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Old 07-24-2015, 03:31 AM   #201
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It's a shame as well. The WWE had two golden opportunities to really make something out of Orton and failed both times:


1) Orton's premature face turn after Summerslam 2004. WWE should have pushed Orton as a 'cool heel' as they did with The Rock in 98/99 (i.e. a heel that gets massively cheered by the fans). Evolution should have kicked HHH out of the group, and Orton should have been the new leader..........with Batista going over heel Orton at Wrestlemania 21.


2) That one Wrestlemania where Orton fought Hunter - no way Hunter should have gone over. Orton, with Legacy, should have easily beaten The Game. The week before Wrestlemania, Orton should have been able to kick Stephanie in the head to add to his massive heeldom. Legacy was way the fuck over during this time period and it got squashed.
I agree on the second instance for sure. They fought @ WM 25, and the damn WWE Championship was on the line! Orton definitely deserved to be pushed.

Speaking of Legacy, anyone else remember the joke that was Manu? LOL
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Old 07-24-2015, 04:23 AM   #202
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So if it's not Cesaro, Rollins, or Ryback, then who is that guy?


The WWE wanted it to be Reigns, but he was too green.


Daniel Bryan's career is in serious jeopardy and so he's likely out.


WWE's best bet might be to re-push Randy Orton for the umpteenth time.....as erroneous as that may be. The WWE can play it off as 'after all these years', Orton is finally starting to realize the potential that Triple H initially saw in him.
Orton actually is probably the best option but they should have rolled with it years ago. I think he's too far into his career to be "the future".

There are one or two guys on the lower rung who have the look, the size, the mic skills, the charisma and the in-ring skills to be the face of the company. They're miles away from that level though. They'd have to change their character up, push them out of nowhere and go all in with the push without the start-stop bullshit.

... Of course, I'm referring to Johnny Curtis. The one man WWE has dropped the ball with worse than Ryback.
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Old 07-24-2015, 09:12 AM   #203
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Ambrose was soooo over and a perfect main-event protagonist...they have no idea what to do with him now though.
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Orton actually is probably the best option but they should have rolled with it years ago. I think he's too far into his career to be "the future".

There are one or two guys on the lower rung who have the look, the size, the mic skills, the charisma and the in-ring skills to be the face of the company. They're miles away from that level though. They'd have to change their character up, push them out of nowhere and go all in with the push without the start-stop bullshit.

... Of course, I'm referring to Johnny Curtis. The one man WWE has dropped the ball with worse than Ryback.
Every time you mention Johnny Curtis or Ryback, I want to give you a manly embrace and tell you I feel your pain.
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Gonna go out on the limb and say Hogan doesn't have a retirement match at Mania lol
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So if it's not Cesaro, Rollins, or Ryback, then who is that guy?
Kevin Owens.
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:00 PM   #208
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I don't know if there's any plans for Triple H/Rock at this year's Mania, but if not, then I think Bray Wyatt going over Triple H would be a good thing.


Would be interesting if later this year, the Wyatt family did shit to Stephanie (i.e. capture her, etc.) which incurred the wrath of Hunter.


Could be an interesting yet effective way to get Bray to that next level.


The following few matches aren't realistic, and likely won't happen, but here goes:




WWE title: Dean Ambrose vs. Brock Lesnar. As par my earlier suggestion, Ambrose gets built up big time and goes up against the champ Brock Lesnar. If the WWE doesn't want Ambrose in this spot, then spend this next half-year rebuilding Orton as a face.


WWE match: Bray Wyatt vs. Triple H


Undertaker's last ever match: Undertaker vs. John Cena


WWE match: Seth Rollins vs. Roman Reigns. Add Dean Ambrose if he's not in the main-event.
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:32 PM   #209
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Finn Balor is being presented as *that* guy. Next year might be too early, but I see him wrestling and beating Cena at Mania in the coming years. Since they've still got the Shield Triple Threat in their back pocket, they could probably have Balor shockingly win the Royal Rumble and give him a surreal push heading into Mania.

He may not be "Face of the Company" material, but Cesaro's face turn has been working. I can actually see him as a #2 or #3 face -- maybe someone more like Batista or Sheamus.

Dean Ambrose works when he is pushed, but meanders when he's not focused on. I think he'll find more urgent success as a heel, in which case, Seth Rollins will make a good protagonist to go against him. Heel Ambrose and Face Rollins could make some money together.
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:35 PM   #210
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Finn Balor will never be *that* guy. He can certainly be maybe one of the top stars on the roster, but he will never be *that* guy....

I am assuming by "*that* guy" you mean like what John Cena is. If you mean something else, then, yeah, maybe.
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:42 PM   #211
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Uhaa Nation will get a super-push, in my opinion.
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Old 07-26-2015, 10:54 PM   #212
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Uhaa Nation should get a nice push. He's pretty incredible. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem very good on the mic.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:44 AM   #213
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Orton actually is probably the best option but they should have rolled with it years ago. I think he's too far into his career to be "the future".

Definitely agree. However - I wouldn't want to put the strap on Orton as a way of pegging him as "the future." At this stage in the game, Orton is way too 'saturated' for that. I want Orton to be champ so that he can carry the company afloat while the WWE tries to find their "next John Cena" (whether that comes in the form of a new-and-improved Roman Reigns, Kevin Owens, etc.). My 'vision' is that maybe you have a guy like Orton be the 'top face' for the company in 2016, and then have someone like Reigns, or Owens eventually take top billing in 2017 after Mania'.


As far as guys like Johnny Curtis goes, I hope the WWE learned their lesson (i.e. do NOT bring up NXT talent to the "big leagues" unless you have a clear cut vision of how you are going to push said character. Don't come up with dumb shit! REALLY take the time to think about the character).
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I think Fandango had some legs. Sincerely. The way he goaded Chris Jericho into that WrestleMania 29 match could have actually been revealed to have been manipulative genius. He could have been a peacock gimmick that lulled his opponents into a false sense of security and struck like a cobra. I didn't really mind Jericho getting his win back at Extreme Rules -- he would have smartened up to what a freak athlete Fandango is and better prepared -- then the onus would have been on Fandango to get better. But I would have preferred it if they had some sort of "Ballroom Brawl" and Fandango got the clean win over Jericho. Then make that "his" match. If Fandango has a serious issue with you, then it's a Ballroom Brawl at the PPV.

It looked like he was primed to win the Intercontinental Title too, but then he got concussed and his momentum never really got back on track. The goofiness became more sincere than an ironic act to fool his adversaries. As a face, I don't know how all of these facets of his personality actually connect for the purposes of damage control. It might just be easier to "evolve" the gimmick and take it somewhere new. I'd honestly be intrigued to see what Triple H and co. would do with Fandango in NXT. Things are more "wrestling" down there, so he might get a more purposeful personality to play with.

Why not have Dolph Ziggler beat Rusev at SummerSlam, and then have Rusev -- being the misogynist prick that he is -- insult Summer Rae on RAW the next night and blame everything on her. Fandango can then make the save and those two (who actually did have chemistry) reunite; and Fandango can play plucky hero against the Bulgarian Brute?
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I get what ya'll saying about Orton. And I do love face Orton. But I dunno why -- it doesn't feel right to push him ahead of everybody right now. I think he is still serious money and should always be involved in a program -- especially given how white-hot his issues with The Authority should be -- but I'm just not digging the idea of making him "the guy" for the time being. I'd rather Cena did it, to be honest.

I'd have Orton position himself for another shot at the WWE World Heavyweight Title, but The Authority bluntly tell him "no." There's no way Randy Orton is ever getting a shot at a 13th World Title unless he kowtows to them and re-joins. Orton very quickly tells them they can get screwed, and he'll just RKO bitches until it cannot be denied he is still the Apex Predator, so The Authority essentially puts a hit out on Orton's head.

Maybe Barrett takes a swing, and then Kevin Owens makes a case for himself. Bouncing off the losses to John Cena, he needs a way to prove he is still next in line for greatness on the main roster. KO vs. RKO. The handsome "Face" of WWE, versus the guy who claims to be anti-corporate and wears baggy gear.

This all builds to Orton entering the Royal Rumble, as if he wins, Triple H cannot deny him a spot in the title match at WrestleMania. Then someone like Bray Wyatt makes a specific target out of Orton, and they feud heading into WrestleMania -- where Orton finds it harder to make allies since he's basically RKO'd or punted half the roster and their loved ones in the past.
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