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Old 11-19-2015, 09:45 AM   #1
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Funny can be main event, DB, Kurt Angle, Rock.
All those guys had a serious switch. Booker's serious switch is still funny
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:21 AM   #2
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If you're just going to put the belt back on Trips, what's the point? Booker T wasn't meant to be a long term headliner. He was just there to help give HHH more credibility.

If HHH was just going to get the belt back, this would essentially be like losing a non title match, which I thought you say kills a guys credibility.
I may be mistaken but the issue at hand was the way in which the story was told. Booker didn't have to win at Mania in a 1v1 match with HHH until they went the way they did (the racial undertones).

Would BT be on the level of Rock/Austin/Hogan? No, but not many are. Would a win have helped him to the level of HHH? Maybe.
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I may be mistaken but the issue at hand was the way in which the story was told. Booker didn't have to win at Mania in a 1v1 match with HHH until they went the way they did (the racial undertones).

Would BT be on the level of Rock/Austin/Hogan? No, but not many are. Would a win have helped him to the level of HHH? Maybe.
This. When Hunter looks a guy up and down and says "people like you don't beat people like me" and makes a comment about his nappy hair, and then beats the guy clean, you're like "oh. well...i guess he's...right?" its shitty story telling.

Like christian winning the title and losing it a week later was cool with me because of the story it told. I didn't care if he gave it to Randy a week later. The way the story was set up, Booker should have gone over. Doesn't matter if he drops the belt back at the next PPV, the story would have made much more sense.
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Old 11-19-2015, 01:30 PM   #4
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This. When Hunter looks a guy up and down and says "people like you don't beat people like me" and makes a comment about his nappy hair, and then beats the guy clean, you're like "oh. well...i guess he's...right?" its shitty story telling.

Like christian winning the title and losing it a week later was cool with me because of the story it told. I didn't care if he gave it to Randy a week later. The way the story was set up, Booker should have gone over. Doesn't matter if he drops the belt back at the next PPV, the story would have made much more sense.
So people like him can get people like us to slip on a banana peel, and take advantage, but ultimately the people like us will reign supreme. You're essentially just being a mark for a babyface winning at Mania. If the story ended with Hunter winning and being champ, all you've done is devalued the title by paying hit potato with it.
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So people like him can get people like us to slip on a banana peel, and take advantage, but ultimately the people like us will reign supreme. You're essentially just being a mark for a babyface winning at Mania. If the story ended with Hunter winning and being champ, all you've done is devalued the title by paying hit potato with it.
Lol oh dear god I love you. For all of the wrong reasons. You're like the girl I go back to even though she's no good for me. Ps. I likem heavy.
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Old 11-19-2015, 01:39 PM   #6
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Lol oh dear god I love you. For all of the wrong reasons. You're like the girl I go back to even though she's no good for me. Ps. I likem heavy.
Its he coming on to me? I'd be heavy for a girl.

Much like talking to a chick, I feel like you change the subject when I've made a point.
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So people like him can get people like us to slip on a banana peel, and take advantage, but ultimately the people like us will reign supreme. You're essentially just being a mark for a babyface winning at Mania. If the story ended with Hunter winning and being champ, all you've done is devalued the title by paying hit potato with it.
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Old 11-19-2015, 01:27 PM   #8
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I may be mistaken but the issue at hand was the way in which the story was told. Booker didn't have to win at Mania in a 1v1 match with HHH until they went the way they did (the racial undertones).

Would BT be on the level of Rock/Austin/Hogan? No, but not many are. Would a win have helped him to the level of HHH? Maybe.
I don't understand why they went with the racial tones. Again I'll bring up my disdain for the Reid Flair stuff on Monday. I think it comes off as low v brow. Gotta remember though, this was what 2003, they were coming off the horrific writing of The Attitude Era, so they probably thought it was edgy.

Still, I don't think that justifies putting Booker over Hunter. I just think the writers and Vince had a lapse in judgement as to how to get over the feud. Likely had something to do with Book being inferior to Hunter and WWE feeling they needed to do something extreme to get people behind Booker.
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I don't understand why they went with the racial tones. Again I'll bring up my disdain for the Reid Flair stuff on Monday. I think it comes off as low v brow. Gotta remember though, this was what 2003, they were coming off the horrific writing of The Attitude Era, so they probably thought it was edgy.

Still, I don't think that justifies putting Booker over Hunter. I just think the writers and Vince had a lapse in judgement as to how to get over the feud. Likely had something to do with Book being inferior to Hunter and WWE feeling they needed to do something extreme to get people behind Booker.
That is Fucking retarded. The book man was over. They just needed to push him as a plucky under dog. If he puts up a great effort and comes up short, it is what it is. Just shows how out of touch the bookers were even then.
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Old 11-19-2015, 01:35 PM   #10
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That is Fucking retarded. The book man was over. They just needed to push him as a plucky under dog. If he puts up a great effort and comes up short, it is what it is. Just shows how out of touch the bookers were even then.
I don't recall Booker being that over. I'm sure people wanted to see Hunter lose, because he was an effective heel. I recall RVD being more over than Booker. But it was over 10 years ago, I could be wrong.

Do you think Booker was a guy they should have gone with in 2003? Like what would be the money program that would have led to? With Hunter as champ you had Goldberg and then Benoit as major babyface challengers. Say Book goes over at 19, and Trips fades into the background, what's the big business that Booker T as champ is building towards?
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I don't recall Booker being that over. I'm sure people wanted to see Hunter lose, because he was an effective heel. I recall RVD being more over than Booker. But it was over 10 years ago, I could be wrong.

Do you think Booker was a guy they should have gone with in 2003? Like what would be the money program that would have led to? With Hunter as champ you had Goldberg and then Benoit as major babyface challengers. Say Book goes over at 19, and Trips fades into the background, what's the big business that Booker T as champ is building towards?
Lol you're so cute. You are arguing a point I'm not arguing. Booker was connecting big time with the fans. He was one of the hotter acts in the company thus him facing h at mania. Once again tho, all we've said is the way the angle was booked was awful and the finish was the cherry on top of the shit cake. They were the ones who booked themselves into a corner of poor storytelling, not us. Plus new champs and some outside of the box thinking can lead to good business. He definitely could have had a great feud with heel rock and possibly dropped the belt back to h after that. Who knows. Regardless, they wouldn't have killed book with a loss if they didn't book the whole shmoz so poorly.
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Old 11-19-2015, 01:44 PM   #12
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Lol you're so cute. You are arguing a point I'm not arguing. Booker was connecting big time with the fans. He was one of the hotter acts in the company thus him facing h at mania. Once again tho, all we've said is the way the angle was booked was awful and the finish was the cherry on top of the shit cake. They were the ones who booked themselves into a corner of poor storytelling, not us. Plus new champs and some outside of the box thinking can lead to good business. He definitely could have had a great feud with heel rock and possibly dropped the belt back to h after that. Who knows. Regardless, they wouldn't have killed book with a loss if they didn't book the whole shmoz so poorly.
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So if no racial undertones, it would have been okay if Hunter just beat him clean? Just trying to better understand your position.

I hear your point, but i just don't think it hurt Booker in the end, it's somethingthe IWC clings on to. He ended being exactly what I thought he would become. Solid upper mid card guy. It's not luke people stopped caring about him after he let down every black person in the wield by losing to white supremacist Triple H.
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Old 11-20-2015, 02:19 AM   #13
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I don't understand why they went with the racial tones. Again I'll bring up my disdain for the Reid Flair stuff on Monday. I think it comes off as low v brow. Gotta remember though, this was what 2003, they were coming off the horrific writing of The Attitude Era, so they probably thought it was edgy.

Still, I don't think that justifies putting Booker over Hunter. I just think the writers and Vince had a lapse in judgement as to how to get over the feud. Likely had something to do with Book being inferior to Hunter and WWE feeling they needed to do something extreme to get people behind Booker.
People were behind Booker long before they decided to go the to the racial thing all that did was make the conclusion to their feud that much more illogical.

You asked how highly we rate Booker t I seriously don't think Batista is or was as great as you think. On the mic he's still pretty average(his last go round was actually kinda terrible) you said him blowing up in Hollywood is all him no it isn't Leviathan from OVW wouldn't have gotten the call to be Drax the destroyer Batista from the WWE however... He isn't The Rock(who oozes charisma like crazy) I used DB as an example earlier because while he isn't strong on the mic he actually does have A weird charisma that connects with people. I don't recall Batista's following being especially strong. Was he over sure, but I wouldn't rate him too far up. Nothing sticks out about him in the ring either now that I think about it. all that said Kanyetista was amazing. This last time his clothes were the most interesting and over thing about him (I'm not even joking)
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Old 11-23-2015, 09:40 AM   #14
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People were behind Booker long before they decided to go the to the racial thing all that did was make the conclusion to their feud that much more illogical.

You asked how highly we rate Booker t I seriously don't think Batista is or was as great as you think. On the mic he's still pretty average(his last go round was actually kinda terrible) you said him blowing up in Hollywood is all him no it isn't Leviathan from OVW wouldn't have gotten the call to be Drax the destroyer Batista from the WWE however... He isn't The Rock(who oozes charisma like crazy) I used DB as an example earlier because while he isn't strong on the mic he actually does have A weird charisma that connects with people. I don't recall Batista's following being especially strong. Was he over sure, but I wouldn't rate him too far up. Nothing sticks out about him in the ring either now that I think about it. all that said Kanyetista was amazing. This last time his clothes were the most interesting and over thing about him (I'm not even joking)
Watch the set up for Mania and let me know if you think he was over.

I can't really argue the Booker v Batista point, it's a matter of opinion. To me, if I saw Booker T and Batista walk into a room and was told I could only pick one to headline fir the next several years, I would pick Bats every day of the week. He looks like a larger than life badass. Booker looks like a pro wrestler. Even though I think Booker is entertaining and is really good at what he does. I just don't think he screams headliner.
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I can't really argue the Booker v Batista point, it's a matter of opinion. To me, if I saw Booker T and Batista walk into a room and was told I could only pick one to headline fir the next several years, I would pick Bats every day of the week.
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All those guys had a serious switch. Booker's serious switch is still funny
I would've loved for Santino to win the Rumble and go to WM. Just Sayin.

He's always goofy but he was shown to have a case of crouching moron hidden badass at several points don't see why booker couldn't have been the same way.
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