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Old 10-23-2015, 09:03 PM   #41
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But for an answer, I honestly hated both Rey Rey and Christian's runs... but Christian's more.

I liked both guys. I actually didn't dislike them becoming champion, either. I don't care that Rey didn't grow tall enough for the people who think billing height and weight is the same as actual height and weight. I hated the notion that they ONLY got a shot due to "sympathy reigns": that the company didn't see enough in either one of them *until* it was convenient to capitalize because of something else.

But Christian's second run was the worst. It was like the prototype of the worst parts of what's happening to Seth Rollins right now and the worst parts of CM Punk's last run all in one. He was made to look like a constantly complaining, can't even win WHILE cheating, "doesn't deserve to be there at all" douchebag. He deserved to be presented better.

And yes, though I hated the HHH "reign of terror" with a channel-changing, eye rolliing passion... and though I am a huge mark for Christian... I have to go with Christian edging out Hunter. No pun intended. I was sick of seeing HHH, but wish I could have seen better of Christian, because we all know it could have and should have been handled better... and had Edge not have to weigh permanent disability against more ringtime, he would have sadly never gotten the green light to begin with.
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Old 10-23-2015, 09:19 PM   #42
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Unrelated, but posting because of the comment about Rey being more charismatic than Chavo:

Being a Gurrerrero is the worst thing for Chavo's career. As talented a performer as he is, he was never going to get out of the shadow of Eddie, even if Eddie never died. He should have dropped off the radar, changed up his moveset, and been the first Sin Cara. I mean going total Curry Man here (yeah, we know Daniels is him, but he didn't wrestle the same under the mask). He could have gone really far if "nobody knew" it was him.
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Old 10-23-2015, 09:25 PM   #43
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I both love and hate Christian's run..

I love it in that Christian had the title and had some good matches/good feud with Randy Orton.

I hate it in that it ended way too early....


















Should still be going on.
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Old 10-24-2015, 12:24 AM   #44
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1 day was 1 day too long for Christian's title reign
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Lex Luger when he won it for the first time. Ric Flair was the real world champion and that poop with him and Barry Windham main eventing with Luger turning heel with Harley Race was fucking terrible. Can't stand Lex Luger. He's a real piece of poo.
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How do you feel about the Lex Express/Lex Luger paying Japan back for Pearl Harbor by bodyslamming Yokozuna?
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The power of USA #1 slammed that giant jap back in 1993. Lex was just the vessel used by God that day to beat the oriental fatass.
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Matt Hardy. No need to placate to North Carolina idiots. THey probably came in for free. EC3 was screwed. Now the title is vacant anyways.

He is no World Heavyweight Champion.
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Old 10-24-2015, 01:01 AM   #49
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1 day was 1 day too long for Christian's title reign
You think ADR should have won the belt so soon?
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Nah all of that "my destiny" shit was annoying.
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Old 10-24-2015, 05:20 AM   #51
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Big Show from Survivor Series '02 - whenever -- What fucking need was there to destroy all of a then very young and talented Lesnar?
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Great Khali was a worse champ than David Arquette
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I know JBL's reign is going to come up, and whomever agrees is retarded.
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Old 10-24-2015, 04:15 PM   #54
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I hate the 1999 HHH stuff, but upon further review I think we have to consider 1996 Shawn Michaels. His matches were superb and great to watch, but the character, feuds, storylines, and Jose Lothario were fucking brutal to even a hardcore fan like myself. I find 1996 WWF to be a historically relevant curiosity, but the HBK run has to be one of my least favorite for everything but his 5 or 6 PPV matches.
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I think the matches themselves should take it out of consideration. There were runs that had NO redeeming qualities. And I mean... at least there WAS a story behind his feuds. Yeah, having British Bulldog randomly pop up at the end of the PPV and say "SHAWN MICHAELS TRIED TO FUCK MY WIFE!" was a bit random and forced, but it was something.
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Lol just watched the raw replay that the feud got started on.
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I know JBL's reign is going to come up, and whomever agrees is retarded.
JBL would have been the last person to cross my mind. His reign was golden. The only bad thing about it was it ending to John Cena
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It was indeed stupid, because whether you consider Hennig World Champion Material or not, you knew he wasn't gonna win.
Not just that but back in the day I don't recall any hype to the match and given it was Goldberg's first title defence that should have been the case.

In any case Goldberg v Hogan SHOULD have been the main event at BATB i.e. 'Berg winning the title then.
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But at least Arquette was being used as a promotional tool for a movie. HHH was just eating up at around 45-50 minutes of tv on a 2 hour show every show to open, be peppered in, and close in the main event. Completely preventable overexposure at its finest.
Yeah the promotion really worked.

It was more the fact that by allowing Arquette to win it soiled what was such a coveted title in pro wrestling.


I would also argue Vince Russo holding the title albeit briefly was also one my most hated reigns.


The very worst would have been had Russo gone ahead with Tank Abbott becoming WHC. That guy as talented a UFC fighter he was, had absolutely no business in a pro-wrestling ring. He neither had the look, nor skills, no charisma, no likeability.....nothing. Why was he even there?
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* Triple H's 280-day World Heavyweight Title run after he beat Shawn Michaels -- which I suppose you can open up to his original World Heavyweight Title run, as well as his third between Goldberg and Chris Benoit, his fourth from -- well, actually all of his runs with the Big Gold Belt. Triple H ran through so many babyfaces, and left a lot of them looking worse -- Kane, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, Goldberg, Randy Orton -- this reign of terror was finally alleviated by Batista, but RAW was a chore during this era.

* The Great Khali's run with the World Title. I know you guys aren't the biggest fan of Kane, but he seemed like the logical stop-gap choice at the time. I understand the idea of being able to promote an Indian World Heavyweight Champion, but that doesn't mean you have to put it on Khali.

* Christian's World Heavyweight Title reign never got the legs it deserved. Maybe he wouldn't have worked as a top star, but I think him losing the title so soon (both times) impeded any chance he had of being a player in consequent years.

* Rey Mysterio's 2006 run was exploitative and made no sense.

* JBL's 280-day reign with the WWE Title. I was happy for Bradshaw to succeed, but this was just boring.

* John Cena's 280-day run with the WWE Title. I think I just hate 280 day reigns. I felt this presentation of Cena -- as the unbeatable hero -- is where Cena's relationship with hardcore audiences was tarnished -- something still lingering today. If Cena had been a more vulnerable act, he may have been an even broader demographic draw for the WWE. I've actually blocked the 380-day run he had from my mind.

* I've got to be honest, as much as I love him now, Chris Jericho's Undisputed Title reign was the shits. Jericho stood out in one promo with The Rock, but apart from that, he was presented in a way that made it seem like a small child could beat him. Sort of like Seth Rollins now. I've also always been fascinated as to why Chris Jericho chose to wear green tights in his WrestleMania title match. It seemed like an odd aesthetic choice for such a big match.

* The Undertaker's third World Heavyweight Title run. This cut the balls off CM Punk and felt like a sharp change in direction, and that didn't sit well with me at the time, as the Punk vs. Jeff Hardy stuff was really exciting.

* Sheamus' World Heavyweight Title run. Ugh. Right from the start this was riddled by miscalculations. It was the same approach the company took with John Cena's first WWE Title run, jammed Sheamus down our throats, he beat the wrong guys too many times, the 18-second win made Bryan and changed the climate in WWE completely, and by the end of it you had felt like you'd seen more than you could ever want of Sheamus. I still don't think he should have lost it to the Big Show though.
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They've done that a lot though in recent years. To be honest I'm surprised they kept the "heavyweight" at all when they introduced the new belt. Besides weight classes in wrestling are stupid. There isn't a light heavyweight, cruiserweight, etc division anymore so why should there be a heavyweight division? I'd honestly prefer they just call it the world title all the time truthfully.
They've dropped "Heavyweight" from the US and IC Titles (although Paul Heyman would try to sneak one in for Curtis Axel), but the World Heavyweight Title did legitimately get the "Heavyweight" dropped as soon as Rey Mysterio won the belt, and then placed back in there when he lost it.
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Old 10-25-2015, 09:30 AM   #63
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Lol God damn it, JBL's reign was amazing
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Old 10-25-2015, 09:44 AM   #64
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Lol God damn it, JBL's reign was amazing
It was, He did everything he was supposed to do to get you to hate his guts and just when you thought their might be something to like about him he made y ou hate him even more. It's a shame he hit his stride so late in his career because he could have been a legend.
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Old 10-25-2015, 11:08 AM   #65
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Old 10-25-2015, 02:35 PM   #66
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Carl is just the worst. JBL is the best heel in the company of the last 15 years.
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Old 10-25-2015, 02:39 PM   #67
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Lowest drawing too.

Funny thing is, to me JBL's reign is much, much better in hindsight. At the time you still had incredible people that were far more over than he ever was that hadn't sniffed the top title. Then there he was, all of a sudden, king of the hill. His promos were almost entirely cheap heat too, which soured me at the time. As good a promo as he was, it all felt so cheap.
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I pretty much agree with that. I couldn't buy JBL suddenly becoming good enough to be WWE Champion, or the sudden dropping of the beer-drinking, cigar-smoking ass-kicker. I found his style wasn't conducive to longer title matches at the time (not saying that he's a bad worker, just that I don't really want to see him in main event-style matches) and although he was a good talker, he never made me really care about a program.
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Lowest drawing too.

Funny thing is, to me JBL's reign is much, much better in hindsight. At the time you still had incredible people that were far more over than he ever was that hadn't sniffed the top title. Then there he was, all of a sudden, king of the hill. His promos were almost entirely cheap heat too, which soured me at the time. As good a promo as he was, it all felt so cheap.
The Smackdown roster was pretty thin by the tine JBL took over as champ.

Many wrestlers have said JBL was the last true heel in wrestling.

Workrate fags are just pissy because he beat Deadie Guerrero for the belt. I adore JBL.
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Lowest drawing too.

Funny thing is, to me JBL's reign is much, much better in hindsight. At the time you still had incredible people that were far more over than he ever was that hadn't sniffed the top title. Then there he was, all of a sudden, king of the hill. His promos were almost entirely cheap heat too, which soured me at the time. As good a promo as he was, it all felt so cheap.
That whole "cheap heat" thing is ridiculous. You're a heel. You want people to hate you. Say and do things to make people hate you.

Fuck cares how.
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Old 10-25-2015, 09:31 PM   #75
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Can't think of a serious main event heel over the past 15 years or so who hasn't gone for cheap heat. Moreso than I remember JBL doing, in fact.
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Given how little time his character was given to evolve, and how quickly he was rushed into the main event, I thought JBL was excellent. In no way, shape or form was he a cool heel. He wouldn't get cheered, or get chants. Just straight out boos.

It's not his fault they were short on heels. The way they've booked him is how they should book Rollins. Wins at any cost and avoids comeuppance. He also handed the belt over to the biggest star of the last ten years.
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JBL's character, especially at that time and with that roster, was a main event character. He needed to be thrown in the deep end rather than dicking around the midcard, and he fucking flourished, I think. Drawing doesn't hold as much water with him because it was the B show in the midst of the business' downturn. The Cabinet was great, and JBL did his job perfectly.
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JBL's reign one of the all time best

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Holy shit, I had no idea JBL would be such a dividing line.

The match quality aspect doesn't mean much to me, Rollins is a great guy in the ring, but the out of ring stuff sucks, and a big part of it is his fault. JBL's character was miles better, my problem is that the best stuff JBL did wasn't in his title run. The Eddie feud, post Mania Cena feud and the I Quit match, the One Night Stand appearance, the US Title stuff, etc.

For his actual title reign, he had a horrible feud with Undertaker in which no good matches or great promos occured, a feud with Booker I don't remember one thing about, and the horrible Big Show feud, including a particularly horrendous Smackdown episode based around Joy Giovanni being kidnapped.

The cheap heat I bring up because I love cheap heat in wrestling, but during these feuds in particular, it was all cheap heat, and nothing else to it. I agree it doesn't matter how you get them to hate you as long as you do, but it didn't lead to any great heated moments during his title run at all, so it's for nothing. He may have done a good job with it being so rushed, but that rushed aspect is impossible to ignore.

This may have to be an agree to disagree - I like JBL, but not his title reign. At all.




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JBL had loads of great promos. With him channeling Ronald Reagan as he hobbled down to the ring from his various injuries.

It was morning again on Smackdown!
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