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Old 06-16-2015, 10:48 AM   #1
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so Kevin Owens loses the next two?
Right?
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Old 06-16-2015, 12:54 PM   #2
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Probably. You may as well kill all his momentum, we wouldn't want somebody looking strong.
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Old 06-16-2015, 12:56 PM   #3
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R.I.P. Rusev
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Old 06-16-2015, 01:07 PM   #4
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This is where I blame John Cena. He legit has the power to tell Vince he doesn't want to steam roll the next big star and kill his momentum. He doesn't need to win this feud.
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Old 06-16-2015, 01:12 PM   #5
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Its lose/lose for Owens.

Either he loses to Cena
Or he wins and does the mandatory Jobs since he has a title.
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Old 06-16-2015, 01:34 PM   #6
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No way should Owens win the feud with Cena. No one ever should win their first ever actual feud against the top person in the company. It leaves him with no room to grow. He is already the best.
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Old 06-16-2015, 01:44 PM   #7
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Brock did pretty much.
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:03 PM   #8
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But Brock's appearances are limited, giving more credence. He is a badass each and every time he comes out. He also has been around the "E" more and "put in more work" in that regard.

Noid makes the best point, he would have nowhere to go from there and everyone would sour on his entire schtick before 2016 arrives.
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Noid?

Brocks appearances were not limited back in 2002 when he beat Rock, (their top guy) at SummerSlam.
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:31 PM   #10
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Whatever the case, R.I.P. Kevin Owens' career forever. He had a good run.
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Noid?

Brocks appearances were not limited back in 2002 when he beat Rock, (their top guy) at SummerSlam.
And when he left it hurt WWE for years.
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:46 PM   #12
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But Brock's appearances are limited, giving more credence. He is a badass each and every time he comes out. He also has been around the "E" more and "put in more work" in that regard.

Noid makes the best point, he would have nowhere to go from there and everyone would sour on his entire schtick before 2016 arrives.
I am not Noid dammit. And I been saying this since their first match.
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:47 PM   #13
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So upset at Drave right now.
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And it is completely justified.

This is the result of 4 hours of sleep in 2 intervals of 2 hours a piece.
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And when he left it hurt WWE for years.
Yeah but he still grew as a character within those 2 years.
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Old 06-16-2015, 03:15 PM   #16
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He might going into Bray Wyatt "we are going to make sure that nobody cares about this guy" territory but he might not.
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And when he left it hurt WWE for years.
Because they don't know how to build more than one person at a time. If they'd bothered to build up a secondary "top guy," Brock leaving wouldn't have crushed them.
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Old 06-16-2015, 03:24 PM   #18
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Owens should win the third match by cheating. Seems only right. Everyone wins.
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utterly fantastic, the "Owens buried" comments beginning already

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I'm oddly confident that Owens will win this feud now that he's saying he wants the US Title next time they fight. I always assumed the point of Cena winning the US Title was two-fold: 1) raise its prestige by having Cena hold it, and 2) transition it to a guy they feel can be a legitimate star in the future
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utterly fantastic, the "Rusev buried" comments beginning already
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utterly fantastic, the "Sandow buried" comments beginning already
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utterly fantastic, the "Daniel Bryan buried" comments beginning already
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utterly fantastic, the "Wyatt buried" comments beginning already
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utterly fantastic, the "Barret buried" comments beginning already
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I don't think Owens will get the sandow treatment, but he would have been better off if the match from last night went to a non-finish.
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The main thing I hear is "Cena doesn't need the win, this doesn't make any sense." That's a bad argument to me because if Cena does maintain his greatness, then beating him doesn't mean anything. The reason Kevin Owens beating Cena was a huge deal is because he doesn't lose all that often.
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Btw, does anybody else think that Owens/Reigns would be a fantastic feud where somebody could potentially legitimately die?
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$20 says Owens wins the US Title
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Yeah but he still grew as a character within those 2 years.
There were also more legit stars for him to feud with. If you go cleanly over Cena then how many real opponents do you have that will threaten you? Especially as the heel character. There is no Kurt, Undertaker, HHH, and so on anymore.
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Ambrose, Reigns, Ryback, uhhh....Machine Gun Kelly...

Yeah, Cena might want to win this.
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WWE is stupid if they don't put Kevin Owens here. He can replace CM Punk and he has some positives over CM Punk as a "top guy". If WWE handles the next year properly, they could have the deepest main event level roster with equal numbers of heels/faces than they have had since the early 2000s.

Main Event Heels: Rollins, Owens, Wyatt, Sheamus
Main Event Faces: Cena, Lesnar, Ambrose, Reigns, Orton

Couple of those guys can be either heel or face depending on what you want/need and if Daniel Bryan can come back its even better. Ryback should be ready to be a legit main eventer within the next year also.
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Fuck, Triple H vs Owens would be amazing. The natural transition to badass babyface for Owens going up against HHH would be great. Book it. I still want Ambrose vs HHH though. Ambrose/HHH is WrestleMania level match to me.
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Old 06-16-2015, 04:56 PM   #30
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I think Owens will win.
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Old 06-16-2015, 04:59 PM   #31
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I don't think losing to Cena would bury Owens, it's just it'd make him smell of being "just another guy" and set him back a bit. Let a guy be red hot and run with it.
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Old 06-16-2015, 05:06 PM   #32
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I'm more worried about Owens losing to an NXT guy between now and the next Cena match than I am about him losing to Cena. That would fuck up his momentum way more.
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Unless they have Cena show up on NXT and always screwing over Owens. Cena on NXT would get more kids to watch NXT/get parents to sign up for WWE Network.
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I don't know, I'm entirely under the impression that NXT fans are all smarks, do things like "momentum" even truly matter in that context?
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There's ways to do it where he doesn't "job out". Have him toy with a beaten down Balor, where he pulls him up after a 2-count in order to inflict more damage, send him into the ropes for another pop-up power bomb, Balor reverses with a Hurricanrana and manages to get the pin. Owens' hubris is his undoing.
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Owens right now is the perfect guy to take the US title off of Cena while continuing to rebuild the belt's prestige. Since Sheamus held the belt, its been slowly on a roll with strong champs and no reason why Owens can't continue that trend.

Would be idiotic for the WWE to kill off Owens momentum like they did with Rusev and Wyatt in their feuds with Cena. Him losing the NXT belt would have no effect on his overall momentum unless that July 4 Japan show ends up being really horrible.
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There's ways to do it where he doesn't "job out". Have him toy with a beaten down Balor, where he pulls him up after a 2-count in order to inflict more damage, send him into the ropes for another pop-up power bomb, Balor reverses with a Hurricanrana and manages to get the pin. Owens' hubris is his undoing.
Had the idea in another thread where it would be a ladder match. He gets the upper hand and beats the shit out of Balor. Instead of going for the title though, he wants to "send a message" and goes for the apron powerbomb which sends Cena out for the save. Cena and Owens brawl and Balor slowly comes to, climbs the ladder and takes the title. It keeps Owens looking like maybe only Cena on his best day is capable of pinning him and it puts Balor over by making him "all heart" by taking a beating and still getting up to climb the ladder.

At this point they've really told a great story where Cena and Owens look like they're on another level and the only one who can beat one of them is the other. The last thing they should do after what Owens has survived in these two matches with Cena is have him get pinned by an NXT guy even with interference.
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utterly fantastic, the "Owens buried" comments beginning already

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Just want to go on the record saying my remarks in this thread were sarcastic, if people couldn't tell.
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