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Old 12-10-2015, 07:16 AM   #481
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First, HHH had lost multiple matches prior to The Sting match. You can only take so many consecutive losses before you lose shine.

Second, the storyline with Rollins was HHH is like having Tom Brady as a mentor. You are trying to live up to someone who has achieved everything there is to achieve. If HHH had lost to Sting, and Rollins beat Sting, you are telling a different story. HHH isnt Tom Brady, he's like Phillip Rivers, good, but not great. So, great, Rollins can beat someone who is above average. Thats not nearly as effective as him beating someone who is presented as a true legend.

Third, Sting wasnt going to be around. If Sting was scheduled to work 6 months, and go on the road, sure it would make sense. But he was never going to do that.
I have no idea who Tom Brady or Phillip Rivers are, but a single loss to the biggest babyface in the history of WCW is not going to make Triple H go from GOAT to meh. You seem to not place any value at all on Sting, so please explain the genius reasoning behind bringing him in at all.

HHH goes over strong on TV every week, it doesn't matter that he loses his Mania moment because it doesn't change that he's in charge and he usually gets the upper hand and his losses don't even matter. He's not an active wrestler, he doesn't need to win matches or even wrestle to get shine. That makes about as much sense as when they kept putting Cole over Lawler and then that was the end of that dumb commentator feud, no pay off for the babyface and all that heel build for nothing.
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Old 12-10-2015, 09:28 AM   #482
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What you meant to say was "I lost another round".
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Old 12-10-2015, 09:30 AM   #483
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So wait, with the exception of Cena, no current main event guys can beat the previous generations main event guys?

Yeah, that will help get new talent over with the crowd and over the hump.
I may need to learn another language to help get my point across.

WWE had a Mania card. HHH was in a more high profile match than Punk. Therefore you should keep the semi main as strong as possible. That meant HHH over Punk.
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Old 12-10-2015, 09:33 AM   #484
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Yea they came to see Taker fight HHH again not John Cena facing the The Rock for the first time lol.

big byrate all thanks to HHH.
Where did I say it was all thanks to HHH?

In fact I explicitly pointed out he was in the #2 match on the show. Of course Rock-Cena was the bigger draw. But more than one match contributes to the buyrate. HHH-Taker was a big part of the success.
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Old 12-10-2015, 09:45 AM   #485
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I may need to learn another language to help get my point across.

WWE had a Mania card. HHH was in a more high profile match than Punk. Therefore you should keep the semi main as strong as possible. That meant HHH over Punk.
You're telling me a legend like HHH going up against another legend like Undertaker at the company's biggest show of the year wouldn't have been enough of a draw? HHH needed to go over CM Punk (who was probably the second biggest star in the company at the time) prior otherwise the HHH v. Taker match wouldn't have been any good?

What does that say not only about Vince & co. beliefs in HHH and Undertaker being able to build to a match and ability to draw? As I have a tremendous respect for HHH, Taker and Punk, I happen to think that HHH vs Undertaker would've been just fine had HHH lost to someone on the same level as Punk prior. If HHH really needed that victory to help keep the Mania card as strong as possible, that's probably not a good thing.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:32 AM   #486
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The reason why the WrestleMania 30 buyrate was so low was because HHH lost to Curtis Axel back in June.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:47 AM   #487
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The reason why the WrestleMania 30 buyrate was so low was because HHH lost to Curtis Axel back in June.
Exactly! If HHH hadn't lost to Axel that one time on RAW, HHH's status as a legend and drawing power would've been secure and WM30 would've been way more successful.

It had nothing to do with the predictability of the likely outcome of the main event after WWE backed themselves into a corner creatively with Bryan, the lack of CM Punk, etc.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:54 AM   #488
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Where did I say it was all thanks to HHH?
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Did you actually see HHH vs Taker? Crowd seemed to enjoy it. Mania did a big buyrate.
Certainly you can see how misleading that last statement could be.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:57 AM   #489
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You're telling me a legend like HHH going up against another legend like Undertaker at the company's biggest show of the year wouldn't have been enough of a draw? HHH needed to go over CM Punk (who was probably the second biggest star in the company at the time) prior otherwise the HHH v. Taker match wouldn't have been any good?

What does that say not only about Vince & co. beliefs in HHH and Undertaker being able to build to a match and ability to draw? As I have a tremendous respect for HHH, Taker and Punk, I happen to think that HHH vs Undertaker would've been just fine had HHH lost to someone on the same level as Punk prior. If HHH really needed that victory to help keep the Mania card as strong as possible, that's probably not a good thing.
Its a debate that I'm sure was had internally.

Traditional booking would state you want the guys in your top matches to be strong heading into the big show. Especially in this case when Taker had already beat HHH the year prior. HHH was working a limited schedule, so if his big matches for the year were constant losses, it hurts his credibility.

Vince had tons of faith in HHH and Taker, that's why they were positioned ahead of Punk on the show and why HHH went over Punk.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:58 AM   #490
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Certainly you can see how misleading that last statement could be.
Honestly only a moron would equate that to saying it was ALL HHH.
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So exactly what was that line meant to convey? If you're not trying to tie buyrate into the match, why mention buyrate?
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:56 AM   #492
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To be fair to HHH, CM Punk loses to all returning legends.
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CM Punk will come back to job to Sting.
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Old 12-10-2015, 12:39 PM   #494
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I'm sure you like CM Punk and buy into his own hype, but he never reached the level HHH did
That's because even though he held the title for as long as he did, with perhaps his feud with Cena, Punk was never really given those same great types of well written, intense and often personal feuds/story lines that helped put guys like Foley, HHH, Angle, Rock and Austin over the top.

Partly because for most of his run, only Cena was on Punk's level from a full-time active competitor (with exceptions of the occasional returning legend or authority figure) to feud with, which is because the writing/booking was and has been so horrendous that not many new stars were on the same level as Punk for him to feud with. The other part is even if the talent was occasionally on the same level to feud with Punk, most of the time, the writing and booking was so inadequate that neither Punk nor who he was feuding with got any real benefit from it.

Compare guys like Austin, HHH, Foley, Rock, Angle, etc. going over one another and building each other up, as well as guys like Taker, Kane, Jericho, Vince, etc. Not that Punk reached their level, but Punk was never given the same opportunity and chances to shine that those guys repeatedly were given. Sure Punk may have been given a long title run but in terms of quality of writing, booking, etc., Punk never stood a chance to get over the hump. Much like guys like Reigns, Wyatt, etc. are struggling with today.
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:58 PM   #495
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So exactly what was that line meant to convey? If you're not trying to tie buyrate into the match, why mention buyrate?
It was a good build involving a stip people cared about, with characters that were over, so I believe it helped draw the number. It wasn't the sole factor or even the biggest fair, but it was a factor. Much bigger factor than Punk's contribution to the show.
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:11 PM   #496
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I feel Punk/Taker was a bigger draw for its Mania than HHH/Taker was for its. .
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The reason why the Mania 30 buyrate was so low was because HHH lost to Curtis Axel back in June.
Your damn right, Axel should have been in Bryans spot.
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I feel Punk/Taker was a bigger draw for its Mania than HHH/Taker was for its. .
For me I never thought Taker would lose to Punk, with HHH I thought there was a chance.
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Regarding the Triple H thing Cynick you pretty much did what Fox News does to it's viewers that is you made it seem like you were drawing correlation between events (HHH v Taker) without actually saying it then when I filled in the blanks you turned around and said you never actually said Triple H v Taker was the reason for the buyrate even though its implied in your wording then you say one would have to be a moron to get HHH v Taker= $ from what you wrote.
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Regarding the Triple H thing Cynick you pretty much did what Fox News does to it's viewers that is you made it seem like you were drawing correlation between events (HHH v Taker) without actually saying it then when I filled in the blanks you turned around and said you never actually said Triple H v Taker was the reason for the buyrate even though its implied in your wording then you say one would have to be a moron to get HHH v Taker= $ from what you wrote.
I honestly dont know how to help you man. If you got me literally listing out the Mania matches and putting Taker-HHH as NUMBER TWO and then claiming I was trying to say HHH-Taker was the sole or main reason for the number. Like I said, I cant help ya brotha.
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This place has a bunch of egg on their face after the last couple days. Looks good on ya.

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Wait... If everything was stellar before then tonight was nothing special, right? Just another stellar night of TV. Pretty sure CyNick just fucked up...
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Amazing how near the entire board has pointed out consistent fuckery on WWE's end, yet they manage two decently entertaining segments on back to back nights and all of a sudden it's egg on our faces and everything's great and blah blah blah spin spin spin.
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Yeah, taking two successful nights that everybody will gladly admit were good and claiming that as a victory for the last five rotten ass months doesn't really work.

The rating should be up given Vince returns, career stip and a WWE Title change and a generally better show throughout, we shall see.




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Old 12-15-2015, 08:59 AM   #507
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Nope. CyNick was right all along. One good Raw, and yeah, WWE is back on track! Get ready for another boom period guys. WWE put on one good show and we were all wrong.
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lol why does anybody think CyNick is actually being serious with any of these posts? it's rather blatant trolling and pretty brilliant at that.
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I've said that a number of times, but some times ya just can't help but get caught up in it. Serious business and all that.
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lol why does anybody think CyNick is actually being serious with any of these posts? it's rather blatant trolling and pretty brilliant at that.
isn't the point of trolling to get emotional reactions from people by talking shit without them realizing it? Most people are aware he's purposefully doing it (I think, admittedly I've only been aware of him since this thread) Given the amount of time he's spent replying in here compared to the amount of people taking him seriously/actually "biting", homeboy needs to step up his game
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now if he'd have trolled Nashvember, he may have had some serious success
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isn't the point of trolling to get emotional reactions from people by talking shit without them realizing it? Most people are aware he's purposefully doing it (I think, admittedly I've only been aware of him since this thread) Given the amount of time he's spent replying in here compared to the amount of people taking him seriously/actually "biting", homeboy needs to step up his game
Sometimes it's hard to tell in these parts. Initially I felt he may have been an actual WWE fanboy who stands behind everything that the company does. But the more I've read here the more I'm thinking some people actually think he's a real person lol.

This thread and the "Raw lowest rating since 2012" thread are where I've found most of the arguments.
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Old 12-15-2015, 10:22 AM   #514
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now if he'd have trolled Nashvember, he may have had some serious success
Anybody who trolls Nashvember deserves to have a "kick me" sign permanently stapled to the back of their neck. And there should be no legal reprecussions for anybody who chooses to kick, punch, or really assault said person in any way.
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:59 PM   #515
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Poe's Law. It's been mentioned before. You know people like CyNick exist. Not just for WWE specifically but for pretty much any subject you can think of. As ridiculous as he comes off, he could actually be a legitimate apologist who believes the things he says. Though granted, his reactions after Raw (and most recent Raws actually) have been pretty "out there".

He does literally just ignore the more inconvenient and damning points though which makes it seem like he really is for real. If he's gonna troll and come up with insane rationalizations, he might as well do it for everything since it doesn't have to make sense even in his mind. The sidestepping of certain things seems more from someone who genuinely needs to believe this shit and when they can't come up with a rationalization, they avoid it. If you're trolling, making up a rationalization for anything is never a problem. The worse it is, the better.
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If anyone needs a damn fine example of top heel trolling, look no further the Gertner. Some of his runs have been epic and, like any great heel, have truth. That's how it's done.
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Old 12-15-2015, 02:32 PM   #517
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lol why does anybody think CyNick is actually being serious with any of these posts? it's rather blatant trolling and pretty brilliant at that.
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isn't the point of trolling to get emotional reactions from people by talking shit without them realizing it? Most people are aware he's purposefully doing it (I think, admittedly I've only been aware of him since this thread) Given the amount of time he's spent replying in here compared to the amount of people taking him seriously/actually "biting", homeboy needs to step up his game
What's this "trolling" that you people are all speaking of?
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This place has a bunch of egg on their face after the last couple days. Looks good on ya.

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If anyone needs a damn fine example of top heel trolling, look no further the Gertner. Some of his runs have been epic and, like any great heel, have truth. That's how it's done.
Yeah fucking Gerty was for real and his arguments actually had some umph even if we didn't agree with him.
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Poe's Law. It's been mentioned before.
I believe it was the great Gorgeous Dale Newstead who referenced said law.

Fact is, if he's just taking a stance ONLY to play devil's advocate he's still taking the stance. He could be "trolling" all he wants but how are we supposed to know. It's a discussion forum so we'll discuss his points with him.
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