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Old 08-12-2015, 05:56 AM   #1
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People seem to think that Bret refused to lose because he was in Canada and it was his final night in WWE. Neither are true.

Bret refused to job to Shawn Michaels after Bret,as the champion, said to Shawn : I am willing to put your over clean, Shawn replied : I'm not willing to do the same for you.

Bret told this to Vince and then said I won't lose to the little fucker until he shows me some respect and puts me over first! - it had nothing to do with the home country thing. People are blurring the Hart Foundation storyline into the real reason.

Also, Bret still had about a month more left in his contract before he left. He was not leaving the same night - he was booked on raw and then all the way until 4th December. Montreal happened November 9th I believe.

This wasn't a case of politics (getting an unfair advantage or burying someone).
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Old 08-13-2015, 07:05 PM   #2
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MONTREAL :
People seem to think that Bret refused to lose because he was in Canada and it was his final night in WWE. Neither are true.

Bret refused to job to Shawn Michaels after Bret,as the champion, said to Shawn : I am willing to put your over clean, Shawn replied : I'm not willing to do the same for you.

Bret told this to Vince and then said I won't lose to the little fucker until he shows me some respect and puts me over first! - it had nothing to do with the home country thing. People are blurring the Hart Foundation storyline into the real reason.

Also, Bret still had about a month more left in his contract before he left. He was not leaving the same night - he was booked on raw and then all the way until 4th December. Montreal happened November 9th I believe.

This wasn't a case of politics (getting an unfair advantage or burying someone).
Why does Shawn have to show him respect?

Bret was leaving the company. The normal thing you do on your way out of a territory is you put over some guys who will be left to carry the ball. Bret decided he was going to pick and choose. To me thats not right. Its not like Vince asked him to put over Savio Vega or Doink, it was HBK.

Nash for all his criticism when he was leaving put over Taker and HBK strong. No fuss, and he still went on to be a bigger star in WCW than Bret was.

The whole thing about losing another night in another town makes no sense. The big match was built for Survivor Series, you cant have the guy who is leaving the territory go over on the big PPV match. It was a outrageous demand by Bret, and Vince was backed in a corned because of it.
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Old 08-14-2015, 06:33 AM   #3
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The whole thing about losing another night in another town makes no sense. The big match was built for Survivor Series, you cant have the guy who is leaving the territory go over on the big PPV match. It was a outrageous demand by Bret, and Vince was backed in a corned because of it.
He didn't want to go over, his suggestion was get out the match with a DQ (which had been done in two other PPV main events that year, so it wasn't an unprecedented request), lose the night before or lose it any other point between then and the December PPV, which was the original plan. The idea that Vince was backed into a corner was bullshit, and he only has himself to blame for being stupid enough to leave the title on a guy that he suggested sign with the other side, and allowing Bret the "reasonable creative control" clause in his deal that legally allowed him to veto something he felt could hurt him on the way out.

Again, Bret was clearly being difficult because he had a stick up his ass about Shawn, and that's really what it boils down to. But Vince's reaction was drastic and unnecessary, and on paper, completely retarded, because if he didn't want it announced the champion was leaving for fear of the damage it would do and the momentum it could give, this did just as much (in theory) to spotlight Bret, help WCW and hurt the WWF's image. It's a massive stroke of luck WCW ballsed it up and the Austin/Tyson element caught fire when it did, because December 1997 is a miserable month of television in the immediate fallout.
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Old 08-14-2015, 09:23 PM   #4
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He didn't want to go over, his suggestion was get out the match with a DQ (which had been done in two other PPV main events that year, so it wasn't an unprecedented request), lose the night before or lose it any other point between then and the December PPV, which was the original plan. The idea that Vince was backed into a corner was bullshit, and he only has himself to blame for being stupid enough to leave the title on a guy that he suggested sign with the other side, and allowing Bret the "reasonable creative control" clause in his deal that legally allowed him to veto something he felt could hurt him on the way out.

Again, Bret was clearly being difficult because he had a stick up his ass about Shawn, and that's really what it boils down to. But Vince's reaction was drastic and unnecessary, and on paper, completely retarded, because if he didn't want it announced the champion was leaving for fear of the damage it would do and the momentum it could give, this did just as much (in theory) to spotlight Bret, help WCW and hurt the WWF's image. It's a massive stroke of luck WCW ballsed it up and the Austin/Tyson element caught fire when it did, because December 1997 is a miserable month of television in the immediate fallout.
Perfect, a DQ on the headlining fight of one of the biggest cards of the year.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:02 AM   #5
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Perfect, a DQ on the headlining fight of one of the biggest cards of the year.
Hey, I agree, but thats the position Vince put himself in, and its not like he hadnt done a main event DQ in the first full priced In Your House 2 months prior. We can't pretend he isn't guilty of pulling a DQ finish when it suits, so its not exactly being backed into a corner.
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:45 AM   #6
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Nash for all his criticism when he was leaving put over Taker and HBK strong. No fuss, and he still went on to be a bigger star in WCW than Bret was.
It's crazy because if Nash didn't leave there wasn't going to be a streak.
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