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Old 03-30-2015, 10:03 AM   #1561
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"Tall, in shape dudes with a beard" exist quite frequently in wrestling. I don't know if you've noticed. And call me crazy but I don't think his hair being highlighted like a teenage girl and his typical "Grr! I'm a heel so I do and discuss doing heel things!" personality make him come off as amazingly unique to me.
I could just as easily flip the script on you by pointing out that saying and doing heel things describes like 98% of heels in the history of wrestling. It's the entire point of their characters, in fact.

Also I'm willing to bet that whenever Rollins goes face again he'll be the next Jeff Hardy and have women dripping from orgasm. If that's his long-term outlook there are worse places to wind up.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:07 AM   #1562
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The entire point of a heel's character is to get people to not like him. I'd say it's done a fine job on #1-wwf-fan.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:08 AM   #1563
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:08 AM   #1564
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Anyway, I wanna give this show a rewatch later in the week. I had such low expectations and they were blown out of the water.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:12 AM   #1565
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I think I really need to take some time away from wrestling and try to "get my smile back". I honestly cannot figure out what all of you lot praising this Wrestlemania are on about. One of the best in a long time? A huge success? This entire event dragged to me. I'm not some ROH/Indy purist who wants to see guys get dropped on their heads, endless two-counts etc, I've been a WWE fan since 1993, but pretty much over the last year I've not given a single fuck and this event really was the nail in the coffin.

Undertaker, Triple H, Cena etc have been having the same Wrestlemania matches for the last five years. Ladder matches just don't seem all that exciting to me any more. I'm sick of the Rock.

I dunno. I'm really bummed out about this Wrestlemania, and every PPV this year so far. I crave so badly for WWE to start using more younger guys in more prominent roles.

Fair play to all of you who enjoyed it though. Glad ya did. I still had a good night with some mates in the sports bar.
My two pence is that it was a solid show, but it does little for WWE's long term problem.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:14 AM   #1566
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I could just as easily flip the script on you by pointing out that saying and doing heel things describes like 98% of heels in the history of wrestling. It's the entire point of their characters, in fact.

Also I'm willing to bet that whenever Rollins goes face again he'll be the next Jeff Hardy and have women dripping from orgasm. If that's his long-term outlook there are worse places to wind up.
No. It's not doing heel things. It's just the basic, typical heel things. There's Bray Wyatt who does heel things but does so with actual personality and depth to his character or Brock Lesnar who is just scary as fuck and has a mouthpiece to hype him up or Ric Flair who was kind of a stereotypical heel in a way but he had so much personality and charisma that it didn't fucking matter. And then there's the guy who isn't oozing charisma and just follows the "wrestling bad guy 101" script without bringing anything new in particular to the table. That's Rollins.

And that's fine if he's the next Jeff Hardy. Jeff Hardy wasn't a WrestleMania headliner either. They never pushed him as one though. They had some true stars around and he was treated as a secondary star to them like he should have been.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:15 AM   #1567
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The entire point of a heel's character is to get people to not like him. I'd say it's done a fine job on #1-wwf-fan.
If genuine dislike is the guideline you're using for a great heel, wouldn't that mean Roman Reigns is a way better heel to you and most of the IWC than Seth Rollins is?
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:34 AM   #1568
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I wouldn't say that Rollins is a Mania headliner. He didn't headline last night. He gate-crashed the headliners and robbed the title. That's fuel for heel heat.

I get that you don't like him, you've made your stance on ROH style "Johnny Kickpads" Indy darlings not being your choice for main event stars perfectly clear over the last 18 months. We get it. I'd go as far as to agree with you on certain points of Rollins short comings but GOD DAMN they created a moment last night; First Ever Mania Cash-in.

They put steam behind Rollins, saved Reigns from the brink, maintained Lesnar's heat, and boosted Orton in one move. They set the table for the post-Mania season, they put a young guy who has been the most consistent performer over the last 12 months on top in a show that was built around part-timers, they did something that you didn't expect they'd do (even if some did call it amongst every possible permutation of events), they delivered a genuinely intriguing scenario coming out of Mania.

The only thing you could have asked for is to have swapped out Rollins for Ryback, but I think a large portion of the audience will be happy with the way things are.
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:00 AM   #1569
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Tbh the ladder match was pretty generic with a stupid finish. Headbutts for the win, come on
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:02 AM   #1570
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The Ambrose powerbomb bump was the highlight of the match

that, and Ziggler being a spider monkey
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:08 AM   #1571
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:17 AM   #1572
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And that's fine if he's the next Jeff Hardy. Jeff Hardy wasn't a WrestleMania headliner either. They never pushed him as one though. They had some true stars around and he was treated as a secondary star to them like he should have been.
Rollins has way more charisma then Hardy. I would say Rollins is more like Edge and CM Punk before Hardy. Both men became maineventers with the MITB briefcase. Rollins is the first to do it in the mainevent of Mania so his stock should sky rocket.
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:33 AM   #1573
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Funny how he gets quasi Lou Thez'd but immediately grabs his quad. Still selling like a pro.
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hahaha! Kevin is such a goofball.
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Old 03-30-2015, 12:00 PM   #1577
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I picked up on that and laughed. I assumed it was a joke but for all we know he prob legit hurt himself.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:08 PM   #1578
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Anyone know what happened to Triple H's leg? Did he come in with that bruise?
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I assumed the damage to Sting's torso was from the stairs bump.
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A few more Wrestlemania thoughts (i.e. Triple H, John Cena, and Big Show going over)
A few more Wrestlemania thoughts (i.e. Triple H, John Cena, and Big Show going over)




I know a few guys are upset that Triple H, John Cena, and even Big Show went over in their respective matches (and in Triple H's case, even finding it non-sensical), but I think the WWE made the correct moves with all 3 choices:




Big Show:


In Big Show's case, he was the right choice to win that match as no else involved is close to being pushed to the moon anyways. The WWE should only give the Andre-The-Giant Memorial victory to someone that is legit ready to ascend to the next level. If that guy isn't there, you go with the vet to keep him credible (i.e. Big Show).


Triple H:


Sting is on his last legs as a competitor, while Triple H, although at the tail-end himself, can still realistically have 1-2 matches per year for the next decade or so.


The danger in having Triple H job too much, is that you ruin HHH's credibility to the point that there is no value in going over him any longer. I'm glad that Triple H has gone over both Lesnar and Sting in recent years, so that when another Daniel-Bryan-like superstar comes up within the ranks, a guy like Triple H can put him over at Mania, and that 'victory' for the up-and-comer will have major value.


The WWE absolutely made the right move in having HHH go over here.




John Cena:


Similar to the above situation. Cena is far and away the WWE's biggest star, and while Cena putting over talent is a great idea, Cena should ultimately have the last laugh in 90% of these feuds.


The only time when Cena should not "have the last laugh" is when his opponent is about to get sky-rocketed to the moon (i.e. Daniel Bryan from mid 2013-Wrestlemania 30). In Rusev's case, the WWE won't be doing this quite yet with him, and so this was easily the best decision for the WWE.


Now having said all that, I do think that Bray Wyatt should have possibly gone over Taker this year (and end his career once and for all), but I also see the value of Taker 'redeeming' himself, while inadvertently adding to Lesnar's legacy (i.e. still being 'the one' in 22-1). Wyatt should end Taker's career at Summerslam however, in an idealistic scenario.
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I would suggest for you to keep posting. Unfortunately, there will always be clowns that won't fully appreciate excellent PPV's and events, but this board needs guys like you to keep contributing.
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Some Wrestlemania records for the talents involved yesterday, although this includes losses for not winning the Andre Battle Royal. Interesting numbers:

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Adam Rose 0-1
AJ Lee 2-0
Alex Riley 0-1
Bad News Barrett 0-3
Big E 0-3
Big Show 5-10
Bo Dallas B0-1
Bray Wyatt 0-2
Brie Bella 0-3
Brock Lesnar 2-3
Cesaro 2-2
Stardust 1-5
Curtis Axel 0-2
Damien Mizdow 0-2
Daniel Bryan 4-2-1
Darren Young 0-2
Dean Ambrose 2-1
Diego 2-5
Dolph Ziggler 1-5
Erick Rowan 0-1
Fandango 1-3
Fernando 1-3
Goldust 0-8-1
Heath Slater 0-3
Hideo Itami 0-1
Jack Swagger 2-3
Jey Uso 1-3
Jimmy Uso 1-4
John Cena 9-3
Kane 9-10
Kofi Kingston 1-7
Konnor 0-1
Luke Harper 0-1
Mark Henry 2-8
Nikki Bella 0-3
Paige 1-0
R-Truth 0-5
Randy Orton 5-7
Roman Reigns 2-1
Rusev 0-1
Ryback 0-3
Seth Rollins 3-1
Sin Cara 0-2
Sting 0-1
The Miz 4-4
Titus O’Neil 0-2
Triple H 9-10
Tyson Kidd 1-5
Undertaker 22-1
Viktor 0-1
Xavier Woods 0-2
Zack Ryder 0-5
The fact that only like five people have winning records is crazy.
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I felt the same way last night, Fignuts. I was posting off and on in a Facebook group thread during the show and certain dudes were just bitching and moaning the whole time. Especially after Sting lost..one of them even "swore" they turned it off and cancelled their subscription....Asshat. He stayed on the boards and bitched the rest of the show by reading the comments. I doubt he actually cancelled....fucking sad sacks are just the worst. We need some positive healin' up in this bitch.
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, or if I really have finally "outgrown" wrestling,

This might be the case Rammsteinmad and there's nothing wrong with that. I'll be honest - over the past 3 years, I've only watched Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania (while keeping tabs on the storyline intermittently via the internet throughout the year), and I've actually really enjoyed wrestling again. (contrast this to 2005-2012 where I still watched more frequently on a part-time basis, and felt bored/jaded by the product).




If you didn't enjoy watching last night's AMAZING PPV, then it might be better for you to take the year off, while following the storylines intermittently on the internet.


Until last night, I hadn't watched Wrestling since the week after Wrestlemania 30, and felt very refreshed watching the PPV last night. Was far easier for me to appreciate wrestling as a mark, and I marked out a number of times last night.
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I felt the same way last night, Fignuts. I was posting off and on in a Facebook group thread during the show and certain dudes were just bitching and moaning the whole time. Especially after Sting lost..one of them even "swore" they turned it off and cancelled their subscription....Asshat. He stayed on the boards and bitched the rest of the show by reading the comments. I doubt he actually cancelled....fucking sad sacks are just the worst. We need some positive healin' up in this bitch.
I dunno about y'all but this thread was hugely positive and people were marking the F out all throughout the show

It was just afterward when morons like #1-wwf-fan started tainting it with negative thoguhts about everything

I was actually thinking how awesome it was that the forum here was enjoying the PPV so unequivocally all night long
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I haven't had the time to read much in this thread. I am happy to read that during the show people were happy
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I dunno about y'all but this thread was hugely positive and people were marking the F out all throughout the show

It was just afterward when morons like #1-wwf-fan started tainting it with negative thoguhts about everything

I was actually thinking how awesome it was that the forum here was enjoying the PPV so unequivocally all night long


And just so people know, our theater (Scarborough Cineplex) greatly enjoyed the PPV as well. Lots of raw emotion, marking out, and fans greatly enjoying themselves. I honestly haven't felt this good as a Wrestling fan since maybe 2004, and so I really think the WWE hit a home-run last night.
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Was tired last night and thought maybe I was just accepting everything because I was just lying there watching in a haze, but after a good rest, can honestly say that was an amazing Mania, and there was so little wrong with it.

Rollins is great, regardless of where he will end up on the card. It is a young guy doing the biggest thing on the biggest stage. The spotlight is well and truly on a new guy and yet people still complain.

Sting is 56 years old, there is nowhere for him to go as a performer and he was made to look HHH equal last night, who is only 44. Absolutely the right decision for the Game to go over so he can continue to be useful where necessary.

Rusev will be fine, because he is so talented and you can see him growing as a performer all the time. He was great again last night and he has really cool offence, a great look and, again, he looked Cena's equal and only lost cause of the Lana bump.

Bray is the most concerning, he really needs to get some success at big events soon, but he is only 27 years old and has time on his side. For a big Taker retirement match next year, he had to win here or he was done.

The match quality was amazing, the surprises had me off the sofa, and the whole thing felt like a massive event that the whole world was watching. It is a home run, and at the end of the night a new future star was standing tall, whether you like him or not.

This really was 5 stars and has totally pulled me back in as a fan.

Would have easily paid 50 dollars for all that I got last night, but as it turns out, we got it all for 9.99, massive bargain imo
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My main complaint is the stupid people in San Fran kept the fucking sun up during the Taker match. Wish Taker would have just vanished (Lights go out) after defeating Bray and never heard from again/
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My main complaint is the stupid people in San Fran kept the fucking sun up during the Taker match. Wish Taker would have just vanished (Lights go out) after defeating Bray and never heard from again/
I think that is what we will get next year. Taker looked tired. Think next year we get the amazing entrance, the one final match, the victory, and the end, in front of 100,000 people in his own state. He deserves it.
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I'm wondering if Taker's last match (if next year will be his last match) should be against Cena? Cena puts him away a la HBK-Flair style, or even Taker-HBK style.


If anyone is deserving of such an accolade, it is John Cena.


Cena and Taker also have that history that traces way back (i.e. Taker shaking Cena's hand backstage after Cena's first match).


I think it would be a terrific way for things to come full circle.
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I don't understand all of the comments about the sun. Everybody calm down. California is sunny. I feel like most people should know this.
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Being in wonderfully beautiful and sunny southern California, I had zero complaints about the atmosphere of Mania
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