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[#1-norm-fan]

The whole "You can't hate it if you follow it!" thing is the apologist way of defending the product against people who think it's shit when there is no other defense.

Dale hit the nail on the head. I have a love and passion for the wrestling business. When things are really bad, I'm gonna mention it. I tend to just look up results and watch clips of anything that seems watchable nowadays. I'm not gonna completely abandon it because I like the business and want to keep following it and hoping that it picks back up at some point.

If you wanna do a point-counterpoint, we can do that all day. When you fail at that and fall back on "Well if it's so bad, why do you care!?" you're pretty much showing everyone how little of an actual defense you have to hold on to. It's a reach.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan The whole "You can't hate it if you follow it!" thing is the apologist way of defending the product against people who think it's shit when there is no other defense. Dale hit the nail on the head. I have a love and passion for the wrestling business. When things are really bad, I'm gonna mention it. I tend to just look up results and watch clips of anything that seems watchable nowadays. I'm not gonna completely abandon it because I like the business and want to keep following it and hoping that it picks back up at some point. If you wanna do a point-counterpoint, we can do that all day. When you fail at that and fall back on "Well if it's so bad, why do you care!?" you're pretty much showing everyone how little of an actual defense you have to hold on to. It's a reach.

To be honest, if he actually really wanted to focus on the product without resorting to diversion tactics in his argument, there would be great discussions about his feelings on the product.

But instead we're stuck with him feeding his own weird agenda.

You want to see some great convos? Check out most arguments with Gertner when he wanted to talk wrestling. He hated most of the internet heroes and yet there were some great threads talking about the product with him. Sure he can be bombastic with the rest of them, but he clearly knew more about what he was talking about than Nick.