cruiserweight Division weight limit.
That's just not true. They absolutely 100% were not.

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And it absolutely bothered me when, for example, Rey Mysterio was the World Champion on SmackDown whilst Gregory Helms was the Cruiserweight Champion and they never did an angle where Helms claimed he was the best wrestler 220lbs or under, so he needs to beat Rey Mysterio to make his title mean anything.

Being the king of the division means nothing if guys that should be in your division are too good for it and fighting in the main event. I mean, you said it yourself: Tyson Kidd and Sin Cara aren't at that level. Why would people take the division seriously if everyone knows that?
You're stuck on the weight thing. What if they did what TNA does and called it something like the X-Division title? Would that make all the difference to you? It's semantics. You can be in the weight range and not be in the division. It's fine. It's happened A LOT. Just like Chyna was not fighting in the women's division for most of her run. Did that make Trish or Lita being women's champion meaningless? No. She just... wasn't in the division. And most people didn't get anal about how it diminished the division meant for women.
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:03 PM   #3
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That's just not true. They absolutely 100% were not.
It is true. Chris Jericho was billed as being 227lbs. Chris Benoit was billed as being 229lbs. Eddie Guerrero was billed as 228lbs. Were they actually that weight? I'm not sure. Could they have been billed as lighter? Sure. Could the Cruiserweight Division have had its 230lbs weight limit re-instated? Absolutely. But as a historical point, the only one I think you could make a kayfabe point for is possibly Chris Benoit when he became the WCW Champion towards the end of his run there.

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You're stuck on the weight thing. What if they did what TNA does and called it something like the X-Division title? Would that make all the difference to you? It's semantics. You can be in the weight range and not be in the division. It's fine. It's happened A LOT. Just like Chyna was not fighting in the women's division for most of her run. Did that make Trish or Lita being women's champion meaningless? No. She just... wasn't in the division. And most people didn't get anal about how it diminished the division meant for women.
Just to nit-pick, Trish Stratus only became the Women's Champion in the post-Chyna era, but I get your point. I am stuck on the weight thing, because I do think it is an issue. Look at how poorly the WWE handles its IC and US Champions for the most part. It wouldn't surprise me to see Diego win the Cruiserweight Title, then be squashed by Big Show the following night for no reason at all. And I do think that it will create a "size matters" view of smaller guys like Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan -- whose styles, admittedly, have never screamed "cruiserweight" to me.

If in a perfect world, they absolutely could book a division around a high-flying style. They actually did a pretty intriguing rivalry between Justin Gabriel, Sin Cara which briefly included Kofi Kingston on Superstars a few months back. If WWE purchased TNA, I'd love to see them keep the X-Division Title alive for a while. But they could also book feuds based on the style a wrestler works without there needing to be a title, and they just haven't done that. If enough high-flying rivalries are established that bringing the Cruiserweight Title back makes perfect sense, I'll be the first on-board with you. It's just something that I don't think fits at the moment.

When The Shield were having awesome six-man tag team matches every week, and there were rival groups trying to face them -- Evolution, The Wyatt Family, John Cena & The Usos -- I think they technically could have introduced a set of Six-Man Tag Team Titles for The Shield to hold, and trade back and forth between the aforementioned groups. But can you imagine if those titles were around now? You probably wouldn't have split up The Wyatt Family, but their chief rivals at the moment would be The New Day and Los Matadores & El Torito. Sometimes you just don't need titles.
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