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Old 12-09-2015, 11:26 PM   #1
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I'm sure you like CM Punk and buy into his own hype, but he never reached the level HHH did, so I have no problem with HHH going over Punk because H is the bigger star.

If you look at the Mania plans for that year, that was heading into the Taker-HHH Hell in a Cell Match. You need HHH to be strong for that. That was the period where it could be argued The Streak was the biggest thing on the show, bigger than the title. I believe that was also the show with Cena-Rock, so at best Punk was going to be in the #3 hole.

So yeah, from a pecking order standpoint, it made perfect sense. The loss didnt hurt Punk in the slightest.
Why is it you think that anytime HHH wins we lose our shit?This isn't hard to understand, when it makes sense for him to win you won't hear a peep from all but the most anti of HHH fans. But the situations we've all pointed to it makes NO sense that he walked away with a victory that does not equate to "we never want him to win a match because he is wrestling's Satan " And as for HHH v Taker no one wanted to see that as it had been done already(didn't mean much then and meant nothing now and HHH isn't on the level of an HBK v Taker or Sting v Taker.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:34 PM   #2
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Why is it you think that anytime HHH wins we lose our shit?This isn't hard to understand, when it makes sense for him to win you won't hear a peep from all but the most anti of HHH fans. But the situations we've all pointed to it makes NO sense that he walked away with a victory that does not equate to "we never want him to win a match because he is wrestling's Satan " And as for HHH v Taker no one wanted to see that as it had been done already(didn't mean much then and meant nothing now and HHH isn't on the level of an HBK v Taker or Sting v Taker.
Did you actually see HHH vs Taker? Crowd seemed to enjoy it. Mania did a big buyrate.

Curious to see where you got your "no one wanted to see that" information from.

I just explained why HHH beating Punk made sense. #2 match participant beats #3 match participant.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:19 AM   #3
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I just explained why HHH beating Punk made sense. #2 match participant beats #3 match participant.
So wait, with the exception of Cena, no current main event guys can beat the previous generations main event guys?

Yeah, that will help get new talent over with the crowd and over the hump.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:30 AM   #4
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So wait, with the exception of Cena, no current main event guys can beat the previous generations main event guys?

Yeah, that will help get new talent over with the crowd and over the hump.
I may need to learn another language to help get my point across.

WWE had a Mania card. HHH was in a more high profile match than Punk. Therefore you should keep the semi main as strong as possible. That meant HHH over Punk.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:45 AM   #5
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I may need to learn another language to help get my point across.

WWE had a Mania card. HHH was in a more high profile match than Punk. Therefore you should keep the semi main as strong as possible. That meant HHH over Punk.
You're telling me a legend like HHH going up against another legend like Undertaker at the company's biggest show of the year wouldn't have been enough of a draw? HHH needed to go over CM Punk (who was probably the second biggest star in the company at the time) prior otherwise the HHH v. Taker match wouldn't have been any good?

What does that say not only about Vince & co. beliefs in HHH and Undertaker being able to build to a match and ability to draw? As I have a tremendous respect for HHH, Taker and Punk, I happen to think that HHH vs Undertaker would've been just fine had HHH lost to someone on the same level as Punk prior. If HHH really needed that victory to help keep the Mania card as strong as possible, that's probably not a good thing.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:57 AM   #6
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You're telling me a legend like HHH going up against another legend like Undertaker at the company's biggest show of the year wouldn't have been enough of a draw? HHH needed to go over CM Punk (who was probably the second biggest star in the company at the time) prior otherwise the HHH v. Taker match wouldn't have been any good?

What does that say not only about Vince & co. beliefs in HHH and Undertaker being able to build to a match and ability to draw? As I have a tremendous respect for HHH, Taker and Punk, I happen to think that HHH vs Undertaker would've been just fine had HHH lost to someone on the same level as Punk prior. If HHH really needed that victory to help keep the Mania card as strong as possible, that's probably not a good thing.
Its a debate that I'm sure was had internally.

Traditional booking would state you want the guys in your top matches to be strong heading into the big show. Especially in this case when Taker had already beat HHH the year prior. HHH was working a limited schedule, so if his big matches for the year were constant losses, it hurts his credibility.

Vince had tons of faith in HHH and Taker, that's why they were positioned ahead of Punk on the show and why HHH went over Punk.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:35 AM   #7
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Did you actually see HHH vs Taker? Crowd seemed to enjoy it. Mania did a big buyrate.
Yea they came to see Taker fight HHH again not John Cena facing the The Rock for the first time lol.

big byrate all thanks to HHH.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:33 AM   #8
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Yea they came to see Taker fight HHH again not John Cena facing the The Rock for the first time lol.

big byrate all thanks to HHH.
Where did I say it was all thanks to HHH?

In fact I explicitly pointed out he was in the #2 match on the show. Of course Rock-Cena was the bigger draw. But more than one match contributes to the buyrate. HHH-Taker was a big part of the success.
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Where did I say it was all thanks to HHH?
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Did you actually see HHH vs Taker? Crowd seemed to enjoy it. Mania did a big buyrate.
Certainly you can see how misleading that last statement could be.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:58 AM   #10
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Certainly you can see how misleading that last statement could be.
Honestly only a moron would equate that to saying it was ALL HHH.
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