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Old 11-10-2015, 10:13 AM   #1
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And as far as "burying guys" being the right move. If you bury people, what good does beating anyone that is buried do for anyone? That is wrestling 101 CyNick. Come on, an all knowing god such as yourself should know these things
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:00 AM   #2
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And as far as "burying guys" being the right move. If you bury people, what good does beating anyone that is buried do for anyone? That is wrestling 101 CyNick. Come on, an all knowing god such as yourself should know these things
Sometimes it's necessary

At that time they had TONS of talent. They really didn't NEED anyone from WCW. All they needed was to put WCW on the shelf, brag about killing them off to show superiority, and organize their tape library for future profits. Any bonus money from a WWF V WCW on air program was bonus. Which they got from the Invasion PPV.

But this idea that a faction of guys led by guys like Lance Storm should do anything but go under is absurd to me. Like who would you have had go over Austin (inagine he was represting WWF) to establish WCW? There's nobody close to making sense in that side.

The reality is the war was won long before Mania 17. The fans knew that.
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Old 11-10-2015, 04:22 PM   #3
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Sometimes it's necessary

At that time they had TONS of talent. They really didn't NEED anyone from WCW. All they needed was to put WCW on the shelf, brag about killing them off to show superiority, and organize their tape library for future profits. Any bonus money from a WWF V WCW on air program was bonus. Which they got from the Invasion PPV.

But this idea that a faction of guys led by guys like Lance Storm should do anything but go under is absurd to me. Like who would you have had go over Austin (inagine he was represting WWF) to establish WCW? There's nobody close to making sense in that side.

The reality is the war was won long before Mania 17. The fans knew that.
The angle clearly didn't work out for them because it ate shit. If you're just going to bury a bunch of guys then don't do the angle. There's lots of ways around how everything went other than just putting Lance Storm over Steve Austin clean, it just required some outside of the box thinking. Fact is, the product has never had the same amount of steam since, and it's really hard to argue that. I mean I'm sure you will, but it's not really debatable. X7 really was the apex. Vince lost his edge afterwards
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Old 11-10-2015, 04:40 PM   #4
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The angle clearly didn't work out for them because it ate shit. If you're just going to bury a bunch of guys then don't do the angle. There's lots of ways around how everything went other than just putting Lance Storm over Steve Austin clean, it just required some outside of the box thinking. Fact is, the product has never had the same amount of steam since, and it's really hard to argue that. I mean I'm sure you will, but it's not really debatable. X7 really was the apex. Vince lost his edge afterwards
I don't think he lost any booking prowess. I think what happened is somewhere along the way he decided it was best to move the company in a more kid friendly direction. I mean if by having edge you mean he did the Satanism angles, Beaver Cleaver, and an angle centred around a man's penis being cut off, I'll take the stuff today thanks. At least I'm not embarrassed turning on the TV when its on.

The biggest difference to me is the performers were better and more importantly hungrier than most of the guys today. I've said this before but the Attitude Era was like having the 70s Montreal Canadiens and saying the coaching was superior. No, it's that the players were a bunch of hall of famers, which is nearly impossible to replicate. Look at the roster at WM 17 and look at the talent today and tell me the roster today is just as good.

The angles themselves, really not much different then compared to today. It's just now we don't have guys killing themselves with chairs and stupid falls, we don't have the bad language (which I admit i thought it was cool...of course I was 16 then), and we have girls being athletes rather than strip club wannabees. Maybe that was "edgy", but I'm an adult, I don't need my sports entertainment to be porn or a live action slasher flick.
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I don't think he lost any booking prowess. I think what happened is somewhere along the way he decided it was best to move the company in a more kid friendly direction. I mean if by having edge you mean he did the Satanism angles, Beaver Cleaver, and an angle centred around a man's penis being cut off, I'll take the stuff today thanks. At least I'm not embarrassed turning on the TV when its on.

The biggest difference to me is the performers were better and more importantly hungrier than most of the guys today. I've said this before but the Attitude Era was like having the 70s Montreal Canadiens and saying the coaching was superior. No, it's that the players were a bunch of hall of famers, which is nearly impossible to replicate. Look at the roster at WM 17 and look at the talent today and tell me the roster today is just as good.

The angles themselves, really not much different then compared to today. It's just now we don't have guys killing themselves with chairs and stupid falls, we don't have the bad language (which I admit i thought it was cool...of course I was 16 then), and we have girls being athletes rather than strip club wannabees. Maybe that was "edgy", but I'm an adult, I don't need my sports entertainment to be porn or a live action slasher flick.
I don't mean edge as in edgey, I mean edge as in competitive edge, intensity, ability to put on top notch television. A lot of the good stuff we saw in 2000/2001 etc.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:24 AM   #6
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I don't mean edge as in edgey, I mean edge as in competitive edge, intensity, ability to put on top notch television. A lot of the good stuff we saw in 2000/2001 etc.
There has been better stuff since then.
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There has been better stuff since then.
Mmm hmm.
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