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Old 11-23-2015, 07:48 PM   #1
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I watch because it's the best game in town.

Sorry, maybe I should watch those shows in gyms with 40 people in the crowd.
What does that have to do with anything? Obviously WWE's presentation is superior, but that's meaningless compared to the core elements like writing, booking, and talent. Three things a small indy company can pull off just as well as WWE with the right people involved.

I suppose you only watch the NFL because they have a dancing CG robot in between plays.
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Old 11-24-2015, 10:53 AM   #2
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What does that have to do with anything? Obviously WWE's presentation is superior, but that's meaningless compared to the core elements like writing, booking, and talent. Three things a small indy company can pull off just as well as WWE with the right people involved.

I suppose you only watch the NFL because they have a dancing CG robot in between plays.
Possibly the dumbest thing i've ever read on the Internet.

If other companies were superior in booking and character development to WWE they would be more successful than WWE. the market determines who is the best.
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Old 11-24-2015, 12:13 PM   #3
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It really doesn't anymore. The WWE brand far outweighs anything else that happens and they have been coasting on it for years. The lack of competition simply means that enough effort isn't being put in.

I too watch WWE because it is the best game in town, it is established and it is the big league, but that doesn't automatically mean that it is always entertaining, and right now, it just isn't.

That tournament could not have been any more uneventful and boring and it was on one of their biggest shows of the year.
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Old 11-24-2015, 01:10 PM   #4
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It really doesn't anymore. The WWE brand far outweighs anything else that happens and they have been coasting on it for years. The lack of competition simply means that enough effort isn't being put in.

I too watch WWE because it is the best game in town, it is established and it is the big league, but that doesn't automatically mean that it is always entertaining, and right now, it just isn't.

That tournament could not have been any more uneventful and boring and it was on one of their biggest shows of the year.
If something else was more entertaining, people would watch. Fact is nothing else is as good as WWE. No doubt it would be difficult for an upstart group to get on WWEs level, but if there was another group that was doing it better, they would eventually overtake WWE.

I never said it's always entertaining. RAW is 3 hours, not every minute is riveting. For me is far more good than bad, hence the reason I watch week in and week out. If I didn't like it and still watched every week, I would be a moron.
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Old 11-24-2015, 03:58 PM   #5
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If something else was more entertaining, people would watch. Fact is nothing else is as good as WWE. No doubt it would be difficult for an upstart group to get on WWEs level, but if there was another group that was doing it better, they would eventually overtake WWE.

I never said it's always entertaining. RAW is 3 hours, not every minute is riveting. For me is far more good than bad, hence the reason I watch week in and week out. If I didn't like it and still watched every week, I would be a moron.
I actually get where you are coming from and find your point of view really interesting, but I think the only thing you don't get is that people watch because they WANT it to be better.

It is possible to love wrestling and love WWE and not like the current product. It is like a sports team, I don't stop supporting them because they are sucking.

It's not the exact same thing, but there is a parallel there. I don't want to watch 30 guys huddled round in a gym either, so I want to watch the big company, the one with all the know how, production, its own network etc... the one which has been so good in the past. I want them to be better, so I can enjoy it again like I have done in the past for so many years.
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Old 11-24-2015, 12:27 PM   #6
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Possibly the dumbest thing i've ever read on the Internet.

If other companies were superior in booking and character development to WWE they would be more successful than WWE. the market determines who is the best.
I think the last two sentences contradict themselves.
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Old 11-24-2015, 01:10 PM   #7
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I think the last two sentences contradict themselves.
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Old 11-27-2015, 06:37 PM   #8
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You said that if a company with better booking came along, the WWE would be replaced. Then you stated that the market dictates success. I think Shadrick's point is that there is a dichotomy between your product-based view and your market-based one.

Does a movie studio decide which movies get a wide release and huge promotional campaign, or does the independent film director?
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:53 PM   #9
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You said that if a company with better booking came along, the WWE would be replaced. Then you stated that the market dictates success. I think Shadrick's point is that there is a dichotomy between your product-based view and your market-based one.

Does a movie studio decide which movies get a wide release and huge promotional campaign, or does the independent film director?
If the Independent film director makes an epic film, it will get noticed. The Director will be green lighted to make future films for larger studios. The market will dictate if that Director is really any good.

Take a group like ROH. I believe they have some type of TV clearance. If they were doing really well, a bigger station would pick them up, or the existing network would give them a better TV slot. Eventually they would grow and grow. WCW has been gone since 2001, and in reality no other group has really made any noise. Maybe you could argue TNA to a small degree, but they are hanging on by a thread and if not for a company with deep pockets, they would have been done long ago. Nobody other than Vince can figure out the formula to make this thing work.
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Old 11-24-2015, 03:23 PM   #10
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Possibly the dumbest thing i've ever read on the Internet.

If other companies were superior in booking and character development to WWE they would be more successful than WWE. the market determines who is the best.
You're right . I don't know what I was thinking.

Well, see you later guys. I'm off to McDonalds to get the best burger in the world.
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You're right . I don't know what I was thinking.

Well, see you later guys. I'm off to McDonalds to get the best burger in the world.
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