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Old 07-25-2015, 08:59 PM   #81
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Honestly, there needs to be a serious faction that is against the authority. It needs to consist of two top stars, a mid card guy, and female, and a manager/cool guy that just hangs with them because.

I know people are going to knock the faction thing, but with multiple people being in that spot, the fans will tell you who they want to be in that spot. Also, it gives a new look to the WWE and they can bring in cool celebrities, athletes, etc to get them "street cred". Also, this means that the people who arent wrestling that night are still relevant and can still bring heat to themselves and the faction.

Orton needs to grow his hair out (if he can), keep the beard or shave it all off, and refresh himself as someone who can flip on anyone at any time and needs to show off some other type of talent (artistic stuff, a particula sport, guitar player, etc) so that people feel they can relate or bring out his personality.

I think the WWE can be BIG, there just has to be a sense of urgency to make Cena look like he is actually have to COMPETE for the title rather than it be "another Cena title match where he overcomes all odds". Hell, SCSA didnt loose too much, but he still did in different ways.

Just ranting, may post more ideas.
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Old 07-25-2015, 10:32 PM   #82
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I would be trying to build Kevin Owens for a babyface run in 2017 (ie Mania 33).

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

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There's a part of me that agrees with this, but there's also a part of me that says that the WWE will suffer if their "best guy" is out of the storylines for months on end. Case in point - this year. The WWE was actually red-hot until Stephanie fired Lesnar. Once Lesnar was out, the show went to shit. I just think that sooner than later, someone is going to have to go over Lesnar cleanly and convincingly.

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If not him, I would be fine with Reigns if the story culminates with Reigns and Rollins for the belt (maybe even throw in Ambrose for fun). I dont see the problem with Reigns. Then again, I dont understand why people booo Cena.

If Reigns can somehow connect with the fans more, then I wouldn't mind seeing him be "the guy," but we saw how that panned out this past year. Reigns still has a little ways to go.

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Cesaro, Ryback, Ziggler are all missing something IMO, I cant see either of them being "the guy".

Completely agree with you on Ryback.


As far as Ziggler goes, I actually think his 'star' was on the rise a few years back, but the WWE failed to capitalize on it. I think it was a few years ago when Ziggler 'cashed in' on Alberto Del Rios and the roof blew off of the place. Had the WWE gone full force with Ziggler back then, I think he would have had a good chance of succeeding with the push. It's going to be tough to rebuild Ziggler's credibility with the fans, but who knows. I don't think Ziggler would exactly be the next Cena or Stone Cold, be he atleast deserve(s)(d?) a shot.


As far as Cesaro goes, I think the guy is ready, and was ready big time last year. Had the WWE given Cesaro the push that Roman Reigns got (as a face, and letting Cesaro keep 'Swagger's theme'), then I think he would've been huge.


Cesaro is a very solid wrestler, but also had the most 'over' move in the WWE last year with that 'airplane' move. That, combined with the fact the people loved chanting 'We, the people' when CESARO was in the ring duing tag matches, and also combined with the fact that his/Swagger's theme music was one of the most 'over' themes at the time, I think Cesaro could have been huge.


I still have hope for Cesaro, and still think there's a 'window' for him, but we'll see what the WWE does. I absolutely think that Cesaro can be the face of the company if pushed right. Management doesn't seem to think so however.



Dean Ambrose is another guy I'm bull-ish on. Like Cesaro, I feel like the fans would really get behind an Ambrose main-event push.
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Old 07-25-2015, 10:35 PM   #83
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Honestly, there needs to be a serious faction that is against the authority. It needs to consist of two top stars, a mid card guy, and female, and a manager/cool guy that just hangs with them because.

I know people are going to knock the faction thing, but with multiple people being in that spot, the fans will tell you who they want to be in that spot. Also, it gives a new look to the WWE and they can bring in cool celebrities, athletes, etc to get them "street cred". Also, this means that the people who arent wrestling that night are still relevant and can still bring heat to themselves and the faction.

Orton needs to grow his hair out (if he can), keep the beard or shave it all off, and refresh himself as someone who can flip on anyone at any time and needs to show off some other type of talent (artistic stuff, a particula sport, guitar player, etc) so that people feel they can relate or bring out his personality.

I think the WWE can be BIG, there just has to be a sense of urgency to make Cena look like he is actually have to COMPETE for the title rather than it be "another Cena title match where he overcomes all odds". Hell, SCSA didnt loose too much, but he still did in different ways.

Just ranting, may post more ideas.


A re-united Wyatt family unexpectedly going after Seth Rollins and The Authority could be interesting. Wyatt's being bad-ass faces might be interesting and refreshing for their characters.
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Old 07-25-2015, 10:53 PM   #84
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Cesaro doesn't have nearly what it takes to be "the guy". You need a larger than life personality in some way and/or a look and charisma that gives you an appeal outside of the hardcore wrestling fanbase that is gonna watch him no matter where he is on the card. Cesaro has none of that.
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Old 07-26-2015, 11:43 AM   #85
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But he's the best wrestler in the world, though.
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i'm fine with Lesnar with the title as long as he does a few more matches throughout the year. The title becomes meaningless if it's passes like a hot potatoe every week. The intercontinental and the Us Championships are the ones that should be defended on a regular basis to make up for that gap. The Heavyweight Champion should be a special attraction like it was back when H* had it in the early 80's.

Cesaro has the look and he has/had the fans much like Ziggler, Danielson and various others. Bring back a few managers who can speak, some prerecorder backstage shit and let the guys who can shine, shine. Owens has everything you want in a heel and his body is perfect for being a bruiser.. so he doesn't have a six pack, neither did Dusty or any of the real mean bastards of the 60's 70's or 80's

Cesaro
Ziggler
Ambrose
Sam Zayn
Ryback-provided that they protect him on the mic a little
Hell if Mark Henry could find his passion he could work for a bit.
Give Orton one last shot

In the end it all depends if the Wwe wants to push them in a convincing way while not making everyone else on the list look like shit.
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Old 07-26-2015, 12:46 PM   #87
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I think thats been pissed away due to injuries.
I would love him as a heel if they could rebuild him
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Wondering if the WWE can push Dean Ambrose in a similar way to how they pushed Bryan (i.e. Undersized warrior overcoming odds).

I was thinking about this yesterday. If Management gets on board with this, then I think Ambrose is the guy you push. Ambrose has Foley level crazy in him, and has Scott Hall level bad-assishness in him.
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He's not even that small. Just kinda skinny.
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Yeah Ambrose is 6'4". Hardly a vanilla midget. But he's really lanky. Fortunately his attire masks that to a degree. And he's said in interviews that he prefers to wrestle in jeans and a t-shirt over trunks because it's more "realistic" fighting attire, so it'll probably stick.
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True.

But seriously - I think Ambrose is a guy that the fans can get behind. He's young, charismatic, had solid wrestling ability, great promo skill, and more importantly, hasn't been in the WWE too long (relatively speaking) to the point where his character is over saturated (i.e. Like a Ziggler, Sheamus, The Miz, etc.).

I always maintain that if a WWE character has been in the company for over 3 years and hasn't done anything significant, their chance of really being "the guy" for the company becomes almost slim to none.

For example - The Rock came here in 96', and made significant strides in 98. Cena came around 2002, and made significant strides in 04'. Austin came in 96 and absolutely blew up in 97'.

Especially in this day and age, if the WWE is serious about a certain wrestler, said wrestler needs to receive a significant push within their first 2-3 years to greatly increase his chances of being "the guy."
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Piggy backing off the above argument, I really think the WWE needs to get serious with Ambrose and Bray Wyatt this year as to avoid pissing away their potential stardom.
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Yeah, Ambrose woulda been great as the "one man vs. The Authority" angle... Doing the Brock Lesnar method of "taking them out one at a time" until Rollins was finally left unprotected....

Could have even been the guy to beat Brock Lesnar himself. Ambrose would be just "too crazy" to know when a sane person would give up and die, and would get the win in the end....
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I think I sort of agree with that.

Would you say that Ambrose has done significant enough things to remain relevant up to this point? The Shield was legendary. He had a lengthy US title run where he defended maybe three times in a year. People are definitely behind him, but he does need to do something pretty soon to remain relevant, I think.
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I think he lost a whole lot of relevancy after The Shield broke up... he was on fire for a bit, but then did nothing but continually lose to Seth Rollins/Bray Wyatt. It got to the point where I just didn't take him seriously anymore.

That being said, they then came out of nowhere and moved him into another short feud with Seth Rollins, where again he was on fire (less so then originally)..... He did come out of this feud looking a lot better than he did the first one, even though he still lost....

But pretty much right as that feud ended he went back to being irrelevant and not even being booked on the next PPV.... Not capitalizing on any of that "steam" coming off a MAIN EVENT feud....
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I think I sort of agree with that.

Would you say that Ambrose has done significant enough things to remain relevant up to this point? The Shield was legendary. He had a lengthy US title run where he defended maybe three times in a year. People are definitely behind him, but he does need to do something pretty soon to remain relevant, I think.
My opinion on Ambrose is very similar to Bray, in that, yes, I think both men have done some very significant things to remain relevant to this point. Both guys flourished under stables that were quite over with the fans.

However, having said, both guys need to start going over in a lot of these feuds with upper card wrestlers.......or fans will start getting bored with them. Both Ambrose and Wyatt have done a lot of jobs over the past 1.5 years and have been made to look clearly inferior to their main-event calibre opponents.

If this doesn't change this year, then I think the 'windows' for both Bray and Ambrose could take a massive hit.

Back in the late 90's/early 00's, the "window" was probably about 3 years. In today's day and age however, it may even be less than that due to the advances of Social media' and because attention spans/brand loyalty is far less these days due to myraid of other forms of entertainment out there.
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Random thought, but its funny how when i was such a huge fan years ago that people like my older cousins, father, or friends would say 'i dont know who ANY of these guys are except for SCSA, Rock, and UT and for the first two it was because they were everywhere and for UT it was because they remember him when watching it. But people like Jericho, Angle, Brock, etc they didnt know.

I feel myself reacting the same way now. Haven't watched in years and i feel i only know some of the roster. I swear i want to get back into it, im still a fan at heart, but i just want them to give me a reason to watch...like a REAL reason.

The talent is just like some of these companies that have been around for years: too wide of a gap of seasoned wrestlers and entry-mid level people (i mean this in WWE years, not other promotions). There's no one that i can say is "right between Cena/Orton and Ziggler/Caesaro, except for maybe Kane...and i definitely don't want Kane as the champ, sorry.

Even when Bret, Shawn, Henning, Yoko, Lex, and others took over the business and had their era, they still had years under their belt so when Hogan, Flair, Macho and others left, there were people that fans knew already. WWE doesn't seem to have that right now, so they have to keep bringing people back like Batista, Rock, UT, etc.

It's going to be tough for the WWE, but hopefully they can sustain. I also think that ROH or another wrestling company need more exposure but the business isn't what it used to be (with MMA, UFC and others dominating the "sports entertainment" realm) so they (TV networks) wont sponsor another company "just because". On a side note, i also think that social media is hurting rather than helping the WWE because it seems like fans that attend are the same jerkoffs that troll on twitter and forums and don't enjoy the product as much..the writers may have something to do with that as well
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Lesnar working a limited schedule I feel works to the WWE's advantage.

It forces the WWE to book him as a special attraction. I dont follow the business side of things as closely as I once did, but I dont think Lesnar as champ last year killed ticket sales to live events. But when you hear he's going to be on TV or a Network Special you go out of your way to see it. In that sense he would be booked for like a UFC champion, which I think is a good thing.

If built correctly, you slowly establish Owens as a killer on the regular roster. Maybe he has a long run with the US title. You build in Lesnar's part time status into the storyline. Owens feels he is already the top dog because he has the US title. He defends it week in week out. Lesnar (through Heyman) says hey thats great, but Brock paid his dues for years, and proved to be a marquee attraction, so he doesnt need to be in Tuscon on a Saturday for a live event (subtly turn him heel for the match). Owens beats him clean at Mania 33 and you hope the crowd is with him.

But I also know Owens isnt the type of guy that WWE will look to lead the company. He will be more of a Daniel Bryan than a Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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Old 07-26-2015, 08:05 PM   #100
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Good above post CyNick.


The only thing with Lesnar is that there's no way that the WWE can constantly have him be a part-time champ. I do like the idea of building up Owens over the next 1.5 years so that he's ready to be champ by Wrestlemania 33, but I also think someone needs to cleanly and convincingly go over Lesnar well before then (Wrestlemania 32), so that the WWE has a legit 'alpha star' to carry the company on a full-time basis.


My vote would go towards Ambrose or Orton as you know. Ideally, it would be Ambrose because he's not 'saturated' (been around for too long) like Orton, but the WWE seem content in holding him down for whatever reason.


If the WWE can salvage anything out of this year, it would be in giving both Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt very significant pushes and victories over main-event calibre wrestlers in feuds this year. I feel that if Ambrose and Wyatt don't make significant strides this year, then their "window" for becoming a massive star will likely close, and they will go into Sheamus/The Miz/Dolph Ziggler territory.
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Old 07-26-2015, 10:51 PM   #101
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Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose will find their biggest success on the other side of the moral spectrum, in my opinion -- Wyatt as a face and Ambrose as a heel. The Rock is scheduled to face Triple H at WrestleMania, but I'd like to see The Rock vs. Bray Wyatt down the track. Wyatt going after The Rock as sort of "revenge" for Triple H and Stephanie McMahon could be a good story over the summer of next year. Right now, I can't really see how Bray Wyatt fits into WrestleMania though. He might end up facing Sting or something.

I see Ambrose sitting out of SummerSlam due to a worked injury, but if they have him go down in style, he could always pop back with more fan backing than ever. Reigns & Ambrose vs. Wyatt & Harper seems like a logical match to put inside Hell in a Cell in October.
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Old 07-26-2015, 11:01 PM   #102
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My more recent reply is more realistic.
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Old 07-27-2015, 01:27 AM   #103
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Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose will find their biggest success on the other side of the moral spectrum, in my opinion -- Wyatt as a face and Ambrose as a heel.

I disagree with this slightly. While I believe Ambrose could be huge as a heel or face, I think Wyatt's greatest potential will be in being heel.




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The Rock is scheduled to face Triple H at WrestleMania, but I'd like to see The Rock vs. Bray Wyatt down the track. Wyatt going after The Rock as sort of "revenge" for Triple H and Stephanie McMahon could be a good story over the summer of next year. Right now, I can't really see how Bray Wyatt fits into WrestleMania though. He might end up facing Sting or something.

Rock vs. Bray might be interesting at some point, but Bray will really have to be built up before he's worthy enough to go against The Rock. Bray jobbing to someone like Sting would be extremely detrimental for his career at this point......and there's no way the WWE will have Sting job at two Wrestlemania's in a row.



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I see Ambrose sitting out of SummerSlam due to a worked injury, but if they have him go down in style, he could always pop back with more fan backing than ever. Reigns & Ambrose vs. Wyatt & Harper seems like a logical match to put inside Hell in a Cell in October.

If the WWE elects to go the Reigns/Ambrose vs. Wyatt/Harper route, I wouldn't mind seeing Wyatt/Harper go over (actually, for Bray's sake, I think it needs to happen), while we then see tension develop between Ambrose and Reigns.........leading to an Ambrose/Reigns feud.
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Old 07-27-2015, 02:43 AM   #104
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Cesaro doesn't have nearly what it takes to be "the guy". You need a larger than life personality in some way and/or a look and charisma that gives you an appeal outside of the hardcore wrestling fanbase that is gonna watch him no matter where he is on the card. Cesaro has none of that.
Supposedly, neither did Benoit. No, I'm not setting up for a murder joke.

He started getting traction near the end of his "Real Americans" stint. People were popping for the swing. He got new attire, new (but unfortunate) music, Paul Fucking Heyman, an innogral win in a tourney seemingly made up just to give him the rub.... then he's off TV for awhile simply because Vince is bored with him?

The "getting upset because Keven Owens f'd up my title shot against Cena" is honestly the most interesting thing he's been given to do as a singles competitor since, like, ever... no, I take that back; it's second to his mini-feud with Zayn. But, that's just it, he hasn't had anything to do besides "go out there and have a match with x". He needs a reason why people should get behind him. A good storyline reason, not a find a cheesy gimmick reason. That falls back on needing better writing, not better Cesaro.
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:07 AM   #105
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Benoit didn't. And he wasn't "the guy". Trying to put him in a position to be "the guy" even for a brief period of time was a fucking horrible idea.
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Old 07-27-2015, 10:56 AM   #106
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I'm in the camp of people who don't think that Wyatt needs to win every match. The guy's got a Mick Foley-like ability to take a loss and shrug it off. He could just laugh maniacally and say "Is that what you've got?" and all is forgiven. That being said, I really think the guy would have been the best choice to win Money in the Bank this year. He'd be creepy looming over everything with the briefcase, and it'd add a lot to this Reigns vs. Wyatt feud, as Wyatt would be in a true position of power.

That being said, I don't know what their full plans are with Sheamus and the briefcase.
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Old 07-27-2015, 11:14 AM   #107
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With Sheamus being a well-known "Triple H guy" I feel like he'll wind up cashing in successfully, although my gut feeling is that he'll just keep the belt warm for a couple of months before dropping it and fading back into the midcard.

I enjoy Sheamus' work but he just feels like one of the many characters in WWE that I just can't get invested in as a main eventer anymore thanks to their stop-start booking.
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I agree completely with that. If Sheamus wins the title, I hope they book him like a true bad-ass. He shouldn't be afraid of Brock or anybody.
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Benoit didn't. And he wasn't "the guy". Trying to put him in a position to be "the guy" even for a brief period of time was a fucking horrible idea.
Being "the guy" and being pushed as a credible main eventer are- or should be- two different things. You can have a centerpiece (which is where they're obviously going with Roman), but have a smattering of guys who could conceivably knock the champ down a peg. I'm not in the camp of this "all or nothing" way of thinking on if someone should be elevated to main event tier status or not. Cesaro doesn't need to be "the guy" that carries the company on his back for the next decade, but he doesn't need to languish down the card as the sole alternative.

As for Wyatt not needing to win every match (didn't bother double quoting), this is true... BUT he needs to win *some* big matches to not look stupid. He's sliding into "one more match" Christian territory. He's supposed to be "The New Face Of Fear", then they should book him as such. He should be nearly Undertaker/Kane/Mankind levels of dominant (initial incarnation of all three characters, I mean), not a minor obstacle for someone they need a temporary angle for, then they beat him and move on.
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Make Harper the force, and that makes Wyatt more dangerous. For the simple fact that he controls the out of control madman. And you can also set up a possibility that someday, Bray loses that control.
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The only thing with Lesnar is that there's no way that the WWE can constantly have him be a part-time champ. I do like the idea of building up Owens over the next 1.5 years so that he's ready to be champ by Wrestlemania 33, but I also think someone needs to cleanly and convincingly go over Lesnar well before then (Wrestlemania 32), so that the WWE has a legit 'alpha star' to carry the company on a full-time basis.


My vote would go towards Ambrose or Orton as you know. Ideally, it would be Ambrose because he's not 'saturated' (been around for too long) like Orton, but the WWE seem content in holding him down for whatever reason.


If the WWE can salvage anything out of this year, it would be in giving both Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt very significant pushes and victories over main-event calibre wrestlers in feuds this year. I feel that if Ambrose and Wyatt don't make significant strides this year, then their "window" for becoming a massive star will likely close, and they will go into Sheamus/The Miz/Dolph Ziggler territory.
My thing is they did it from last August 2014 to April 2015 and I dont think business really suffered. WWE's main goal over the foreseeable future is driving Network subs. By having a special attraction like Lesnar who only wrestles once a quarter, you keep people coming back.

Of course the ideal scenario is you create a new Stone Cold Steve Austin who works 12 network specials per year, every RAW, and is on the live events as well. But we dont have that guy, and creating one isnt like flipping a switch.

Lesnar is probably only going to work 3-5 matches between now and Mania, so I dont think thats sufficient time to have him win the title, build him up as a dominant champion, and then make the fans want to see him lose. Whereas I think if you were to walk out of Mania 32, you would have a year of him being the unbeatable champion, and between now and then you lay the foundation for the guy who unseat Lesnar.

I like a guy like Ambrose, but just his look, I dont see him being the face of the franchise. Which is also why I dont think it would ever work out for Kevin Owens either. At the end of the day, he's a chunky dude from Montreal. I just dont see him being selected to carry the company. Reigns I still see having the inside track on that.
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My thing is they did it from last August 2014 to April 2015 and I dont think business really suffered. WWE's main goal over the foreseeable future is driving Network subs. By having a special attraction like Lesnar who only wrestles once a quarter, you keep people coming back.

Yes, I guess I can see your point here.

Of course the ideal scenario is you create a new Stone Cold Steve Austin who works 12 network specials per year, every RAW, and is on the live events as well. But we dont have that guy, and creating one isnt like flipping a switch.

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Lesnar is probably only going to work 3-5 matches between now and Mania, so I dont think thats sufficient time to have him win the title, build him up as a dominant champion, and then make the fans want to see him lose. Whereas I think if you were to walk out of Mania 32, you would have a year of him being the unbeatable champion, and between now and then you lay the foundation for the guy who unseat Lesnar.

I can agree with this.

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I like a guy like Ambrose, but just his look, I dont see him being the face of the franchise. Which is also why I dont think it would ever work out for Kevin Owens either. At the end of the day, he's a chunky dude from Montreal. I just dont see him being selected to carry the company. Reigns I still see having the inside track on that.

I might have to disagree here. I think with Owens, if he can 'lean out' somehow, then I think he'll have "the look." As it stands right now though, I think you're right. Owens will definitely have to lean out.


You probably are right with Ambrose, but I also think he's the type of guy that can 'catch fire' with the fans if he's pushed right (and soon as to avoid his character becoming too saturated).


Ambrose has the Foley craziness, Hall bad-assishness, and even a bit of Bryan underdoggedness in my opinion. At some point, Vince has to realize that it's not all about 'pretty boys.' I think the fans proved with Daniel Bryan that they are very open to different kinds of wrestlers who don't necessarily have the "body builder" physique.
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I think Vince is right about the physique thing. Not to say a smaller guy cant connect with the crowd (ie Daniel Bryan), but to really be the face of the company, I think you need a certain look.

Roman Reigns has it, Ambrose doesnt.
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Old 07-28-2015, 09:15 PM   #114
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Its easier for a smaller guy to connect with the crowd though since I would say most fans are not jacked.
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I think Vince is right about the physique thing. Not to say a smaller guy cant connect with the crowd (ie Daniel Bryan), but to really be the face of the company, I think you need a certain look.

Roman Reigns has it, Ambrose doesnt.
LOL, yeah, because goatees are so in right now.
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Ambrose doesn't look larger than life -- CyNick is right. But he does come off as being larger than life. Reigns looks the part but doesn't have the aura. That's why these two working together right now is doing both the world of good.
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Old 07-28-2015, 10:47 PM   #117
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Stone Cold Steve Austin didn't necessarily look larger than life, and I think Ambrose could get over in kind of the same vein. He reminds me of a mix of Austin/Foley.
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Oh, I think Ambrose should be pushed, but he clearly seems a lower priority than Reigns.
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Ziggler's win at Survivor Series was the perfect opportunity to smash him straight through that glass ceiling into a permanent main event position. I personally would have built him up after that to win the rumble (without Bryan even being in it) and face Lesnar at mania. Lesnar kills people in the ring, and Ziggler is a bump machine. Would have been a modern day HBK vs Vader.

Still think Ziggler has all the tools to be a top guy. Even "The guy". Will echo others and say that Ambrose could be another one. As much as I love Cesaro, I can't see him in that spot. The few people who have held that position have had massive amounts of natural charisma, and talking ability. Even if he improves I don't see him reaching that level. That said, I can still see him winning the title at some point. Just not as WWE's #1 talent.
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There's something missing with Ambrose for me to think of him as the guy who could lead the company and I don't know what it is.

I can easily understand why most guys like Cesaro can't be the guy. But Ambrose seems to hit all the checkmarks and still... there's something missing.
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