can wade Barrett be saved?

[Jazzy Foot]

Originally Posted by NormanSmiley https://youtu.be/RjKFgZcpb6Y The clip hit home because that moment when cena beat nexus after the concrete ddt, I thought did harm to the product, creative and especially wade's career. Wade has the look and the mic skill to be a top guy but has been given jack shit to do, is there hope for him in your opinions? I got a good vibe from the trio of wade ,sheamus and russev al being foreign and can play legit tough characters beyond cartoonish bullshit. They cant drop the king gimmick fast enough though

I honestly feel all three of Barrett, Rusev and yes even Sheamus are beyond saving now. Take each one in turn:

- Barrett: He was unfortunate with injuries but with changing his gimmick so many times, I really have no idea what direction he's going in and I don't think WWE know either. The length of time he has now been in WWE I find it disappointing he has not been in the WWE/WHC picture nor has he had a reign. I can't see how he can be put into it given a pecking order appears to have developed: Lesnar again at some point, Cena will break Flair's record, Ambrose, Rollins if he can get his shit together, potentially Bray Wyatt, heck in a moment of lunacy should he return from injury they may even give Sting another shot or a run. The issue is with TNA pretty much nearing the end (it will be gone by the end of 2016 I think) where else would he go? ROH? The new GFW? Japan?

-Rusev. Allowing Rusev to lose to Cena at WM was the biggest mistake they could have made. Up to that point the character was interesting, parading as a Russian, rubbing it into American noses, unbeaten. He imo should have gone on a lengthy run potentially culminating in a WWE title reign. It might have reeked of Goldberg streak-esque but Goldberg was almost 20 years ago now. Since then the character and storylines are a joke. A perennial midcarder maybe the odd title shot if it's elimination chamber or something but nothing more.

-Sheamus. I hate the heel gimmick and stupid look and new music etc. The old music was so cool. Even with the briefcase I don't see him winning the title and if he does it wouldn't be for very long. I just sense he doesn't seem to be connecting with the fans this time around.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Jazzy Foot I honestly feel all three of Barrett, Rusev and yes even Sheamus are beyond saving now. Take each one in turn: - Barrett: He was unfortunate with injuries but with changing his gimmick so many times, I really have no idea what direction he's going in and I don't think WWE know either. The length of time he has now been in WWE I find it disappointing he has not been in the WWE/WHC picture nor has he had a reign. I can't see how he can be put into it given a pecking order appears to have developed: Lesnar again at some point, Cena will break Flair's record, Ambrose, Rollins if he can get his shit together, potentially Bray Wyatt, heck in a moment of lunacy should he return from injury they may even give Sting another shot or a run. The issue is with TNA pretty much nearing the end (it will be gone by the end of 2016 I think) where else would he go? ROH? The new GFW? Japan? -Rusev. Allowing Rusev to lose to Cena at WM was the biggest mistake they could have made. Up to that point the character was interesting, parading as a Russian, rubbing it into American noses, unbeaten. He imo should have gone on a lengthy run potentially culminating in a WWE title reign. It might have reeked of Goldberg streak-esque but Goldberg was almost 20 years ago now. Since then the character and storylines are a joke. A perennial midcarder maybe the odd title shot if it's elimination chamber or something but nothing more. -Sheamus. I hate the heel gimmick and stupid look and new music etc. The old music was so cool. Even with the briefcase I don't see him winning the title and if he does it wouldn't be for very long. I just sense he doesn't seem to be connecting with the fans this time around.

To summarize - everyone should have beat Cena and been the champ....at the same time!

[NormanSmiley]

Originally Posted by The CyNick To summarize - everyone should have beat Cena and been the champ....at the same time!

No homo cynick, but I adore you

[Blonde Moment]

Originally Posted by The CyNick To summarize - everyone should have beat Cena and been the champ....at the same time!

No but the way Cena beat themand how it was dealt with after words killed any momentum that they had. Every one of these men had something and due to the lack of ability of management to try anything different they are just there .

I kind of think part of the problem is that they stopped using enhancement talent to keep their talent "strong" and instead just use whomever doesn't have a story going at the moment in their place which in the long run cheapens them in the eyes of management and the fans.

The main brand no longer knows how to make stars or use talent effectively

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Fastway No but the way Cena beat themand how it was dealt with after words killed any momentum that they had. Every one of these men had something and due to the lack of ability of management to try anything different they are just there . I kind of think part of the problem is that they stopped using enhancement talent to keep their talent "strong" and instead just use whomever doesn't have a story going at the moment in their place which in the long run cheapens them in the eyes of management and the fans. The main brand no longer knows how to make stars or use talent effectively

Look I dont know how many of you guys are Euros, so maybe some of these guys hold a special place in your heart, but I dare anyone to watch all of these guys objectively.

None of them are better than the guys they are currently pushing hard (Rollins and Reigns mainly). Barrett has a cool schtick with the bad news thing. I really like him. But his game has holes. Outside of Britain, and the shows post Mania (which have a higher than normal % of Euros), he rarely holds a crowd for an entire match.

Rusev reached the top. This is another one of those examples where people complain about the US title not being important, and then dont realize that starting with Cena-Rusev its been a headlining title. If Cena beat Rusev for the WWE title instead of the US title at Mania, would that make you feel like Rusev reached the heights he should have hit? It happens in wrestling all the time. You go up to the top, you come down a bit, you move back up, and on and on. Foley is the perfect example of this. He worked Taker is semi main event programs for his first 6 months, then he went down the card, he came back up eventually, and went back down. Plus Rusev didnt help things by getting hurt (not that he did that intentionally just saying it didnt help) and now letting his dummy girlfriend screw up his career.

Sheamus. I dont know, I feel like he's a good talent. Has a lot going for him, seems to understand what it takes to be a star. They clearly have plans for him since they put MITB on him. We'll have to wait how to see how that plays out. I thought he was in need of a change as a babyface, but he's one of those guys like Orton who can go back and forth as needed.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Fastway No but the way Cena beat themand how it was dealt with after words killed any momentum that they had. Every one of these men had something and due to the lack of ability of management to try anything different they are just there . I kind of think part of the problem is that they stopped using enhancement talent to keep their talent "strong" and instead just use whomever doesn't have a story going at the moment in their place which in the long run cheapens them in the eyes of management and the fans. The main brand no longer knows how to make stars or use talent effectively

Is Brock Lesnar a star?

Are Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins stars?

[Blonde Moment]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Is Brock Lesnar a star? Are Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins stars?

Lesnar was a star with or without the WWe
Reigns was booed out of the Rumble and the main reason why Lesnar is a face at the moment. Seth Rollins, although awesome as all hell, is a paper champion that rarely wins and without the belt will be kicked down to midcard

[NormanSmiley]

There is something about them elevating guys to the title then not keeping them relevant that hurts the product. Swagger, khali, henry, sheamus, ziggler are all guys who held world titles who were zeros soon after. Being selective about your top slot is vital

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by NormanSmiley There is something about them elevating guys to the title then not keeping them relevant that hurts the product. Swagger, khali, henry, sheamus, ziggler are all guys who held world titles who were zeros soon after. Being selective about your top slot is vital

Different time. They had the joke second world title. Look at the champs since they put the titles back together. No jokes, all studs. The title means something to me now. More than at any point since HHH busted out the big gold belt in 2002.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Fastway Lesnar was a star with or without the WWe Reigns was booed out of the Rumble and the main reason why Lesnar is a face at the moment. Seth Rollins, although awesome as all hell, is a paper champion that rarely wins and without the belt will be kicked down to midcard

Lesnar was never at the level he is now in terms of wrestling. MMA Brock drew more PPVs, but in terms of wrestling, I think he's on a level he's never been to.


Rollins and Reigns are still stars though. Rollins will be headlining fir 10 years plus, unless he does sowing stupid.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Is Brock Lesnar a star?

Actually, yeah...he IS.