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Old 11-13-2015, 10:01 PM   #1
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I see it as Wyatt isn't a guy people love to hate. I think a lot of the fans dig him. When he was doing that singing got the whole world in his hands, the crowd was singing with him. I think they purposely cut that of because they wanted to keep him heel. Eventually he will turn and likely start to win more.

Putting the title on Bray would be a complete change from their current direction (Reigns as the top guy). This is what I was talking about where you shouldn't change long term plans just because Seth got injured. They have a long term plan in place, and have been planting seeds to get there. You shouldn't tear up the whole garden because of one weed.

I don't know how long the Bray-Taker thing will last. I'm guessing at least a couple months. If that's Takers match for Mania, maybe Bray will get a win over him at Rumble and then Mania will be an underdog stoty for Taker. Maybe this culminates with Taker losing to Bray at Mania. Or maybe Bray loses a hard fought battle and shakes his hand. Maybe it's just for Taker to get some wins and look credible again for something bigger at Mania.

Either way, Bray is talented, he will still be over.
I'm sceptical as to how a face Wyatt would be perceived or even work. When I say love to hate I mean in the sense that he is a heel yes but we cheer for him be it the sing a longs etc much like how we all cheered for the NWO back in the day.

I just feel that given Rollins was meant to be a more long-term champion, this would have been an ideal moment to give someone a brief moment in the spotlight i.e. someone who wasn't meant to figure in the main title picture at say WM 32.

For me the first pick would have been Sting as to quote what I said before, should he return from injury and wrestle again I feel (and I presume) he is "owed" for effectively jobbing twice and as wild as it may seem I don't think it is beyond the scope of impossibility to see him lift the title even at 56/57. Does he need a WWE title reign to his name? Not really, he will always be a legend, but we would sure like to remember his final days in wrestling and indeed his only WWE stint on a more positive note than by jobbing to both Triple H and Seth Rollins. However his neck may have the final say in that and frankly as a Sting fan I would rather he didn't get in the ring again if there is the risk of him sustaining serious/permanent injury to his health.

My second choice was the Undertaker. This would have seemed ridiculous given the beating he just took from Lesnar at HIAC. However, the whole SS event is being billed/hyped around the Undertaker and at the moment it seems the Undertaker is getting far more exposure than he has had in recent years. I can only assume that this is more or less "the last hurrah" or more appropriately "the last ride" for the Undertaker and he is very much on the road to retirement which will possibly end at WM 32. Thus in my opinion and given the unfortunate situation with Rollins, why not have allowed the Undertaker to take the limelight with one last WWE title reign at the event in which he made his debut? It could have involved him in a final round match with Wyatt etc so as to preserve their storyline even though they would have overlooked the SS elimination match? I just think it would have been a fitting tribute to the man but like Sting, another WWE title reign or lack of wouldn't have impacted on his legacy. I just felt it would have been a natural and fitting choice.


I honestly think it will come down to Reigns v Ambrose, an old fashioned face v face match and the winner shakes the losers hand or vice versa. No need for a heel turn or a twist at this stage. Just let Reigns and Ambrose put on a decent match and have them hold the belt going towards WM 32.


I say Ambrose wins the belt and drops it to Sting at WM 32.
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Old 11-14-2015, 05:01 PM   #2
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I'm sceptical as to how a face Wyatt would be perceived or even work. When I say love to hate I mean in the sense that he is a heel yes but we cheer for him be it the sing a longs etc much like how we all cheered for the NWO back in the day.

I just feel that given Rollins was meant to be a more long-term champion, this would have been an ideal moment to give someone a brief moment in the spotlight i.e. someone who wasn't meant to figure in the main title picture at say WM 32.

For me the first pick would have been Sting as to quote what I said before, should he return from injury and wrestle again I feel (and I presume) he is "owed" for effectively jobbing twice and as wild as it may seem I don't think it is beyond the scope of impossibility to see him lift the title even at 56/57. Does he need a WWE title reign to his name? Not really, he will always be a legend, but we would sure like to remember his final days in wrestling and indeed his only WWE stint on a more positive note than by jobbing to both Triple H and Seth Rollins. However his neck may have the final say in that and frankly as a Sting fan I would rather he didn't get in the ring again if there is the risk of him sustaining serious/permanent injury to his health.

My second choice was the Undertaker. This would have seemed ridiculous given the beating he just took from Lesnar at HIAC. However, the whole SS event is being billed/hyped around the Undertaker and at the moment it seems the Undertaker is getting far more exposure than he has had in recent years. I can only assume that this is more or less "the last hurrah" or more appropriately "the last ride" for the Undertaker and he is very much on the road to retirement which will possibly end at WM 32. Thus in my opinion and given the unfortunate situation with Rollins, why not have allowed the Undertaker to take the limelight with one last WWE title reign at the event in which he made his debut? It could have involved him in a final round match with Wyatt etc so as to preserve their storyline even though they would have overlooked the SS elimination match? I just think it would have been a fitting tribute to the man but like Sting, another WWE title reign or lack of wouldn't have impacted on his legacy. I just felt it would have been a natural and fitting choice.


I honestly think it will come down to Reigns v Ambrose, an old fashioned face v face match and the winner shakes the losers hand or vice versa. No need for a heel turn or a twist at this stage. Just let Reigns and Ambrose put on a decent match and have them hold the belt going towards WM 32.


I say Ambrose wins the belt and drops it to Sting at WM 32.
Well who knows what the plans were, but sounds like Reigns was slated to take the strap at Survivor Series. This ultimately sucks for Rollins, because its 9 months where goes from making top guy money, to just living off his downside guarantee. That said, he avoids losing the title, and he likely gets a ready made storyline with Triple H to come back to. If he turns face, which I assume will be the plan, there will be money is him chasing whoever is the champ at the time.

Yeah we just dont see eye to eye on Sting. I've said before, my position on Sting is he's a legend in WCW folklore, but in the grand scheme of the business, I dont think he's as big as some people make him out to be. Plus at his age, I just dont think he should be beating any of the young lions WWE has. Could he get a win over another legend? Sure. But I dont see much value in a Sting title reign. He's not going on the road, so I just dont think you get much benefit.

Taker is far more logical, but I think the way the storyline went down to have him just be one sixteenth of a tournament, doesn't do the angle with the Wyatt's any justice. you could probably tell any last hurrah storyline with Taker at the Royal Rumble. Like he wants to win it, so he can fight for the title in front of his home state for what could be his last match. But he's pretty close to his expiry date, and I even think with the little amount he's worked this year, he's overexposed. I really think Taker is best utilized once or twice a year as a special attraction. That said, I understand why they wanted him around this year with the 25th anniversary. I just dont think he needs the title.

I think Reigns vs Ambrose with no turn is a fine ending. People on here will complain, but it continues on the upward trend of The Shield boys, and you could still have Ambrose-Reigns over a couple PPVs. The only problem there is Ambrose has already lost several times to Rollins, if he's used as the whipping boy for Reigns, it might hurt him. Ideally it would be best if they can keep both Ambrose and Reigns strong as babyfaces, then when Rollins comes back, they can swerve like he's still with The Authority, but he double crosses them, and you have The Shield back together as a babyface unit. That could lead to an eventual Triple Threat down the line.
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Old 11-14-2015, 05:37 PM   #3
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Well who knows what the plans were, but sounds like Reigns was slated to take the strap at Survivor Series. This ultimately sucks for Rollins, because its 9 months where goes from making top guy money, to just living off his downside guarantee. That said, he avoids losing the title, and he likely gets a ready made storyline with Triple H to come back to. If he turns face, which I assume will be the plan, there will be money is him chasing whoever is the champ at the time.

Yeah we just dont see eye to eye on Sting. I've said before, my position on Sting is he's a legend in WCW folklore, but in the grand scheme of the business, I dont think he's as big as some people make him out to be. Plus at his age, I just dont think he should be beating any of the young lions WWE has. Could he get a win over another legend? Sure. But I dont see much value in a Sting title reign. He's not going on the road, so I just dont think you get much benefit.

Taker is far more logical, but I think the way the storyline went down to have him just be one sixteenth of a tournament, doesn't do the angle with the Wyatt's any justice. you could probably tell any last hurrah storyline with Taker at the Royal Rumble. Like he wants to win it, so he can fight for the title in front of his home state for what could be his last match. But he's pretty close to his expiry date, and I even think with the little amount he's worked this year, he's overexposed. I really think Taker is best utilized once or twice a year as a special attraction. That said, I understand why they wanted him around this year with the 25th anniversary. I just dont think he needs the title.

I think Reigns vs Ambrose with no turn is a fine ending. People on here will complain, but it continues on the upward trend of The Shield boys, and you could still have Ambrose-Reigns over a couple PPVs. The only problem there is Ambrose has already lost several times to Rollins, if he's used as the whipping boy for Reigns, it might hurt him. Ideally it would be best if they can keep both Ambrose and Reigns strong as babyfaces, then when Rollins comes back, they can swerve like he's still with The Authority, but he double crosses them, and you have The Shield back together as a babyface unit. That could lead to an eventual Triple Threat down the line.
WRT Sting, I struggle to see the point in his WWE run without some kind of "high-point" i.e. a WM win, a couple of wins against top draw stars and/or a title reign. Yes it seems bizarre to give him the nod ahead of younger stars but in that respect those younger guys will still be around in 5-10 years whereas Sting may well be retired in less than a year. In any case any Sting or Undertaker title run wouldn't need to be a long-term run much in the vein of Hogan's final WWE title run. It would just be a case of giving either man that moment in the spotlight or very much a "thank you for everything you've done" and for them to kind of say "goodbye" whilst on top. In all honesty whilst I appreciate his age may well have impacted, it was always going to be impossible to drive forward any meaningful storyline involving Sting. Even the feud with Triple H I felt lacked the hype and backstory. Think about his feuds with the NWO, the baseball bat beatings, the mind games, the vignettes etc etc. We only really got a fraction of that. Had there been some kind of stipulation to the match too (e.g. Sting gains control of the WWE if he wins) that would have made it all the more enticing. Instead we just got "a match" which in parts felt badly timed, a pointless run out by the NWO and DX and then after the weeks of bad blood and feuding, they shake hands? WTF? Had Triple H won the match fair and square then fine a handshake is all well and good. But he won with the help of his DX buddies and a sledgehammer (even if it was no DQ). Not quite sure what direction they wanted to go in with Sting and whether there will be a final chapter to all this but frankly there are no real high points to take away other than he fought at WM 32 and in a WWE title match.


As a Sting fan I'd love nothing more than to see the man hold the WWE title. A man who for more than a decade was the top draw in WWE's rival company to come to them and be their champion. It cements his legacy although not winning the title wouldn't damage it.

Also I can't imagine that the current situation is going to be a "long-term" champion. I firmly believe Rollins was due to hold the title until at least WM 32 and if anything we were all getting into his title run/story.

I also echo my previous comment in that I find it hard to digest how they can have a WWE title tournament and not be including Cena and Lesnar who are easily to two biggest draws in the company. I've made it pretty clear my disdain for most of the new generation with the exception of Rollins, Ambrose and Wyatt and I think Cena v Lesnar for the title carries infinitely more weight than Owens v Reigns or Ziggler v Reigns etc.
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Old 11-14-2015, 05:46 PM   #4
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Lol when their is a title tournament for your vacant world title, all wrestlers should be looking to get into the tournament, that simple
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Lol when their is a title tournament for your vacant world title, all wrestlers should be looking to get into the tournament, that simple
The biggest uninjured stars. Sting understandable but Cena, Lesnar, Taker and Kane are available to some extent and Wyatt too and they've been overlooked for the likes of Neville, Owens and Kallisto.
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