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Old 12-10-2015, 01:58 PM   #1
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The fan report I mentioned was a FIRST HAND ACCOUNT. The guy claimed he was at the show and reported what the crowd responded to. Dirt Sheetz would get a quote from that guys 2nd cousin's pool guy, who overheard the 2nd cousin talking to someone else and saying the show was not very good, even though he didn't see it.
So the guy with the photographs of people leaving before the main event and his claims that there were very few people left in the crowd for the main event Reigns segment and even fewer who actually seemed entertained by it, his opinion doesn't carry as much weight. If so, why? Is it because it fits into your own personal narrative and bias that the product is good and we're all wrong?

I tend to find the guy with the photographic support to be more credible and put more weight behind his first hand observations as he has photographic evidence to support it.

That's the problem. We don't care that you enjoy the current product. Have fun. Enjoy away.

It's your marginalization that those of us that aren't enjoying and are critical of the quality of the product, that we are some small, insignificant portion of the viewing audience so our opinions and the facts we back them up with (like lower ratings and live attendance figures) aren't credible or relevant.
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Old 12-10-2015, 02:33 PM   #2
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So the guy with the photographs of people leaving before the main event and his claims that there were very few people left in the crowd for the main event Reigns segment and even fewer who actually seemed entertained by it, his opinion doesn't carry as much weight. If so, why? Is it because it fits into your own personal narrative and bias that the product is good and we're all wrong?

I tend to find the guy with the photographic support to be more credible and put more weight behind his first hand observations as he has photographic evidence to support it.

That's the problem. We don't care that you enjoy the current product. Have fun. Enjoy away.

It's your marginalization that those of us that aren't enjoying and are critical of the quality of the product, that we are some small, insignificant portion of the viewing audience so our opinions and the facts we back them up with (like lower ratings and live attendance figures) aren't credible or relevant.
Everything is relevant to varying degrees.

I watched RAW, I heard the crowd pop for Reigns' promo. I heard multiple tater tot chants, which tells me the fans were with him. That was confirmed by the dude who provided the live report.

That said, I also saw the photo of a few fans leaving. So clearly some fans didnt care for the final segment. But we already knew a segment of the fanbase is determined to reject Reigns as a headliner. Just like those same fans who show up to every arena to chant Cena Sucks.

Devil is in the detail. You said "very few people were left in the arena". For that to be true if they had say 8000 in the building to open the show, i would say you need to have at least 3/4 of the fans to leave. I don't think that one image of one part of one section tells that story.

The problem is you guys who think the product sucks refuse to look at the aspects of the business that are doing well. Ratings are important, but if RAWs audience is declining at a slower rate than the rest of the prime time shows on USA its likely a by product of changing behaviour vs definite decline in intetest. Especially when you look at their numbers on social media and VOD, which are through the roof.
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:11 PM   #3
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The problem is you guys who think the product sucks refuse to look at the aspects of the business that are doing well.
Because we don't care about their financials

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Ratings are important, but if RAWs audience is declining at a slower rate than the rest of the prime time shows on USA its likely a by product of changing behaviour vs definite decline in intetest. Especially when you look at their numbers on social media and VOD, which are through the roof.
Their main event segment on youtube has a little over a million views, that is not "through the roof"
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:52 PM   #4
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Because we don't care about their financials


Their main event segment on youtube has a little over a million views, that is not "through the roof"
But you care about their ratings. Okay.


I forget the stat off the top of my head, but I believe they have one of the most popular You Tube channels in the world. That's through the roof success.
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Old 12-13-2015, 03:41 AM   #5
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Especially when you look at their numbers on social media and VOD, which are through the roof.
Also we find out later that cynick didnt even look at their numbers
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